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#1 Edited by PossesedShadow (70 posts) - - Show Bio

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#2 Edited by BlueComet (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

@PossesedShadow: So is this Gohan or Gotenks fighting Naruto and Goku?

#3 Posted by IZZR (4289 posts) - - Show Bio
@PossesedShadow said:

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Major Mismatch, SSJ3 Gotenks=SSJ3 Goku
#4 Posted by jwalser3 (4797 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet:Were did you get Gohan from?

#5 Posted by nickzambuto (12987 posts) - - Show Bio

Gotenks wins pretty easily.

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#6 Posted by BlueComet (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3: He just edited the OP. Before he had a picture of Mystic Gohan on there.

#7 Posted by IZZR (4289 posts) - - Show Bio
@nickzambuto said:

Gotenks wins pretty easily.

How the hell? Gotenks got murked by Hirudegard, Goku killed him, Gotents stalemated Super Buu, Goku Stalemated Kid buu who is more powerful.
#8 Posted by XImpossibruX (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

Why is Naruto here?

@IZZR said:

@nickzambuto said:

Gotenks wins pretty easily.

How the hell? Gotenks got murked by Hirudegard, Goku killed him, Gotents stalemated Super Buu, Goku Stalemated Kid buu who is more powerful.

oh boy.

#9 Edited by kcaz (1371 posts) - - Show Bio

ss3 goku can defeat ss3 gotenks.

#10 Posted by BlueComet (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: Goku held his own against Super Buutenks who has the power of Super Buu, Gotenks and Piccolo. Gotenks stalemated regular Super Buu. Gotenks is losing here.

#11 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (3865 posts) - - Show Bio

@IZZR: First Kid buu is not stronger and Goku only defeated Hirudegarn via hax technique

#12 Posted by nickzambuto (12987 posts) - - Show Bio

@IZZR said:

@nickzambuto said:

Gotenks wins pretty easily.

How the hell? Gotenks got murked by Hirudegard, Goku killed him, Gotents stalemated Super Buu, Goku Stalemated Kid buu who is more powerful.

Goku only beat Hirudegard with the Dragon Fist. Plus that was a movie.

Gotenks was beating Super Buu, and would of went on to finish that fight, had his fusion not warn off.

Meanwhile, Goku lost to Kid Buu. He was completely burnt out whereass Buu hadn't even begun. And there is no evidence to say Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu.

Goku even said that he couldn't beat Super Buu without fusing, even after he and Vegeta released everyone he'd absorbed, but Gotenks was whomping him.

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#13 Posted by XImpossibruX (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@IZZR said:

@nickzambuto said:

Gotenks wins pretty easily.

How the hell? Gotenks got murked by Hirudegard, Goku killed him, Gotents stalemated Super Buu, Goku Stalemated Kid buu who is more powerful.

Goku only beat Hirudegard with the Dragon Fist. Plus that was a movie.

Gotenks was beating Super Buu, and would of went on to finish that fight, had his fusion not warn off.

Meanwhile, Goku lost to Kid Buu. He was completely burnt out whereass Buu hadn't even begun. And there is no evidence to say Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu.

Goku even said that he couldn't beat Super Buu without fusing, even after he and Vegeta released everyone he'd absorbed, but Gotenks was whomping him.

Thank you!. SSJ3 Gotenks > SuperBuu =< SSj3 Goku > Kid Buu

SSj3 Goku only beats Kid Buu at Full power

#14 Posted by IZZR (4289 posts) - - Show Bio
@nickzambuto said:

@IZZR said:

@nickzambuto said:

Gotenks wins pretty easily.

How the hell? Gotenks got murked by Hirudegard, Goku killed him, Gotents stalemated Super Buu, Goku Stalemated Kid buu who is more powerful.

Goku only beat Hirudegard with the Dragon Fist. Plus that was a movie.

Gotenks was beating Super Buu, and would of went on to finish that fight, had his fusion not warn off.

Meanwhile, Goku lost to Kid Buu. He was completely burnt out whereass Buu hadn't even begun. And there is no evidence to say Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu.

Goku even said that he couldn't beat Super Buu without fusing, even after he and Vegeta released everyone he'd absorbed, but Gotenks was whomping him.

Look Gotents was in the hyperbolic time chamber for a hell of a long time practising that technique, Goku stated that his return to Earth greatly diminished his ability to sustain SSJ3 otherwise he was stalemating Kid Buu. And Supreme Kai said Kid Buu is the most powerful as he has no restraint he is pure uncapped evil.
#15 Posted by IZZR (4289 posts) - - Show Bio
@XImpossibruX said:

@nickzambuto said:

@IZZR said:

@nickzambuto said:

Gotenks wins pretty easily.

How the hell? Gotenks got murked by Hirudegard, Goku killed him, Gotents stalemated Super Buu, Goku Stalemated Kid buu who is more powerful.

Goku only beat Hirudegard with the Dragon Fist. Plus that was a movie.

