SSJ4 Gogeta vs Super Saiyan God Goku

@johndanielmclemore: ermmm the fact that he has travelled millions of times faster than light just to visit whis because Whis was taking ages to get food, or the fact he traveled across galaxies in seconds

Ssj God easily based on recent feats

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@comicsrulebutdbzdoes2:

Berter was said to have the fastest speed on the Ginyu force yet was no match for Captian Ginyu! Raw speed and combat speed are two very different things!

Probably when Piccolo said Raditz was faster than light.

God Goku is stronger than Gogeta will ever be.

Wow, 100,000 views!!

Anyways, Gogeta doesn't have the feats to put him anywhere close to Goku SSJG.

@ninjawarrior268: do you even watch DBS?!?! Because it's quite obvious from the fact they travel across the universe and galaxies in minutes that they are massively faster than light now

That's a funny username.

@omega_kai: yep, true.

SSG Goku stomps.

Bills is massively FTL. He casually flew to a random planet because Whis was taking too long with his dinner. Then in his fight with Vegeta he says he hasn't used 10% of his power in a while meaning traverses galaxies for dinner like it's nothing. Then we have his universe destroying strikes. SSG Goku is fighting on par with this Beerus in episode 12... and then in the next episode they fight at 100%.

SSG wins easily.

SSJ4 Gogeta stomps

ssg matched up with beerus who destroyed half a planet with a nail

ssj4 gogeta can only last for 15 minutes

ssj absorbs the power of ssg in the movie

therefore, goku ssg>>gogeta ssj 4

He had to try a little bit against DBS Vegeta, not DBZ. DBS >>>>> GT > > DBZ. Nobody in DBZ has destroyed a star on panel. DBS characters shake the whole universe with their punches. SSG can solo GT by waving his hand in air

SSJG Goku literally STOMPS Gogeta. People have no idea what Omega was talking about when he said he would lay waste to the universe.

First of all, when has comic vine ever accepted obvious boasts as any sort of proof of being capable of doing anything? Second, Omega was not going obliterate the universe, he was literally just going to corrupt it. His "Minus Energy" took how long again to even have the affect that it did on only earth? The thing works slower than rust.

Goku on the other hand was literally going to BREAK the universe during his fight with Beerus. In fact, he would have had Beerus not went up to 100% and neutralized the shockwaves. The equivilant of what Goku and Beerus were doing and what Omega was going to do is like blowing a car up with a grenade (Beerus and Goku) or building up rust after a century (Omega) Its literally no contest, SSJG Goku is on another level than SSJ4 Gogeta.

SSG Goku destroys SSJ4 Gogeta. SSJ4 Gogeta play around too much. SSG Goku take things seriously and he is faster and stronger. SSJ4 wont be able to even sense SSG Goku. Plus, In Dragon Ball Super, Goku told Vegeta that even Fusion wont be able to stop Beerus. Meaning SSG Goku>SSJ4 Gogeta

Why do people keep using Goku anyway. Beerus vegeta and Whis are much better characters. Whis is currently the strongest character in dragonball. Let me spit some knowledge

He wrecked Beerus someone with universal durability with one tap.

He traveled from otherworldly to planet earth in 3 minutes faster than the flash ever traveled

Can manipulate time.

And is PERFECT when it comes to martial arts.

DBS takes place a few years after Kid Buu is destroyed, he is the same Vegeta but with training. Not a massive difference (by DB standards). I don't care about what happens on panels, lol.

Haha, no, no, just no. SSG Goku isn't faster/stronger than Gogeta, and not sensing Goku wouldn't be a major issue (Frieza, Androids, and like half of Dragon Ball say hello), and fusion in DBS woudn't be enough to stop Beerus because they're not freaking EoS GT SSj4 Gogeta.

@irhp87: Dude we've watched GT. What the hell were you watching? What feat puts Gogeta on the same tier as SSG Goku. I already know you have none. All you have is empty rebuttals. SSG Goku is faster and stronger.

