@reikai:
There's nothing to suggest that he can't, either.
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No Earth means no humans regardless of what you may say so unless you can show me an Earth in Star Wars those "Humans" are simply a human-like species called humans. Chances of us existing as we are right now are very small and become next to impossible without the conditions that created us. Suspension of Disbelief requires that we believe everything in the universe is the same as ours unless otherwise specified. As they have no Earth nor any reference to it, Star Wars Humans are simply a race that is similar to humans but are not human.
From a cosmic perspective, humans are humans, and they mean nothing.@reikai:
There's nothing to suggest that he can't, either.
No Earth =/= no humans. It's Fiction. That logic doesn't work. And it's not "what I say" It's what is Official for the Star Wars Universe. And what makes you think there is no Earth in Star Wars? Pretty much every movie starts with "A long, long time ago In a Galaxy Far, Far away" which would mean we're in the Same Universe, but these events are transpiring in another galaxy separate from our own.No Earth means no humans regardless of what you may say
Do you not know what Suspension of Disbelief is reikai? It is the rules by which we view fiction. Suspension of Disbelief says that Star Wars Humans are not Humans because Humans are a race developed on Earth. No Earth = No Humans. Official Star Wars Universe can call there ducks ducks all they want but unless there is an Earth, they are not. Are we a space faring race and I don't know it? Last I heard we had only made it to the moon not across an entire galaxy. So suffice it to say, these humans are just called humans and are similar to humans but in fact are not humans.
@DireDrill said:
Do you not know what Suspension of Disbelief is reikai? It is the rules by which we view fiction. Suspension of Disbelief says that Star Wars Humans are not Humans because Humans are a race developed on Earth. No Earth = No Humans. Official Star Wars Universe can call there ducks ducks all they want but unless there is an Earth, they are not. Are we a space faring race and I don't know it? Last I heard we had only made it to the moon not across an entire galaxy. So suffice it to say, these humans are just called humans and are similar to humans but in fact are not humans.
There are those in the Star Wars universe with intergalactic space travel, they could have taken a massive bunch of humans and dumped them in the main Star Wars galaxy. There is far more evidence for humans in Star Wars being human than there is for them not being human.
Do you have a scan of them doing this? Do you have any proof that an intergalactic space faring race picked up some humans and transported them to the Star Wars Galaxy? Nope? Occam's Razor and Suspension of Disbelief both say that Humans in Star Wars are not the same as Humans from Star Trek.
As far as the Star Wars people being actual Earthling Humans... nah. They can try to retcon it in any way they like, but this is simply George Lucas not really thinking this thing through. Long Long Ago in a Galaxy Far Far away you would have had all kinds of weirdos with different numbers of limbs, but no possible way of there being actual humans there. He shoulda just set it in this galaxy, actually. So Luke and them are not technically Human although they look pretty close. My issue would be the DNA. Even on Earth, two creatures that developed separately (or from a common ancestor, but sufficiently separated) from one another cannot mate cause their DNA doesn't match. How could random beings in another galaxy magically have our exact same DNA? Don't EVEN get me started on the mating habits in Star Trek. 1) wouldn't work (the DNA thing) and 2) at that point it's really the same as doing it with any other non humnan.. yuck
@CitizenBane: @JediXMan: And then the Anti-Monitor comes and eats the Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr who and Mass Effect universes all for breakfast LOL!
Empire stomps this....
More destructive weapons, better shielding, faster means of transport (very important for logistical purposes),
Not to mention Vader and Sidious could likely turn back any ground offensive by the Trek soldiers pretty easily.
Actually been stated that Rakata enslaved many species and displaced them among various worlds throughout the galaxy. Reason why people of the same species ended up on different worlds even when they themselves didn't have space travel until much, much later.Do you have a scan of them doing this? Do you have any proof that an intergalactic space faring race picked up some humans and transported them to the Star Wars Galaxy? Nope? Occam's Razor and Suspension of Disbelief both say that Humans in Star Wars are not the same as Humans from Star Trek.
And then Nabeshin blows him up with dynamite because Explosions Fix Everything.@CitizenBane: @JediXMan: And then the Anti-Monitor comes and eats the Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr who and Mass Effect universes all for breakfast LOL!
@DireDrill said:
Do you not know what Suspension of Disbelief is reikai? It is the rules by which we view fiction. Suspension of Disbelief says that Star Wars Humans are not Humans because Humans are a race developed on Earth. No Earth = No Humans. Official Star Wars Universe can call there ducks ducks all they want but unless there is an Earth, they are not. Are we a space faring race and I don't know it? Last I heard we had only made it to the moon not across an entire galaxy. So suffice it to say, these humans are just called humans and are similar to humans but in fact are not humans.
That is not what suspension of disbelief means. Suspension of Disbelief means that, in order to truly appreciate the entertainment value of something, we must first temporarily put aside the fact that it is merely a story we are being told and accept it as a reality. It's what allows us to to actually care about what happens to the characters. If anything, Suspension of Disbelief is what will tell us those character are human...despite that they did not evolve on Earth.
Occam's Razor actually suggests that the simplest explanation for something is the right one. Occam's razor will say that if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...it's probably a duck. Same would apply to humans.