Gotenks was beating Super Buu, and would of went on to finish that fight, had his fusion not warn off.

Meanwhile, Goku lost to Kid Buu. He was completely burnt out whereass Buu hadn't even begun. And there is no evidence to say Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu.

Goku even said that he couldn't beat Super Buu without fusing, even after he and Vegeta released everyone he'd absorbed, but Gotenks was whomping him.

Thank you!. SSJ3 Gotenks > SuperBuu =< SSj3 Goku > Kid Buu

SSj3 Goku only beats Kid Buu at Full power

You need to go watch the season again seriously. Supreme Kai said Kid Buu is the most powerful incarnation because when he absorbs others their innocence makes him less powerful. He may become physically stronger but his core power is at its peak when he is in his Kid form.
#16 Posted by CerberusPrime3k (950 posts) - - Show Bio

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#17 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (3865 posts) - - Show Bio

@IZZR said:

@XImpossibruX said:

@nickzambuto said:

@IZZR said:

@nickzambuto said:

Gotenks wins pretty easily.

How the hell? Gotenks got murked by Hirudegard, Goku killed him, Gotents stalemated Super Buu, Goku Stalemated Kid buu who is more powerful.

Goku only beat Hirudegard with the Dragon Fist. Plus that was a movie.

Gotenks was beating Super Buu, and would of went on to finish that fight, had his fusion not warn off.

Meanwhile, Goku lost to Kid Buu. He was completely burnt out whereass Buu hadn't even begun. And there is no evidence to say Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu.

Goku even said that he couldn't beat Super Buu without fusing, even after he and Vegeta released everyone he'd absorbed, but Gotenks was whomping him.

Thank you!. SSJ3 Gotenks > SuperBuu =< SSj3 Goku > Kid Buu

SSj3 Goku only beats Kid Buu at Full power

You need to go watch the season again seriously. Supreme Kai said Kid Buu is the most powerful incarnation because when he absorbs others their innocence makes him less powerful. He may become physically stronger but his core power is at its peak when he is in his Kid form.

Supreme Kai was not only mistaken but he's pretty stupid as well. Supreme kai also thought gohan was the strongest one at the tournament but look how wrong he was at that

#18 Posted by XImpossibruX (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@IZZR said:

@XImpossibruX said:

@nickzambuto said:

@IZZR said:

@nickzambuto said:

Gotenks wins pretty easily.

How the hell? Gotenks got murked by Hirudegard, Goku killed him, Gotents stalemated Super Buu, Goku Stalemated Kid buu who is more powerful.

Goku only beat Hirudegard with the Dragon Fist. Plus that was a movie.

Gotenks was beating Super Buu, and would of went on to finish that fight, had his fusion not warn off.

Meanwhile, Goku lost to Kid Buu. He was completely burnt out whereass Buu hadn't even begun. And there is no evidence to say Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu.

Goku even said that he couldn't beat Super Buu without fusing, even after he and Vegeta released everyone he'd absorbed, but Gotenks was whomping him.

Thank you!. SSJ3 Gotenks > SuperBuu =< SSj3 Goku > Kid Buu

SSj3 Goku only beats Kid Buu at Full power

You need to go watch the season again seriously. Supreme Kai said Kid Buu is the most powerful incarnation because when he absorbs others their innocence makes him less powerful. He may become physically stronger but his core power is at its peak when he is in his Kid form.

Supreme Kai was not only mistaken but he's pretty stupid as well. Supreme kai also thought gohan was the strongest one at the tournament but look how wrong he was at that

Old Kai even stated that Super buu is the most powerful, but Kid Buu is the most dangerous. ( Seeing how he randomly blows up earth without giving a second thought)

#19 Posted by IZZR (4289 posts) - - Show Bio
@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@IZZR said:

@XImpossibruX said:

@nickzambuto said:

@IZZR said:

@nickzambuto said:

Gotenks wins pretty easily.

How the hell? Gotenks got murked by Hirudegard, Goku killed him, Gotents stalemated Super Buu, Goku Stalemated Kid buu who is more powerful.

Goku only beat Hirudegard with the Dragon Fist. Plus that was a movie.

Gotenks was beating Super Buu, and would of went on to finish that fight, had his fusion not warn off.

Meanwhile, Goku lost to Kid Buu. He was completely burnt out whereass Buu hadn't even begun. And there is no evidence to say Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu.

Goku even said that he couldn't beat Super Buu without fusing, even after he and Vegeta released everyone he'd absorbed, but Gotenks was whomping him.

Thank you!. SSJ3 Gotenks > SuperBuu =< SSj3 Goku > Kid Buu

SSj3 Goku only beats Kid Buu at Full power

You need to go watch the season again seriously. Supreme Kai said Kid Buu is the most powerful incarnation because when he absorbs others their innocence makes him less powerful. He may become physically stronger but his core power is at its peak when he is in his Kid form.

