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King Saturn
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"Light said: "King Saturn said: "Light said: "King Saturn said: "Goku should win here easy
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why? what proof do you have that goku is stronger than vegeta? And when has goku ever beaten Vegeta easily?"
Goku has pretty much always been stronger than Vegeta from like the Frieza Saga on... there are sites you can check DBZ Power Levels and see these stats... and dont take my intial statement so literally anyways..."
thats not true... goku has achievied the power that vegeta craves quicker but vegeta always catches up to karkarot. and when he is about to surpass him, Karkarot just gets to another level... another thing, if you look at android and sell saga, goku was the weakest saiyan out of all of them... and as far as SSJ4 goes, the only ay for there fusion to work is if they were at the same power level, which they were and Goku and vegeta have enough fighting spirit so its a tie"
My friend have you ever actually read up on DBZ Power Levels ? Sure Vegeta catches up in power levels to Goku but he never actually equals Goku's power level totally. Vegeta hasnt done that yet... Goku always stays a step ahead of Vegeta in power levels... and this fight is not a tie. And you cant prove it is either
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cell saga is a perfect example of what I said Vegeta became an ascended saiyan, which is more powerful than goku's super saiyan form, goku never even reached Ascended Saiyan... also vegeta could have killed cell with his final flash but he held back because he would have destroyed the earth
Last Power level recorded was like 1,000,000 and that was super saiyan goku... there were no confirmed power levels after that...In Majin Saga, Vegeta and Goku fought to a standstill... Goku had to go super saiyan three to match kid buu... but vegeta took him on in super saiyan 2 while goku built up power for his Spirit BombAbout Vegeta never catching up... cross apply my first argument and for the rest extend my argument about the fusion working
Were you paying attention to that fight with Goku and Vegeta vs Kid Buu? Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta got Curb stomped by Kid Buu and at one point he even admitted that Goku was better than him. Now you tell me why would Vegeta say that if he didn't mean it? Throughout most of the series you have seen it that Goku had ALWAYS been ahead of Vegeta, except for the early Saiyan Saga and the mid Cell Saga. But other than that it remains true, Goku could beat Vegeta in raw power but he holds back even when he could wipe him away. A prime example is that Goku stated that he "Could've probably taken Kid Buu when he was fresh" meaning that if he hadn't toyed with him during the early battle, he would've been able to kill the monster by himself. When he was fighting Majin Buu, he was simply testing his limits and not all out fighting.
Although the movie may not count, Goku fought Janemba in SS3 for a far longer time than SS2 Vegeta could. SS2 Vegeta fighting Baby was different because Vegeta had his adult body while Goku had his kid body. At that time they were probably roughly the same power level, but once Goku reached SS4 his powers would've exceeded that of Vegeta's even after he attained the same form. As we saw in the Saiyan Saga that Vegeta came in with the higher power level and still lost which would mean that Goku is also a better fighter. Sure Vegeta looks flashier and maybe has more ruthlessness, but in the end an Ant can be as bloodthirsty as it wants but when it is fighting a Wasp it's attempts are futile. Not saying Vegeta's weak, just saying he is not as strong as Goku.
I used the anime canon in this reply because Dragon Ball GT is strictly anime and thus Anime canon would probably be more appropriate than manga.
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