@reikai said:
@JohnnyZ256 said:From a cosmic perspective, humans are humans, and they mean nothing.@reikai:
There's nothing to suggest that he can't, either.
@DireDrill said:No Earth =/= no humans. It's Fiction. That logic doesn't work. And it's not "what I say" It's what is Official for the Star Wars Universe. And what makes you think there is no Earth in Star Wars? Pretty much every movie starts with "A long, long time ago In a Galaxy Far, Far away" which would mean we're in the Same Universe, but these events are transpiring in another galaxy separate from our own.No Earth means no humans regardless of what you may say
Who in Star Wars can stand up to Q, the Thasians, the Metron, the Organians, the Prophets, the Pah-Wraiths, the Douwd, Trelane's parents, the Nagilum, the Melkotians, Korob and Sylvia, the Companion, the caretaker, or Gorgon?
@Inphase said:
@DireDrill: We are the SAME SPECIES. Doesn't matter what they are called or what planet they come from, as long as its similar to earth which there are plenty of planets like that in SW. Humans in SW have the exact same biological make up of you and me.
It's worth mentioning that there was a cancelled Star Wars novel that showed the fate of Earth. Look up Alien Exodus.
@Betatesthighlander1 said:
Who in Star Wars can stand up to Q, the Thasians, the Metron, the Organians, the Prophets, the Pah-Wraiths, the Douwd, Trelane's parents, the Nagilum, the Melkotians, Korob and Sylvia, the Companion, the caretaker, or Gorgon?
This thread states purely Empire vs Federation.
@Shawnbaby said:
@DireDrill said:
Do you not know what Suspension of Disbelief is reikai? It is the rules by which we view fiction. Suspension of Disbelief says that Star Wars Humans are not Humans because Humans are a race developed on Earth. No Earth = No Humans. Official Star Wars Universe can call there ducks ducks all they want but unless there is an Earth, they are not. Are we a space faring race and I don't know it? Last I heard we had only made it to the moon not across an entire galaxy. So suffice it to say, these humans are just called humans and are similar to humans but in fact are not humans.
That is not what suspension of disbelief means. Suspension of Disbelief means that, in order to truly appreciate the entertainment value of something, we must first temporarily put aside the fact that it is merely a story we are being told and accept it as a reality. It's what allows us to to actually care about what happens to the characters. If anything, Suspension of Disbelief is what will tell us those character are human...despite that they did not evolve on Earth.
Occam's Razor actually suggests that the simplest explanation for something is the right one. Occam's razor will say that if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...it's probably a duck. Same would apply to humans.
You are wrong here, my assessment is correct. Suspension of Disbelief, as I have applied it, is the basis for the idea that Star Wars ships fire multi-gigaton shots because before someone applied real world physics to an ISD shooting an asteroid, there was no consensus on just how powerful something was. Everything in the Star Wars universe is exactly the same as ours so long as it has not been indicated that it is not. The chances that we even exist to have this conversation are ridiculous, the chances that a race that is exactly like us developed in another universe is even more ridiculous bordering on the impossible.Your understanding of Suspension of Disbelief is an oversimplification of the concept.
Occam's Razor or the Parsimony Principle suggests that the simplest explanation given available information is generally true. If I told you that it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, but is from a different planet would you still say it was a duck? Your usage of Occam's Razor is a popular misconception as it is an oversimplification of it.
If you were a normal everyday citizen of Metropolis, you would think that Clark Kent was a human too. He outwardly professes to be human, looks human, sounds human, and does pretty much everything a Human does but when it comes down to it Clark Kent is a Kryptonian. See, until someone tells you that Clark Kent is Superman, Suspension of Disbelief would require that you believe he is human.
Sorry @reikai, but you used the word Galaxy and this takes place in a galaxy far far away. So the chances of the Rakata stealing humans from a planet in a galaxy far far away is pretty limited. Also, since we have no idea when Star Wars takes place, it may take place before we even evolved into being. Good try though.
Again, you can't prove a negative but I have yet to see any positive proof that Star Wars Humans are Human. Anyone got any? Being called human and looking like a human is not enough.If I told you that I was God, what would be the first thing you would say? Prove it. You would look at me quite incredulously if I said prove I am not.
@JediXMan said:
@Inphase said:
@DireDrill: We are the SAME SPECIES. Doesn't matter what they are called or what planet they come from, as long as its similar to earth which there are plenty of planets like that in SW. Humans in SW have the exact same biological make up of you and me.
It's worth mentioning that there was a cancelled Star Wars novel that showed the fate of Earth. Look up Alien Exodus.
@Betatesthighlander1 said:
Who in Star Wars can stand up to Q, the Thasians, the Metron, the Organians, the Prophets, the Pah-Wraiths, the Douwd, Trelane's parents, the Nagilum, the Melkotians, Korob and Sylvia, the Companion, the caretaker, or Gorgon?
This thread states purely Empire vs Federation.
Cancelled and Canon are two different things.
While the others are not possible, the Prophets are technically a Federation entity.
@DireDrill: so, does the Federation get prophets and Space-Jesus Sisko?
because if they do I'm thinking the Federation takes this.
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