Supreme Kai was not only mistaken but he's pretty stupid as well. Supreme kai also thought gohan was the strongest one at the tournament but look how wrong he was at that

Huh?? do you know anything about DBZ? Gohan was the most powerful (His internal power) but because he slacked in trainning he lost his battling skills. when Old Kai extracted his true power Gohan easily became more powerful than both SSJ Gotenks and SSJ3 Goku.
#20 Posted by XImpossibruX (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

@IZZR said:

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@IZZR said:

@XImpossibruX said:

@nickzambuto said:

@IZZR said:

@nickzambuto said:

Gotenks wins pretty easily.

How the hell? Gotenks got murked by Hirudegard, Goku killed him, Gotents stalemated Super Buu, Goku Stalemated Kid buu who is more powerful.

Goku only beat Hirudegard with the Dragon Fist. Plus that was a movie.

Gotenks was beating Super Buu, and would of went on to finish that fight, had his fusion not warn off.

Meanwhile, Goku lost to Kid Buu. He was completely burnt out whereass Buu hadn't even begun. And there is no evidence to say Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu.

Goku even said that he couldn't beat Super Buu without fusing, even after he and Vegeta released everyone he'd absorbed, but Gotenks was whomping him.

Thank you!. SSJ3 Gotenks > SuperBuu =< SSj3 Goku > Kid Buu

SSj3 Goku only beats Kid Buu at Full power

You need to go watch the season again seriously. Supreme Kai said Kid Buu is the most powerful incarnation because when he absorbs others their innocence makes him less powerful. He may become physically stronger but his core power is at its peak when he is in his Kid form.

Supreme Kai was not only mistaken but he's pretty stupid as well. Supreme kai also thought gohan was the strongest one at the tournament but look how wrong he was at that

Huh?? do you know anything about DBZ? Gohan was the most powerful (His internal power) but because he slacked in trainning he lost his battling skills. when Old Kai extracted his true power Gohan easily became more powerful than both SSJ Gotenks and SSJ3 Goku.

Note redbird3rdboywonder said : At the tournament, and yes Ultamite (Mystic) Gohan is strongest non-fused character.

But Goku even said that he couldn't beat Super buu and Gotenks was beating Superbuu

#21 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (3865 posts) - - Show Bio

@IZZR said:

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@IZZR said:

@XImpossibruX said:

@nickzambuto said:

@IZZR said:

@nickzambuto said:

Gotenks wins pretty easily.

How the hell? Gotenks got murked by Hirudegard, Goku killed him, Gotents stalemated Super Buu, Goku Stalemated Kid buu who is more powerful.

Goku only beat Hirudegard with the Dragon Fist. Plus that was a movie.

Gotenks was beating Super Buu, and would of went on to finish that fight, had his fusion not warn off.

Meanwhile, Goku lost to Kid Buu. He was completely burnt out whereass Buu hadn't even begun. And there is no evidence to say Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu.

Goku even said that he couldn't beat Super Buu without fusing, even after he and Vegeta released everyone he'd absorbed, but Gotenks was whomping him.

Thank you!. SSJ3 Gotenks > SuperBuu =< SSj3 Goku > Kid Buu

SSj3 Goku only beats Kid Buu at Full power

You need to go watch the season again seriously. Supreme Kai said Kid Buu is the most powerful incarnation because when he absorbs others their innocence makes him less powerful. He may become physically stronger but his core power is at its peak when he is in his Kid form.

Supreme Kai was not only mistaken but he's pretty stupid as well. Supreme kai also thought gohan was the strongest one at the tournament but look how wrong he was at that

Huh?? do you know anything about DBZ? Gohan was the most powerful (His internal power) but because he slacked in trainning he lost his battling skills. when Old Kai extracted his true power Gohan easily became more powerful than both SSJ Gotenks and SSJ3 Goku.

I know everything about DBZ. Gohan wasnt the most powerful(that goes for internal power as well) at the tournament since Goku was there and easily above him(also this isnt potiental were talking about either, Gohan has the most potiental.) Vegeta even commented on how much weaker Gohan had gotten since he slacked off in his training. Not to mention how many times Shin/Supreme ai was suprised by Sayian power. Also I know Mystic Gohan is stronger than the two of them just like Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu

#22 Posted by BlueComet (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

Super Buuhan < Super Buutenks < Kid Buu < Super Buu

Kid Buu is stronger than normal form Super Buu. Super Buu is only stronger while he has someones(i.e Gohan, Gotenks and Piccolo) absorbed.

#23 Edited by XImpossibruX (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet said:

Super Buuhan < Super Buutenks < Kid Buu < Super Buu

Kid Buu is stronger than normal form Super Buu. Super Buu is only stronger while he has someones(i.e Gohan, Gotenks and Piccolo) absorbed.

That isn't true. If that was true Goku SSj3 could of finished Superbuu off easily, but he couldn't beat him.

While Goku all full power could kill Kid Buu, but dragged the fight out too long.