Power Levels arefeats in Dragon Ball. If you do the calculations there's no way SSG Goku can beat SSj4 Gogeta. If you insist on seeing something that's too bad for you. If you're the kind of guy to sit there and pretend Krillin cannot destroy planets because he hasn't been shown to do so then we're wasting effort debating with each other because Power Levels are pretty much everything in DB.

@irhp87: As I thought. Once again another empty rebuttal. No feats. Power levels have been meaningless since after the Freiza Saga and lets not even try to pretend GT and the Z canon follow the same power scale.

If you find it empty that's your problem. Not everyone is going to agree with you.

Also, Power Levels have never been meaningless. I know your next move regarding this point and eagerly await it.

There's no reason to believe GT wasn't following the same power scale. Grasp at those straws.

@irhp87: The point is, using Power Level Calculations has been defunct since between the Frieza and Cell Sagas. Meaning that Power Levels no longer play a role in how powerful characters become. Therefore, any calculations made past those Sagas are deemed fan-made and not fact. GT wasn't following the same power scale as Power Levels were never a concern in that series. The consensus is, because Power Levels have been thrown out since the aforementioned Sagas, there's really no need for you or anyone else to suddenly bring them into the equation. ComicVine, most other fans, go by visual feats, things that have been seen, to base whom they put their vote to - and don't rely on statements. As it stands, SSJG Goku would wreak SSJ4 Goku quite easily, without breaking a sweat.

Yeah, no. Toriyama is still using Power Levels, Golden Frieza is 100 quintillion. So there goes that point.

Next, GT was following the same power scale, Goku stated that Rilldo was as powerful as Majin Buu. Power Levels are always a concern, they just don't use stated numbers after Frieza Saga, they generally say that someone is stronger than someone/anyone, or is some certain amount stronger than someone. Any other stated numbers came from other official sources.

I don't care what the consensus is. Toriyama is still using them. Next.

If you're going strictly by visual feats then Kid Goku in Dragon Ball was stronger than Whis in DBZ: BoG despite Beerus' statement that Whis was stronger than himself; only until DBZ: RoF was Whis deemed stronger than him by your "logic." Lmao.

As it stands SSj4 Gogeta wrecks SSG Goku and that's all there is to it.

Where exactly is that number stated? Because it wasn't stated in the movie.

By Toriyama himself.

@irhp87: Prove it.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Power_level

"The overall highest power level officially stated was 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 of Golden Frieza stated in a interview with Akira Toriyama."

http://jnetworkonline.com/2015/04/23/master-roshi-is-now-unbelievably-powerful-viewers-of-dragon-ball-resurrection-of-f-are-blown-away-creator-of-the-dragon-ball-series-toriyama-akira-gives/

"In this movie, Golden Frieza’s power level is at one hundred quintillion (100’000’000’000’000’000’000)."

I really just have to address this. First off, multipliers are not, nor have they ever been a thing. No one can show even 1 scan even hinting that SSJ forms are a static multiplier. People literally cling onto a fan guidebook make for promotional purposes that was made AFTER the series was over, that AT never onced referenced when writing the series (obviously, because it was done after AT finished DB). The entire Cell saga was about improving the SSJ form, and if you want to reference things not in the manga, AT himself stated that the SSJ forms other than SSJ1 are useless because you can train SSJ1 to be as strong as them, and it will have less strain. Yet for some reason, people think that SSJ1 =50x multiplier (even though the form is improved upon in the cell saga, showing its not a static multiplier, and AT stating it can be as strong as other forms).

Then they get that SSJ2 is 2x SSJ1 (not directed at your comment specifically, but if you are claiming SSJ4 is 50x SSJ3 you obviously buy into the whole multiplier thing)? From where? SSJ2 was originally Gohan's rage boost while he was in SSJ. Gohan's rage boost was always MORE than 2x if you want to go by multipliers. He must have increased 10-fold against Raditz, and the same when he flipped out on Frieza. Yet somehow its confirmed that SSJ2 just multiplies SSJ1 by 2? Did Cell ever state that he was twice as strong, let alone anyone ever commenting that SSJ2 inherently doubles your power?

