SSJ4 Goku VS Bills

It makes sense.

Bills said that Just somone with God power on GOKUS POWER LVL can hurt him.

Supreme Kai and the other kais aren't Strong and not REAL gods.

Bills is the REAL God.

Ssj God Golu becomes a real God too.

Toriyama said Bills is The strongest enemy he ever faced?

In Gt they are saying that Omega Shenron is the strongrest they ever faced.

It don't intererst me if BOG is 2 years ago and GT 13 Years. The time lime IN THE SERIES is important.

Ssj4 wins agains bills. No way bils wins against ssj4 goku

Bills is strongest of Z

Omega Shenron strongest of GT.

and GT Stomps Z verse.

Bills loses 100%.

I just can't see SSJG being that much more powerful than SSJ4 Goku from GT. Consider that Beerus got the smack down laid upon him by Vegeta in his SSJ2 Form. Somehow, Vegeta surpassed SSJ3 Goku, Mystic Gohan, Super Ultimate Buuhan, SSJ Vegitto and Goku SSJ4 in GT?

Goku in Gt has 10 years+ of hard training over himself in DBZ Buu Saga. Are you guys really saying that SSJ2 Vegeta surpassed SSJ4 Goku after many years of training and also ascending for a fouth time...AFTER all that training. Essentially, Goku in GT did what Vegeta did in Battle of Gods, training so hard for so long that he shattered previous forms. Goku in GT was in my opinion far beyond Vegeta in Battle of Gods.

I think SSJ4 Goku would put a whoopin' on Lord Beerus so badly that he would consider dropping his God status so he can start training and raising his own Ki abilities.

This collapses your entire argument. Beerus was completely unfazed by Vegeta's blitz, he didn't even have a scratch on him once all was said and done and Vegeta wasn't holding back at all. All he did was draw blood from him once, is that really enough to say Beerus got beat up by him. Plus when Beerus decided he'd had enough from Vegeta's interference he put him down in one move.

The only thing this thread proves is that we need a rematch in a sequel movie. Maxed out GT Goku at highest form with max level vs. Bills.

Now GT SSJ4 Gogeta vs Bills. That is one fight where Bills is at a disadvantage lol.

@micah: wouldnt say it shuts the argument down completely, Beerus was shocked, harmed and totally beaten in speed, he couldnt block, couldnt defend. Vegeta outclassed him in striking and speed, but not in durability. I'm trying to make sense of something that doesnt make sense to begin with, like we all are here lol.

@michaeljulius: That "smack down" he laid on Beerus was WIS. Vegeta just needed spotlight.

I hear you. My thing is Vegeta took Beerus by surprise mainly. I don't even think he was attempting to fight back or block since he appeared to just be in shock at Vegeta's powerboost. And even after Vegeta attacked with an offensive flurry, and hit him point black with a non held back energy attack, Beerus was completely unfazed. Heck so far he hasn't been harmed in a real sense at all. At the moment we just need a rematch between the two which I'm sure well get later down the road.

Bills should abs would win sure ssj4 is sting ( and non canon) but ssg is stronger and it's canon replacement

After going back watching some GT, I'm gonna say Beerus.

Let me end this debate once and for all. BoG was made after GT and also interferes with GT's story. How so? Ssj3 goku was stronger than Buu. Bills knocked Ssj3 goku with one finger. Ssj god goku fought Bills almost as an equal. Adding that goku always keeps training, By the time GT arrived goku should be able to knock rildo out with one finger or less. So... Bottom line is: BoG alters GT story. So comparing 2 characters from those two timelines is stupid. But, if you want to anyways Bills would beat Ssj4 goku of the GT timeline. If goku went Ssj4 taking in to account BoG, Ssj4 could have a better chance. This is knowing what we can at the moment. Who knows what will happen in the new movie or in the non-offcially announced New DBZ series.