Kid Buu < SSj3 Goku < Superbuu

Supper buu absorbed the strongest Kai as Kid Buu so he got stronger.

#24 Posted by BlueComet (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX said:

@BlueComet said:

Super Buuhan < Super Buutenks < Kid Buu < Super Buu

Kid Buu is stronger than normal form Super Buu. Super Buu is only stronger while he has someones(i.e Gohan, Gotenks and Piccolo) absorbed.

That isn't true. If that was true Goku SSj3 could of finished Superbuu off easily, but he couldn't beat him.

While Goku all full power could kill Kid Buu, but dragged the fight out too long.

Kid Buu > SSj3 Goku > Superbuu

Supper buu absorbed the strongest Kai as Kid Buu so he got stronger.

What do you mean couldn't beat him, THEY NEVER FOUGHT!!! The only reason he said he couldn't win is because Super Buu's stomach acids absorbed there ki just like it did to Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Piccolo when they got absorbed into Buu's body.

So what your saying is that Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu. In that case ssj3 Goku could beat Super Buu(at full power) thus prooving that he's more powerful then Gotenks.

#25 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5379 posts) - - Show Bio

SS3 Goku beats Gotenks

#26 Edited by XImpossibruX (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet: SSJ3 Goku even stated he can't beat Super buu EVEN IF THEY LEFT his body.

#27 Posted by BlueComet (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX: Because ALL OF HIS KI HAD ALREADY BEEN ABSORBED. If he leaves Buu's body his ki isn't gonna magically come back he's still gonna be out of energy and that is the only reason that he couldn't beat Super Buu.

#28 Posted by XImpossibruX (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet: T_T Goku clearly states that he can't beat Super Buu, after leaving his body, he makes no remarks about his KI being absorbed they actually blocked it with the barrier from Vegito.

Gotenks is stronger then he is and was about to finish fof Superbuu.....

#29 Posted by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto gets his head ripped off by Gotenks, Just leaves Goku and Gotenks.

#30 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (3865 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet said:

Super Buuhan < Super Buutenks < Kid Buu < Super Buu

Kid Buu is stronger than normal form Super Buu. Super Buu is only stronger while he has someones(i.e Gohan, Gotenks and Piccolo) absorbed.

Nope Kid buu id not stronger than normal Super buu

#31 Edited by BlueComet (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

All of your images are broken, just letting you know.

Super Buu's stomach acids absorbed the Pottara energy and ended the fusion, Vegito had no part in blocking anything while inside Buu's body. They all got there energy absorbed like I said, that's kinda what happens when Super Buu absorbs someone -_- and just because they leave doesn't mean they get there kii back it has to replenish its self either over time, by senzu bean or with the help of a kai.

Gotenks only stalemated Super Buu, He got some good hits but nothing that was ever fatal to Super Buu.

#32 Posted by solesamurai (591 posts) - - Show Bio

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@IZZR said:

@XImpossibruX said:

@nickzambuto said:

@IZZR said:

@nickzambuto said:

Gotenks wins pretty easily.

How the hell? Gotenks got murked by Hirudegard, Goku killed him, Gotents stalemated Super Buu, Goku Stalemated Kid buu who is more powerful.

Goku only beat Hirudegard with the Dragon Fist. Plus that was a movie.

Gotenks was beating Super Buu, and would of went on to finish that fight, had his fusion not warn off.

Meanwhile, Goku lost to Kid Buu. He was completely burnt out whereass Buu hadn't even begun. And there is no evidence to say Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu.

Goku even said that he couldn't beat Super Buu without fusing, even after he and Vegeta released everyone he'd absorbed, but Gotenks was whomping him.

Thank you!. SSJ3 Gotenks > SuperBuu =< SSj3 Goku > Kid Buu

SSj3 Goku only beats Kid Buu at Full power

You need to go watch the season again seriously. Supreme Kai said Kid Buu is the most powerful incarnation because when he absorbs others their innocence makes him less powerful. He may become physically stronger but his core power is at its peak when he is in his Kid form.

Supreme Kai was not only mistaken but he's pretty stupid as well. Supreme kai also thought gohan was the strongest one at the tournament but look how wrong he was at that