No, there is nothing to suggest in the manga that SSJ forms are anything but a power boost that makes you strong enough to deal with the next baddie.

But EVEN if you assume the power boosts are multipliers (which they are not), where in the world do you get SSJ4 is 50x SSJ3? Oozaru is 10x base, and Golden Oozaru/SSJ4 (which is just Golden Oozaru controlled) is just Oozaru in SSJ, so how is SSJ4 anything more than 10x SSJ1? Where is this 50x SSJ3 coming from.

Lets do some calcs. SSJ1=50x base. SSj2 = 2x SSJ1. SSJ3 = 4x SSJ2 (I think this is the conventional "wisdom"). That would put SSJ3 at 400x Base.

Now lets look at SSJ4. Oozaru is 10x Base. SSJ is 50x Base. That would put Golden Oozaru/SSJ4 at 500x Base. That means SSJ4 is 1.25x SSJ3, not 50x!!!

But I shouldn't really be humoring the idea of multipliers, especially in the GT saga. In Episode 12, base kid Goku is hanging in with the villain, though at a disadvantage. Goku is obviously comparable to him though. Then he turns super saiyan. He should instantly mop the floor with him, if he is actually 50x stronger. Does that happen? No, in fact Goku STILL loses, and instead BASE Trunks kills the villain with 1 blast. Apparently Base Goku is as strong as Majin Buu, SSJ Goku is 50x the power of Majin Buu, and Base trunks is much stronger than that?!

It's quite obvious that GT especially does not follow the multiplier "rule". Otherwise, SSJ Trunks would be stronger than SSJ4 Goku. Don't believe me? Let's do the math.

SSJ4 Goku = 10x SSJ1 Goku. Base Trunks =>SSJ1 Goku. SSJ1 Trunks = 50x Base Trunks

That means SSJ1 Trunks is 50x stronger than SSJ1 Goku, and 5x Stronger than SSJ 4 Goku. Clearly GT is not following a static multiplier, and your attempts to power-scale featless GT characters above universe-level SSJG characters hold no weight.

^^The idiots still think power levels are relevant after Namek Saga. Dont try to argue with them.

I would like to see how anybody in GT can survive one punch from Beerus

Gogeta one shots.

SSG One shots.

@super_sayian_beyonder said:

@gxrevolution96 said:

Gogeta one shots.

@le0nhart said:

SSJ4 Gogeta stomps

SSG One shots.

SSGSS couldn't handle full power Golden Frieza, SSJ4 Gogeta lolstomps

@le0nhart said:

@super_sayian_beyonder said:

@gxrevolution96 said:

Gogeta one shots.

@le0nhart said:

SSJ4 Gogeta stomps

SSG One shots.

SSGSS couldn't handle full power Golden Frieza, SSJ4 Gogeta lolstomps

SSG is stronger then SSGSS, SSG shook the entire universe.

@super_sayian_beyonder said:

@le0nhart said:

@super_sayian_beyonder said:

@gxrevolution96 said:

Gogeta one shots.

@le0nhart said:

SSJ4 Gogeta stomps

SSG One shots.

SSGSS couldn't handle full power Golden Frieza, SSJ4 Gogeta lolstomps

SSG is stronger then SSGSS, SSG shook the entire universe.

No it isn't, also feats don't matter, we're discussing in-verse things here

@le0nhart: DBS and DBGT are not in the same universe

I don't know what i want to say

You can consider it an alternate universe, but it is still within dragon ball, so we can still scale them without any issues

7 years training + new transformation + fusion > Frieza with 4 months of training

@le0nhart: No, DBGT is not alternate dimension. That's fanfic, there is no official source saying that. DBGT is 100% non canon to DBS and has no relation to it. Frieza in DBS is infinitely stronger than he was in DBGT. DBGT is as canon to DBS as DB Absalon or AF.

