FF definately kills movie SW. So i'm sure EU fans will argue for Force Storms etc.. I don't think that any Starwars people can time travel or enter alternate realities. So i'm still on Ultimecia winning via Time Compression.
"Cloud Strife could take on the entire Jedi council in a pure sword fight. "
I don't know about swordplay. That's questionable. But, I do know in terms of power, Cloud would defeat all of them."
That isn't questionable. If Cloud could keep up with Sephy boy even after fighting Kadaj, the summoned dragon in the movie and fighting the two brothers before he faced Sephy, then yes, he could fight all of the Jedi council in an even match. Not only Cloud has superior strength, but he can incredible amount of speed, reflexes and agility to keep up with sephy during that fight scene in the collapsing building. They were jumping around like Yoda, fighting each other during the fall of the derbies of the building.
That isn't questionable. If Cloud could keep up with Sephy boy even after fighting Kadaj, the summoned dragon in the movie and fighting the two brothers before he faced Sephy, then yes, he could fight all of the Jedi council in an even match. Not only Cloud has superior strength, but he can incredible amount of speed, reflexes and agility to keep up with sephy during that fight scene in the collapsing building. They were jumping around like Yoda, fighting each other during the fall of the derbies of the building.
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I saw the movie. I know what happened. However, I doubt his swordplay can top Mace Windu's.
"Jedi can increase their speed with the force cloud shouldnt be all that much faster then them."
But by how much? So far, they still can't beat Cloud in pure speed. You guys know how fast Sephy boy is, right? Cloud could match sephy boy in a pure sword fight evenly. While you guys say Sephy can beat any of them easily, you are contradicting your self by saying Cloud can't beat any of them.
"What? And you think if Cloud can't beat him in swordplay, then Sephy boy doesn't stand a chance? Get real! "
I'm not talking about Sephiroth. He has nothing to do with it. I just don't think Cloud will top the best Jedi swordsman. I can't get real if I'm being real with you already.
But we are indirectly talking about Sephy boy. The fact that Cloud has faced him evenly, all out says allot. Mace is one of the best. Is the best. But do you seriously think, Cloud who has beaten Sephy boy on occasions would lose to Mace?
"What? And you think if Cloud can't beat him in swordplay, then Sephy boy doesn't stand a chance? Get real! "
I'm not talking about Sephiroth. He has nothing to do with it. I just don't think Cloud will top the best Jedi swordsman. I can't get real if I'm being real with you already."
"But we are indirectly talking about Sephy boy. The fact that Cloud has faced him evenly, all out says allot. Mace is one of the best. Is the best. But do you seriously think, Cloud who has beaten Sephy boy on occasions would lose to Mace? "
He beat Sephiroth through the use of Materia and other things. Not just swordplay. I'm talking strictly swordplay here. Cloud doesn't stand a chance. And, no. I'm not talking about Sephiroth, you are.
"But we are indirectly talking about Sephy boy. The fact that Cloud has faced him evenly, all out says allot. Mace is one of the best. Is the best. But do you seriously think, Cloud who has beaten Sephy boy on occasions would lose to Mace? "
He beat Sephiroth through the use of Materia and other things. Not just swordplay. I'm talking strictly swordplay here. Cloud doesn't stand a chance. And, no. I'm not talking about Sephiroth, you are."
If you look at the movie, he faced Seph is a direct sword play without any materia. He wanted to fight on his own. He beat him using that technique. And i am talking about Seph because you are underestimating Cloud. I am comparing Cloud to Seph.
"If you look at the movie, he faced Seph is a direct sword play without any materia. He wanted to fight on his own. He beat him using that technique. And i am talking about Seph because you are underestimating Cloud. I am comparing Cloud to Seph."
Yeah, I'm underestimating Cloud. Why? Because Mace has more experience through swordplay than he does. He's been at it longer. Cloud is how? 20 something. Mace is older, wiser, more experienced in his art and better. And that lightsaber would cut that little Buster Sword to pieces. Mace has the advantage because with his lightsaber, he can attack faster than Cloud (who's Buster Sword is heavier). So, I don't really care if Cloud beat Sephiroth. He ain't beating Mace. And you want to assume that I'm saying the same for Sephiroth, go ahead.
Heavy?! You say Cloud can't pick that up because it's too big and heavy?! Cloud picks that sword up like it's a stick a five year old can pick up. And it's not heavy for him because he is an enhanced human. He is far stronger, agile, better reflex then Mace no matter how much he enhances his strength through the force. If Cloud can't even pick up that "heavy" sword as you say, he would have easily lost to Seph long ago. They shouldn't have even bothered to make the game in the first place. And you say that Mace has more experience because of his age? Look at Batman. He fought against Ras Al' Ghur and the guy is like 500 years old, and still beat him. Look at Seph. He is far younger then Mace, does that mean Mace is a better swordsmen then Seph? Experience doesn't have anything to do with it.
This is the younger version of Seph years ago. And Older version of Cloud OWNS the younger version. Let me ask you something. Could Mace beat this younger version of Seph? Or Genesis?
Yeah, I'm underestimating Cloud. Why? Because Mace has more experience through swordplay than he does. He's been at it longer.
I don't think this is a factor. A lot of people in fiction have overcame their old masters at young ages.
And that lightsaber would cut that little Buster Sword to pieces.
Possible. I wouldn't be too sure though. Sephiroth's blade cuts rocks, steel, etc.. like butter and Cloud was able to block and parry his sword. I seem to remember that the Lightsabers having trouble cutting through walls.
Mace has the advantage because with his lightsaber, he can attack faster than Cloud (who's Buster Sword is heavier).
Thats not necessarily true. Gutts from berserk swings his giant sword faster than people who use rapiers. This is all relative to the wielder's strength.
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