Supreme Kai was never wrong even once, Gohan was the strongest in Dbz at the end although he wasn't the one who defeated Buu. At his base form he was stalemating super Buu where as Goku needed Ssj3 and so did gotenks. Gohan didn't even bother transforming even after buu absorbed Gotenks(even if it was obvious PIS for him not to transform into a super saiyan). Goku had just fought Buu twice before fighting Kid Buu and Maybe had 15 minutes rest in between those fights. and He still stalemated Kid Buu for a LONG time even while in Ssj3. Gotenks weakness here is he has a time limit on his fusion, and it's even shorter due to him being in Ssj3(IIRC he was able to stay transformed for 15 minutes or something instead of the full 30 minutes the fusion allows you). Goku was able to stay in ssj3 for about 20 or so minutes in his fight with Kid Buu, and even stated he could have killed him if wanted to in the beginning of their final confrontation. And Buu's power works as already explained, the only thing the absorptions do to buu is make him more physically formidable, and give slight changes to his personality. Which is why everytime he absorbed someone he got less ruthless and evil. In his fat buu form he was completely pure and his acts of evil were purely acted out of ignorance and not knowing any better, whereas in his Kid Buu form he killed because he liked too, or in his Gotenks form you would notice tactical and real time strategy being implemented in his fighting due to having absorbed piccolo. He effectively went from a Beast swinging his arms in a rage to being one of the smartest(while still ignorant) Fighters in the Dbz series. And Goku held his own against that, while Gotenks could only stalemate his base form. Not to mention superior Combat knowledge, experience, Goku is an ingenious fighter(many people like to point out how he's stupid, once again he's ignorant not dumb big difference)He knows his sons fighting style(a copy of his mothers and Gohans style, and Gohans style is just Goku and Piccolo's put together, all who goku has a massive amount of experience against. Only thing Gotenks has on Goku is arguably superior fire power and much larger arsenal of tricks/powers which could take goku by suprise but wouldn't definitively get him the Majority. And Naruto is a huge non factor here, he gets blown to peices just being in Gotenks/Goku's presence.

#33 Edited by XImpossibruX (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet said:

All of your images are broken, just letting you know.

Super Buu's stomach acids absorbed the Pottara energy and ended the fusion, Vegito had no part in blocking anything while inside Buu's body. They all got there energy absorbed like I said, that's kinda what happens when Super Buu absorbs someone -_- and just because they leave doesn't mean they get there kii back it has to replenish its self either over time, by senzu bean or with the help of a kai.

Gotenks only stalemated Super Buu, He got some good hits but nothing that was ever fatal to Super Buu.

If all their KI got absorbed how are they able to turn SSJ inside his body? and fire off a blast?

Checkmate.

Anyways since my Images are apparently broken heres a video clip stating after Kid Buu absorbed South Supreme Kai west he got stronger and turned into Super Buu

5:22 the strongest Kai was absorbed and Kid Buu became even stronger.

Double Checkmate

SSj3 Gotenks > Super buu

#34 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (3865 posts) - - Show Bio

@solesamurai said:

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@IZZR said:

@XImpossibruX said:

@nickzambuto said:

@IZZR said:

@nickzambuto said:

Gotenks wins pretty easily.

How the hell? Gotenks got murked by Hirudegard, Goku killed him, Gotents stalemated Super Buu, Goku Stalemated Kid buu who is more powerful.

Goku only beat Hirudegard with the Dragon Fist. Plus that was a movie.

Gotenks was beating Super Buu, and would of went on to finish that fight, had his fusion not warn off.

Meanwhile, Goku lost to Kid Buu. He was completely burnt out whereass Buu hadn't even begun. And there is no evidence to say Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu.

Goku even said that he couldn't beat Super Buu without fusing, even after he and Vegeta released everyone he'd absorbed, but Gotenks was whomping him.

Thank you!. SSJ3 Gotenks > SuperBuu =< SSj3 Goku > Kid Buu

SSj3 Goku only beats Kid Buu at Full power

You need to go watch the season again seriously. Supreme Kai said Kid Buu is the most powerful incarnation because when he absorbs others their innocence makes him less powerful. He may become physically stronger but his core power is at its peak when he is in his Kid form.

Supreme Kai was not only mistaken but he's pretty stupid as well. Supreme kai also thought gohan was the strongest one at the tournament but look how wrong he was at that

Supreme Kai was never wrong even once, Gohan was the strongest in Dbz at the end although he wasn't the one who defeated Buu. At his base form he was stalemating super Buu where as Goku needed Ssj3 and so did gotenks. Gohan didn't even bother transforming even after buu absorbed Gotenks(even if it was obvious PIS for him not to transform into a super saiyan). Goku had just fought Buu twice before fighting Kid Buu and Maybe had 15 minutes rest in between those fights. and He still stalemated Kid Buu for a LONG time even while in Ssj3. Gotenks weakness here is he has a time limit on his fusion, and it's even shorter due to him being in Ssj3(IIRC he was able to stay transformed for 15 minutes or something instead of the full 30 minutes the fusion allows you). Goku was able to stay in ssj3 for about 20 or so minutes in his fight with Kid Buu, and even stated he could have killed him if wanted to in the beginning of their final confrontation. And Buu's power works as already explained, the only thing the absorptions do to buu is make him more physically formidable, and give slight changes to his personality. Which is why everytime he absorbed someone he got less ruthless and evil. In his fat buu form he was completely pure and his acts of evil were purely acted out of ignorance and not knowing any better, whereas in his Kid Buu form he killed because he liked too, or in his Gotenks form you would notice tactical and real time strategy being implemented in his fighting due to having absorbed piccolo. He effectively went from a Beast swinging his arms in a rage to being one of the smartest(while still ignorant) Fighters in the Dbz series. And Goku held his own against that, while Gotenks could only stalemate his base form. Not to mention superior Combat knowledge, experience, Goku is an ingenious fighter(many people like to point out how he's stupid, once again he's ignorant not dumb big difference)He knows his sons fighting style(a copy of his mothers and Gohans style, and Gohans style is just Goku and Piccolo's put together, all who goku has a massive amount of experience against. Only thing Gotenks has on Goku is arguably superior fire power and much larger arsenal of tricks/powers which could take goku by suprise but wouldn't definitively get him the Majority. And Naruto is a huge non factor here, he gets blown to peices just being in Gotenks/Goku's presence.

