SSJ Goku (pre-virus) vs SSJ Vegeta

Who wins? Both from android saga

Goku

Whenever goku at vegeta fight at the same level goku gets stomped

Goku gets stomped here

Vegeta. After he massacred Android 19, Piccolo said Vegeta's power as a Super Saiyan was unlike anything he'd ever felt before, and that he probably surpassed Goku.

@midnightdragon18: I wouldn't say he would get stomped...

Vegeta.

Chapter: 348 (DBZ 154), P5.5

Context: after Vegeta leaves to fight No.17 and No.18

Piccolo: “…But…It seems that Vegeta really has obtained power surpassing Goku now that he’s become a Super Saiyan…He just might be able to take care of them like he says…”

Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.3-4

Context: talking about how Trunks and co. lost to the androids

Tenshinhan: “[Trunks] is the man who took down Freeza…And he was helpless before these androids…I’ll be frank…! No matter how strong Goku may be, he shouldn’t be that different from Trunks or Vegeta…He definitely can’t win…! Not even Goku…”

Chapter: 365 (DBZ 171), P14.3

Context: when asked if he’ll fight the androids

Goku: “Don’t worry…I won’t fight them yet…After all, if even Vegeta couldn’t beat them as he is now, then I can’t beat them either…”

Vegeta is a little bit stronger but goku is still in the same ballpark

This'll probably go like majin vegeta vs goku

@julyiscool: Goku

@dbzk1999: Goku holding back and trying to snap Vegeta out if his trance?

@precrisisbardock: goku fighting at the maximum power he could in ssj2

@dbzk1999: Goku was not doing that, he had to hold back on energy usage AND was trying to break Vegeta out of his rampage

@precrisisbardock: no he wasn holding back

The only thing he held back was ssj3

He wasn't holding back in his ssj2 power

@ssjbatdan:

Piccolo: “…But…It seems that Vegeta really has obtained power surpassing Goku now that he’s become a Super Saiyan…He just might be able to take care of them like he says…”

@dbzk1999: Yes he was. You can easily see every time he tried he dominated Vegeta, and he was constantly talking to him and letting him talk.

@ssjbatdan: that was after goku had been takin away

He's not talking about sick goku

He's talking about the goku that he trained with for 3 years

@precrisisbardock: ok let's see here

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P8.1-4, P9.4

Context: as Goku and Vegeta are about to fight

Goku: “I don’t wanna take any damage from you and have it become Majin Boo’s energy…So I’m gona end this quickly, at maximum power.”

Vegeta: “I’m looking forward to this…Show me the fruits of your training in the afterlife. *Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2* Just as I’d expect. Your power is greater than Gohan’s was back then!”

*Vegeta transforms into a Super Saiyan 2 as well*

Goku: “This don’t look like it’s gonna end quickly…”

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3

Context: after Goku and Vegeta fight a bit

Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…”

Chapter: 460 (DBZ 266), P10.2-3

Context: after Boo seems to be dead on arrival

Kaioshin: “Goku and Vegeta are probably having a roughly even fight…”

And they're fight is barely shown in the manga

Pretty sure Piccolo stated that he thought Vegeta had surpassed Goku.

@dbzk1999: They always say they're fighting aat max, thats irrelevant.

@precrisisbardock: manga statements >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You

Nothing contradicts goku fighting at his full ssj2 power

@dbzk1999: Besides him showing every time he tried he destroyed Vegeta and him trying to snap vegeta out of his rampage and the fact that we later learn the more energy he uses the less time he has?

@precrisisbardock: what are you talking about destroyed?

They barely showed the dang fight

And no

This

"fact that we later learn the more energy he uses the less time he has?"

Only applies to ssj3

@dbzk1999: If they barely showed the fight in the manga then how do you know Vegeta would win? And no, why the hell would it only apply to SSJ3, SSJ2 uses up energy also, hence why Buu was released so quickly.

Vegeta

@precrisisbardock: I never said vegeta would win smart one

I said that he was stronger but him and goku were still in the same ballpark

@ssjbatdan: goku was trying to end the fight as quickly as he could in his ssj2 state

Seeing vegeta go ssj2 made him realize that that's impossible

So no, nothing says he was holding back his ssj2 power

@dbzk1999: You said this will probably go like MV vs Goku, and thats a wrong comparison.

@precrisisbardock: last I checked the glimpses of the fight between the two was equal (and states as such)

@dbzk1999: Yet Goku was holding back and not trying to kill Vegeta and trying to snap him out of his rampage

Vegeta

@ssjbatdan:

Also, what's the point of this, anyhow? Vegeta had an artificial power-up.

Did you miss the point I was making when I referenced this fight

Vegeta is a little bit stronger but goku is still in the same ballpark

This'll probably go like majin vegeta vs goku

@precrisisbardock: he wasn't trying to snap him out of it

The only time he actually tried was when buu was revived whic was basically when the fight was over

@ssjbatdan: why don't you pay attention to what I've been saying

I said that vegeta was stronger but not by much

Because of that, I brought up how this fight would most likely be similar to majin vegeta vs goku

Easy to understand

@dbzk1999: He was mocking Vegeta and talking about his family.

vegeta wins

@ssjbatdan: I reference something as an example

There that easier

@precrisisbardock: yeah, at the end of their fight

Seriously I just reread the fight in the manga

The two charge towards each other, then seperate and stare each other down

When it comes back to them, vegeta punches goku and goku punches vegeta

When it comes back again, the two are at a standoff with neither able to overpower the other, it's then that vegeta reveals he let himself under babidi's control, then they continue

Then majin buu is released, the two sense it but buu's ki doesn't seem that impressive so they continue fighting

Once buu kills dabra, it comes back to the two and THEN does goku mention bulma and trunks and they stop the fight

@dbzk1999: So who do u believe wns the fight at hand

Vegeta

Why did this discussion turn from an "Android Saga SSJ Goku vs Android Saga SSJ Vegeta" discussion to a "Buu Saga SSJ2 Goku vs. Majin Vegeta" discussion?

Android saga(pre Cell saga):

Ssj Goku(pre virus) vs Ssj Vegeta- Vegeta mid to high diff,yes Vegeta was stronger but it wasn't at the point where he could stomp Goku,No

Majin Buu Saga:

Ssj2 Goku vs Ssj2 Vegeta(pre Majin)-Goku wins low to mid diff, Goku and Vegeta were only about equal when Vegeta got his Majin Amp and I would say Vegeta was slightly stronger with the Majin Amp

Ssj2 Goku vs Majin Vegeta, Vegeta wins high to extreme diff now I'm only going based off of his performance with Majin Buu.

Ssj3 Goku vs Majin vegeta, lol what? NEXT

Ssj2 Goku vs ssj2 Vegeta (post revival) Stalemate it was implied that Vegeta got stronger than before but I don't think he's on his Majin amp levels

Vegeta at that point in time was stronger than Goku.