@gxrevolution96: Cell at full power was still no match for a SSJ2
He was no match for Gohan not for SSJ2, cell was also SSJ2... Adult Gohan is SSJ2 too but he is much weaker then Kid Gohan SSJ2.
I am referring to the fight before he blows himself up. After Gohan destroys the Cell Juniors, Cell performs one final power up to which he goes full out.
@gxrevolution96: ok my bad i misread the topic i thought its ssj2 cell = super perfect, but in this fight tit is perfect cell. In that case majin takes this.
@gxrevolution96: ok my bad i misread the topic i thought its ssj2 cell = super perfect, but in this fight tit is perfect cell. In that case majin takes this.
Oh! My bad. I thought there might have been a misunderstanding. I should have been more clearer
SS2 Majin Vegita without problem he was capable of keep up with Fat Buu and give SS2 Goku a good fight until knock Goku wich means he easily was holding back during his fight with Kakarotto.
Vegeta should still win as SSJ1, Goku even put up a good fight as a SSJ1 in the Cell Games. 7 years of training before the Buu Saga should put SSJ1 Vegeta at least Perfect Cell level + Majin boost = win.
When majin vegeta was at the tournament blowing people up he was in regular ssj form. I would say he was slightly stronger than perfect cell (full power). Not super perfect cell (after regenerating from suicide bomb).
Vegeta should still win as SSJ1, Goku even put up a good fight as a SSJ1 in the Cell Games. 7 years of training before the Buu Saga should put SSJ1 Vegeta at least Perfect Cell level + Majin boost = win.
Cell was heavily suppressed when he fought Goku and was still stated to be "One or two steps" ahead. If you go by the manga, Goku was on the back foot throughout the whole fight and couldn't damage Cell. He had to resort to a surprise attack(IT kamehameha)which he put most of his Ki into. He even said that if he slipped up, it would be over in an instant.
Secondly, SSJ2 Goku and Majin Vegeta were not that far ahead of SSJ2 Kid Gohan. Moreover, Goku and Gohan were much stronger than Vegeta at the CG so he'd had to play catch up. Vegeta even stated in their fight that the gap between their powers hadn't changed and that no matter how hard he tried, he could never surpass him hence why he needed Babidis help.
I think they have all gotten stronger since the cell games. base goku was a 1 and ssj raises his power to 5
Base goku years later is a 5...him powering up to SSJ wouldn't make him a 5 still, it would make him stronger.
SSJ isn't a cut off power level point. AS long as base Vegeta is stronger then he was during the cell games, this his SSJ form will be too. He has been training constantly, his skills are still there as well as his strength
in gt (non cannon) goku was toying around with both cell and frieza at the same time in his base form.
@misterguyman: and goku states that it's only in his mind
Gohan says he lost half his power. Goku says he's holding back. They're two statements that don't contradict. Gohan can lose half his power and still hold back.
Vegeta should still win as SSJ1, Goku even put up a good fight as a SSJ1 in the Cell Games. 7 years of training before the Buu Saga should put SSJ1 Vegeta at least Perfect Cell level + Majin boost = win.
goku was facing a supressed cell. and your just blindly assuming that heavy training alone closed the gap. no real proof
@gxrevolution96: The gap between Goku and Vegeta wasn't that big at the start of the Buu Saga. Both of Them were SSJ2's that surpassed Gohan, Vegeta even put up a fight against SSJ3 tier Kid Buu without the Majin Boost. Vegeta just wanted a grantee that he would beat Goku and that's why he give in to Babidis power. When Vegeta was talking about the gap it was the past like their first fight, Frieza, Cell etc in the flashbacks. Vegeta was even going to fight Goku at the World Tournament before everything went down.
@gxrevolution96: The gap between Goku and Vegeta wasn't that big at the start of the Buu Saga. Both of Them were SSJ2's that surpassed Gohan, Vegeta even put up a fight against SSJ3 tier Kid Buu without the Majin Boost. Vegeta just wanted a grantee that he would beat Goku and that's why he give in to Babidis power. When Vegeta was talking about the gap it was the past like their first fight, Frieza, Cell etc in the flashbacks. Vegeta was even going to fight Goku at the World Tournament before everything went down.
The gap was big enough that Vegeta felt that he needed Babidi's help.
Vegeta did not put up a fight against Kid Buu. The former received one of the most brutal beat downs in series and was finished in 4-5 pages.
Good point, except that Vegeta hadn't had glimpse of Goku's power yet at the tournament, so he was confident that he could beat Goku. It is only when he glimpsed Goku's SSJ2 against Yakkon did he realise that there was an apparent gap.
@gxrevolution96: Vegeta clearly states that the only reason he needed Bbidi's help was to gain his evil self back. Just to get rid of how he softened up on Earth and think about this, can you imagine super perfect cell giving buu a hard time? After Vegeta was bloodied from defeating a more powerful ssj2 Goku , he went on to nearly stalemate Buu (Until Trunks saved him and he killed himself).
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