Oh yea really.Supreme Kai was wrong about Gohan being the most powerful at the tournament, wrong about how powerful the sayains were, wrong about the Z-sword, and wrong about Buu. So how was Shin not wrong one when i just named 4 times he was wrong.. Also it wasnt PIS for Mystic Gohan to not be able to turn in SS sine it was explained why he didnt need it

#35 Posted by BlueComet (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

You're working against yourself here. So what your saying is that Kid Buu is stronger than regular Super Buu which is the exact same thing I'm saying. If ssj3Goku can destroy Kid Buu at full power than he would be able to easily destroy Super Buu he couldn't because he wasn't at full power though. Super Buus stomach acids incidentally didn't absorb all of his power but still enough to where he doesn't have enough ki to go ssj3 meaning he can't fight at full power.

And if the stomach acids don't absorb there Ki then why were the rest of them past out from exuastion?

#36 Posted by XImpossibruX (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

Wish topic was on AnimeVice, they would of torn people apart for stating that SSJ3 goku > SSJ3 Gotenks

People need to read there DBZ

#37 Edited by XImpossibruX (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet said:

You're working against yourself here. So what your saying is that Kid Buu is stronger than regular Super Buu which is the exact same thing I'm saying. If ssj3Goku can destroy Kid Buu at full power than he would be able to easily destroy Super Buu he couldn't because he wasn't at full power though. Super Buus stomach acids incidentally didn't absorb all of his power but still enough to where he doesn't have enough ki to go ssj3 meaning he can't fight at full power.

And if the stomach acids don't absorb there Ki then why were the rest of them past out from exuastion?

Ok. KID BUU IS NOT STRONGER THEN SUPER BUU. I never said that! Look above I clearly say Kid Buu < SSj3 Goku < Superbuu.

Ok show me a scan or anything that tells the reader that Goku lost Ki when he was absorbed by Super Buu

Now you say it "accidentally" didn't absorbed all his power, when you clearly stated above that his Ki was absorbed.

All Super Buu did was split the fusion, they never were wounded of lost Ki.

AND GOKU CLEARLY STATES. That He CANNOT beat Super Buu outside of his body.

+The only reason they were unconscious is that they were put in Buu's pods, GOKU AND VEGETA WHERE NEVER PUT IN PODS.

I'm going to bed, I have already proven with scans and basic DBZ knowledge that SSj3 Gotenks > SSj3 Goku. And Super buu > Kid Buu.

Even the video states that Super buu > Kid Buu.

GG

#38 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (3865 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet: Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu because he has access to his whole power(though supressed) unlike Kid Buu who only has but a portion(half at the most)

#39 Posted by ChaoticSuperman (325 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet said:

You're working against yourself here. So what your saying is that Kid Buu is stronger than regular Super Buu which is the exact same thing I'm saying. If ssj3Goku can destroy Kid Buu at full power than he would be able to easily destroy Super Buu he couldn't because he wasn't at full power though. Super Buus stomach acids incidentally didn't absorb all of his power but still enough to where he doesn't have enough ki to go ssj3 meaning he can't fight at full power.

And if the stomach acids don't absorb there Ki then why were the rest of them past out from exuastion?

You know nothing of DBZ.

When Goku left Super Buu he escaped to the Supreme Kai Panet when Earth blew up.

and then went SSJ3 vs Kid Buu HE NEVER LOST Ki.

WTF are you talking about? Are you a troll?

#40 Posted by PossesedShadow (70 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet: Pleas refrain from the DBZ threads, you have little knowledge of the characters and their strengths.

You make up stuff saying Goku lost Ki when he entered Super Buu, which he didn't because when he escaped he went SSJ3 vs Kid Buu.

Please don't comment again.

#41 Posted by BlueComet (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX said:

@BlueComet said:

You're working against yourself here. So what your saying is that Kid Buu is stronger than regular Super Buu which is the exact same thing I'm saying. If ssj3Goku can destroy Kid Buu at full power than he would be able to easily destroy Super Buu he couldn't because he wasn't at full power though. Super Buus stomach acids incidentally didn't absorb all of his power but still enough to where he doesn't have enough ki to go ssj3 meaning he can't fight at full power.