Goku own him with chopsticks

How can ss4 goku possibly win? In the movie Bills clearly states "You spend all that time training energy that is useless against a deity like myself."(something close to that). Ss4 does not use god energy, therefore ss4 goku cannot even harm Bills. Also, even when goku became a deity he was still completely incapable of beating him, Bills only used 70% of his power to beat him. This proves that this shouldn't even be a debate in the first place. If Bills wasn't a deity than maybe ss4 goku would have a chance, but he is a deity so there is no chance ss4 goku can win.

Bills...

@sheenlantern: how about smashing through a solar system worth of planets in 3-4 seconds max...better than anything gt even managed to hint at...

bills

Beerus speedblitz or serious Beerus just taps Goku's head and .... BOOM!

SSG Goku is superior to SS4 based on feats and scaling to Beerus. And Beerus comfortably defeated the former.

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@pope052: Vegito > ssj4...guide book states this...and goku said fusion couldnt stop bills ..also goku said god power was a level of strength he could never achieve on his own...he got ssj4 on his own...pretty sure god beats 4 by any logic...I mean...the word god is in it...bills stomps

Beerus curbstomps

Ssj4 gogeta blinks, beerus gets scared

Beerus.

Wow GT was the worst thing to happen to dragon ball...so much hype and scaling but if anything GT was a lot weaker than goku in BOG...gokus god buff instantly wipes out any training goku did from buu til GT...he harnessed that power in his Base form...he can super saiyan 1, 2 or 3 while using god power...and bills would pimp slap that...bills wins

@ghostrider2: your obviously a non Gt fan,Gt has more emotional and beautiful music. Ssj4 Goku did not struggle with that building it was when he was in base, but he didn't need Ssj4 to lift he just wanted to go all out to save the city. Ssj4 holds the greatest lifting feat. He lifted half a city.

@ghostrider2: he did lift it it was when he was in base,as a Ssj4 he lifted half a city too, you guys need to learn your Gt or stop being biased.

What i said 2 years ago applies.

@pope052: if this was ssj4 gt goku beerus stomp hard but this an hypnotical match between post God chi absorbe ssj4 traind goku so it's impossible to know if he can beat him or not it's anyone gues mine will be goku wins in this scenario but it's steel a featles character

@ghostrider2: this is done. But Ssj4 Goku never lost to a building rewatch Gt, it was base goku. Base Z Goku struggled with 40 tons,and he's supposed to be a planet buster, base gt goku shadow dragon saga struggled with a building a multi galaxy buster dragonball is inconsistent man.

Beerus farts and accidentally destroys GTverse.

@sheenlantern: i remember when people called beerus bills until revival of f came out which confirmed beerus is his name but anyway beerus should win here but ssj4 goku would put up a good fight and he would make this battle interesting(beerus isn't using full power because nobody don't know how powerful he is at full power) ssj4 gogeta vs beerus now this question is debatable in my opinion both never showed there full power(ssj4 gogeta would kill omega shenron easily if he wasn't goofing around)i think ssj4 gogeta would win but The writers of super could display beerus full power at anytime after the universal tournament and say something about his power that would beat ssj4 gogeta but i doubt they will do that.we are never EVER going to see ssj4 gogeta's full power unless Dragon Ball GT Gets A Reboot which they should not to say gt sucks in my opinion its okay.it's a high possibility if you think about it,the GT Reboot could come not right after but it could come after super ends in a while.

@hyperviper97: well Akira Toriyama loved Gt and supported those who bought the Gt box, by drawing a picture of Ssj4 Goku which he loved as well, so why would he do that? Again no answer required just throwing in my old,× 3 years two sense.

@cooldes: No i do. Ssj4 has the raw power of the Golden Great Ape, a Ssj Great ape not regular 10×. So Rilldo Goku's mastered Ssj form was 100×( Ssj4 is a limit breaker, raises a Saiyan's power to their absolute limit, so this refers ) So this refers to Goku's form, great ape combined with Ssj 10× for great ape × 100× for mastered Ssj equals 1000× Ssj3 and 800,000× his base, again Goku's limit break. Again just throwing in my 3 year old sense.

beerus takes it easily, anything below mastered ultra instinct for goku is not enough to be able to face him, and beerus is above all of the original, z and gt anyway