The only way you can compare non canon series like GT, Absalon or AF to DBS is by feats, as powerscaling doesn't apply

No, you cannot scale GT at all, let alone scale it the same way as BoG. In GT you get nonsense like Base Trunks>Whip Guy in episode 12>SSJ Goku> Base Goku>Majin Buu, and if you believe in that multiplier non-sense then you get insane stuff like SSJ Trunks>SSJ4 Goku.

When people got stronger in DBS they started busting stars and endangering almost destroying the universe as the side effect of a fight. In GT you get, uh, does anyone even destroy a planet in GT?

@josephgomes619: um I'm pretty sure you just said its cannon, you said it exists in the same universe so they're both related. The only reason why DBGT doesn't go by the same logic as DBS is because it came out way earlier, just because it suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked doesn't mean it should be excluded from cannon

@hypnos0929:They don't exist in the same universe. Or multiverse. DBS has nothing to do with DBGT, they're completely unrelated projects. GT is as canon to DBS as Dragon Ball Absalon or AF.

DBS Frieza has nothing to do with GT Frieza

@josephgomes619: You just said they are not officially stated to be in alternate dimensions, so they exist in the same. Think for yourself if DBGT would have come out after DBS then the SSG transformations would have been included, the facts are DBGT was supposed to be the last instalment of the series. If DBS, BoG, and RoF would never have appeared then you'd still be counting SS1, 2, 3, and 4, Frezia from DBZ would still be related to Frezia from DBGT, and Gogeta would still exist. That's reality, and the director person (sorry can't remember his name) did give some advice on the DBGT series so technically its cannon. Just because the show was terrible doesn't make it non cannon.

@josephgomes619:

No, DBGT is not alternate dimension.

It can be, we have 12 universes in DBS after all, it can also be an alternate timeline like the one that has future trunks

That's fanfic,

Was GT made by fans? no? then it is not fanfic

there is no official source saying that. DBGT is 100% non canon to DBS and has no relation to it.

"there is no official source saying that" as well, not to mention, that's totally irrelevant as both series use DBZ as a starting point, so scaling still works

Frieza in DBS is infinitely stronger than he was in DBGT.

This is about SSJ4 Gogeta not Frieza from GT

DBGT is as canon to DBS as DB Absalon or AF.

Not really, DBGT was made by Toei, not fans, and IIRC, Akira was the one who designed the characters not fans, also how is this related to scaling GT characters from dragon ball?

The only way you can compare non canon series like GT, Absalon or AF to DBS is by feats, as powerscaling doesn't apply

Actually it does because again they both use DBZ as a starting point

@emeraldeazy:

No, you cannot scale GT at all, let alone scale it the same way as BoG.

Why not? they both use DBZ as a starting point, GT can be considered as an alternate timeline where Goku has never met Beerus

In GT you get nonsense like Base Trunks>Whip Guy in episode 12>SSJ Goku> Base Goku>Majin Buu and if you believe in that multiplier non-sense then you get insane stuff like SSJ Trunks>SSJ4 Goku.

How is Trunks > Goku? just because he shot that Whip guy with a Ki blast when he wasn't watching doesn't mean he's more powerful than Goku or the Whip guy, unless you think that Sorbet > SSGSS Goku, besides it is GT, don't take it seriously at all as it is filled with plot holes and stupidity

When people got stronger in DBS they started busting stars and endangering almost destroying the universe as the side effect of a fight. In GT you get, uh, does anyone even destroy a planet in GT?

No one in DBS has destroyed a star except for Beerus, and that happened in the ROF manga, again feats are irrelevant to this argument, GT Goku is still DBZ Goku with 7 years training and a new transformation

This. People are trying to make feats this universal thing that trumps everything else but that doesn't apply to the way certain stories and universes are written and operate. They don't get it or they want to lowball DB.