And if the stomach acids don't absorb there Ki then why were the rest of them past out from exuastion?

Ok. KID BUU IS NOT STRONGER THEN SUPER BUU. I never said that! Look above I clearly say Kid Buu > SSj3 Goku > Superbuu.

Ok show me a scan or anything that tells the reader that Goku lost Ki when he was absorbed by Super Buu

Now you say it "accidentally" didn't absorbed all his power, when you clearly stated above that his Ki was absorbed.

All Super Buu did was split the fusion, they never were wounded of lost Ki.

AND GOKU CLEARLY STATES. That He CANNOT beat Super Buu outside of his body.

+The only reason they were unconscious is that they were put in Buu's pods, GOKU AND VEGETA WHERE NEVER PUT IN PODS.

I'm going to bed, I have already proven with scans and basic DBZ knowledge that SSj3 Gotenks > SSj3 Goku. And Super buu > Kid Buu.

Even the video states that Super buu > Kid Buu.

GG

You aren't making ANY sense. if Kid buu is stronger than ssj3 Goku and Goku is stronger than Super Buu than Kid buu IS stronger than Super Buu. "Kid Buu > SSj3 Goku > Superbuu" that's what you said!!! You just said that Kid Buu > Super Buu!!!!

I said it "INCIDENTALLY" did not absorb all of his power!!! Not accidentally.

It did absorb his and Vegetas energy but it obvously didn't absorb all of it or they would all be dead. He couldn't go ssj3 which means it did absorb most of there ki. That's why he couldn't beat him, he wasn't at full power.

If regular Super Buu is more powerful than Kid Buu then why did he even transform in the first place? He wouldn't unless he was weaker, he's only stronger with Gotenks, Gohan and Piccolo absorbed by himself he is weaker than Kid Buu.

#42 Posted by XImpossibruX (5170 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueComet: Ill turn my arrows around.

But anyways they never stated in the anime or manga that Super buu absored some of Vegetas and Goku ki, no idea where you are getting that idea from.

#43 Edited by PossesedShadow (70 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX said:

@BlueComet: Ill turn my arrows around.

But anyways they never stated in the anime or manga that Super buu absored some of Vegetas and Goku ki, no idea where you are getting that idea from.

He's trolling. Goku stated he can't beat Super Buu.

And Goku never lost Ki, if he lost Ki he could of never turned into SSJ3 after ESCAPING SUPER BUU's Body

Ignore him this battle was a mismatch on my part, flag it please

#44 Posted by morgrim (1020 posts) - - Show Bio

@redbird3rdboywonder: just saying gohan was the strongest one at the tournament he has been stated to be the strongest non fusion dbz character

#45 Posted by BlueComet (1042 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX: @PossesedShadow: Goku beats Gotenks and i'll explain how as simply and calmly as possible.

Ssj3 Goku did much better fighting against Buutenks than mystic Gohan did. Goku actually got a couple hits in whereas Gohan got 0. Goku took minor damage from Buutenks' attacks whereas Gohan too major damage meaning ssj3 Goku is stronger than Gohan.

Now shortly after this video ends Goku states that Buu even with the additional power of Piccolo is too weak to fight him and that even Gohan who's weaker than Goku can defeat Buu. Super Buu piccolo absorbed is still slightly stronger than regular Super Buu.

Regular Super Buu and ssj3 Gotenks were an even match with each other. Buu only won because the fusion wore off. Gohan is more powerful than ssj3 Gotenks since he waas able to OP Super Buu until Buu absorbed Gotenks. And again Goku is slightly stronger than Mystic Gohan so:

ssj3 Goku < Mystic Gohan < Super Buu(piccolo absorbed) < regular Super Buu = ssj3 Gotenks

In other words SSJ3 Goku <<< SSJ3 Gotenks.

#46 Posted by solesamurai (591 posts) - - Show Bio

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@solesamurai said:

@redbird3rdboywonder said:

@IZZR said:

@XImpossibruX said:

@nickzambuto said:

@IZZR said:

@nickzambuto said:

Gotenks wins pretty easily.

How the hell? Gotenks got murked by Hirudegard, Goku killed him, Gotents stalemated Super Buu, Goku Stalemated Kid buu who is more powerful.

Goku only beat Hirudegard with the Dragon Fist. Plus that was a movie.

Gotenks was beating Super Buu, and would of went on to finish that fight, had his fusion not warn off.

Meanwhile, Goku lost to Kid Buu. He was completely burnt out whereass Buu hadn't even begun. And there is no evidence to say Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu.

Goku even said that he couldn't beat Super Buu without fusing, even after he and Vegeta released everyone he'd absorbed, but Gotenks was whomping him.

Thank you!. SSJ3 Gotenks > SuperBuu =< SSj3 Goku > Kid Buu

SSj3 Goku only beats Kid Buu at Full power

You need to go watch the season again seriously. Supreme Kai said Kid Buu is the most powerful incarnation because when he absorbs others their innocence makes him less powerful. He may become physically stronger but his core power is at its peak when he is in his Kid form.

Supreme Kai was not only mistaken but he's pretty stupid as well. Supreme kai also thought gohan was the strongest one at the tournament but look how wrong he was at that

Supreme Kai was never wrong even once, Gohan was the strongest in Dbz at the end although he wasn't the one who defeated Buu. At his base form he was stalemating super Buu where as Goku needed Ssj3 and so did gotenks. Gohan didn't even bother transforming even after buu absorbed Gotenks(even if it was obvious PIS for him not to transform into a super saiyan). Goku had just fought Buu twice before fighting Kid Buu and Maybe had 15 minutes rest in between those fights. and He still stalemated Kid Buu for a LONG time even while in Ssj3. Gotenks weakness here is he has a time limit on his fusion, and it's even shorter due to him being in Ssj3(IIRC he was able to stay transformed for 15 minutes or something instead of the full 30 minutes the fusion allows you). Goku was able to stay in ssj3 for about 20 or so minutes in his fight with Kid Buu, and even stated he could have killed him if wanted to in the beginning of their final confrontation. And Buu's power works as already explained, the only thing the absorptions do to buu is make him more physically formidable, and give slight changes to his personality. Which is why everytime he absorbed someone he got less ruthless and evil. In his fat buu form he was completely pure and his acts of evil were purely acted out of ignorance and not knowing any better, whereas in his Kid Buu form he killed because he liked too, or in his Gotenks form you would notice tactical and real time strategy being implemented in his fighting due to having absorbed piccolo. He effectively went from a Beast swinging his arms in a rage to being one of the smartest(while still ignorant) Fighters in the Dbz series. And Goku held his own against that, while Gotenks could only stalemate his base form. Not to mention superior Combat knowledge, experience, Goku is an ingenious fighter(many people like to point out how he's stupid, once again he's ignorant not dumb big difference)He knows his sons fighting style(a copy of his mothers and Gohans style, and Gohans style is just Goku and Piccolo's put together, all who goku has a massive amount of experience against. Only thing Gotenks has on Goku is arguably superior fire power and much larger arsenal of tricks/powers which could take goku by suprise but wouldn't definitively get him the Majority. And Naruto is a huge non factor here, he gets blown to peices just being in Gotenks/Goku's presence.

Oh yea really.Supreme Kai was wrong about Gohan being the most powerful at the tournament, wrong about how powerful the sayains were, wrong about the Z-sword, and wrong about Buu. So how was Shin not wrong one when i just named 4 times he was wrong.. Also it wasnt PIS for Mystic Gohan to not be able to turn in SS sine it was explained why he didnt need it

Gohan was the strongest at the tournament goku himself confirmed it at the tournament. However gohan had a fear of transforming into ssj2 which made him seem weaker. It's the entire reason, babidi wanted his power, not to mention it's not like Shin couldn't sense out Gohans fighting capabilities, I think the supreme God of Dbz would be able to tell which mortal was stronger than who derp. He merely stated legend says pulling the z-sword from the stone would make you much stronger which was also right. He knew how powerful the saiyans were, he also had first experience against buu so every reason to pesimistic and fearful of what he believed to be the inevitable outcome of the confrontation if they underestimated him. Where was he wrong about Buu? he never even made any predictions about buu, he just casually showed his innate fear of buu due to having fought and saw his master and friends all slaughtered by him. You're not making any points here, just misinterpreting manga scans.

#47 Posted by Mortein (2725 posts) - - Show Bio

In the anime it was unclear who is more powerful, Goku or Gotenks, but in the manga Gotenks was stronger.

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#48 Posted by SpeedForceSpider (902 posts) - - Show Bio

It is true the anime doesn't clarify it well. But in the manga it's stated that SSjin Gotenks is stronger than SSjin 3 Goku and was never contradicted, so I take it as fact.

#49 Posted by Laurcus (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

SS3 Goku is stronger than SS3 Gotenks. As we've seen in this thread, it's debatable who was stronger at the time of the battle against Super Buu. The fact is though, Goten and Trunks stop training after the death of Kid Buu. Goku does not. There is a 5 year time skip before the end of DBZ, during that time Goku undoubtedly becomes significantly stronger than Gotenks.

If you want to bring GT into it, it becomes a total stomp. Uub is Kid Buu reborn. After the 15 year time skip Goku fights evenly with Uub using only his base form. That means base form GT Goku = SS3 Buu saga Goku. According to the Super Exciting Guide, SS3 is a power multiplier of 400. Therefore, SS3 GT Goku ~ 400x > SS3 Gotenks. Dat training.

#50 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (3865 posts) - - Show Bio

@morgrim: Gohan was not the strongest at the tournament. Goku was and Gohan was stated to be the strongest non fused warrior AFTER his Mystic powerup