616 Spiderman
Ryu (Ninja Gaiden)
Morals: Off (Not bloodlusted)
Location:
Ryu- Full gear (No magic/ninpo)
Peter- Standard gear.
Random Encounter, start within full view.
30 ft distance.
Win by KO or death.
Couldn't find this so who wins?
616 Spiderman
Ryu (Ninja Gaiden)
Morals: Off (Not bloodlusted)
Location:
Ryu- Full gear (No magic/ninpo)
Peter- Standard gear.
Random Encounter, start within full view.
30 ft distance.
Win by KO or death.
Couldn't find this so who wins?
i wanna hear what a certain bastard has to say about this match. although i agree ryu would win. i wanna hear his opinion along with people who are as knowledgeable as him in terms of marvel characters.
@deathhero61: I know nothing on this guy Ryu.
@homifred: This isnt Sp0ck, 616 Spiderman is Peter Parker.
My apologies (isn't it the same body?). How about amazing spider-man 700.4 in which Peter Parker faced four super villains at once and won while not at full strength. Then there was the time where he defeated firelord...and when he embarrassed gray hulk...
Look Ryu is no slouch in either speed, physical strength or energy projection. However, I don't see him landing private jets (alpha arc) or evading bullets from point blank (grim hunt). Shoryuken or not, Haduko or not, I just don't see it. I mean, the largest Ryu lifted was a boulder. Spider-man supported a portion of the Daily Bugle building (weird arc...seriously).
Then there was the time where he defeated firelord
Warning: If you use that as an actual feat you will be laughed off any spiderman thread.
evading bullets from point blank
It was my understanding Ryu deflects bullets with his sword easily. This is a fair fight.
@deathhero61: I know nothing on this guy Ryu.
Trained intensely from childhood in the ways of Hayabusa Ninjutsu, Ryu had to adapt to survive the harsh ninja life and live up to a birthright placed upon him. Eventually he earned the right to bear the Hayabusa clan legacy in his name and excelled as a top student amongst his peers, gaining skills and abilities that are signature of the Hayabusa Clan Ninja.
These are the many tactical skills utilized by a technical combatant such as Ryu in battles and in navigating through hazardous environments. Ryu starts off with most of these techniques. However, some require the purchase of a scroll or a special event to learn.
Ninpo is the Spiritual and Philosophical Arts, in contrast to Ninjutsu's Martial Arts. Ninpo are Spiritual Arts that require intensive meditative focus to master, as well as secret instructions to initiate them which are usually found in ancient scrolls. Ryu has mastered many of these Ninpo Arts and learned to perform them while on and in water after the Dark Dragon Incident.
Armlets were used in Ninja Gaiden (Xbox) to increase certain attributes. However, as of Ninja Gaiden II, Ryu has more or less mastered all of these attributes and abilities and no longer requires the use of armlets or attribute items from Ninja Gaiden.
Ignore the ninpo section, thats not allowed in this battle.
here is some videos
ryu is physically close enough to handle himself. with have no qualms with killing spiderman. and has weapons. spidey can only win if his morals are off
@stupid_people: @hyperlight: I never believed in that ideology. Please forgive my ignorance. Such vast underestimation is unforgivable. Comparison:
Strength, spider-man can (officially) lift 10 tons (landed a 52 ton jet in the alpha arc. Obviously his limit as he promptly collapsed in agony) while Ryu can lift 1 ton, 3 tons at the most?
Speed: basically equal in terms of reflexes.
Agility: Stan Lee stated that Peter had absolutely no peer in this as is demonstrated throughout his long career especially when he would contort his body to painful positions. (I would assume Spidey would win here...)
Fighting abilities: Created his own version of Spider-fu and has easily triumphed over spider-woman who was also a trained martial artist (though mind controlled in ends of the earth). Ryu, is on a completely different level...(Ryu wins)
With his ninja sense which counteract Peters spider sense, the only advantage Peter has against his adversary is his strength and freakish ability to contort his body impossibly which leads to Spidey's next obstacle...
Durability: Spider-man has survived missile explosions and deadly falls (Marvel Nights) but he how can he survive larva? He can't. Ryu's healing abilities far exceed spider-man who has, in a matter of 3 days, fully healed from having his fleshed seared from his bones (Amazing Spider man 700.3). Ryu wins through superior hand to hand combat (not taking into account the wide range of his arsenal and superior regenerative ability...
Bump
Ryu should be allot more than a 3 tonner. And saying he is a one tonner is hilarious.
Speed: ryu easily stomps spidey in this department, ryu can move fast enough to look like he appears in multiple places at once. Create afterimages, etc.
Agility: i agree spiderman is obviously superior.
Combat skill: ryu won several dead or alive tournaments.
You know what? just look at this video:
@homifred: I think you thought I disagreed with you. I think ryu would win too.. I just said the only chance peter would have is with no morals
ninja gaiden is sooo dope by the way
@homifred: I just said the only chance peter would have is with no morals
"Morals: Off (Not bloodlusted)"
@dbvse7: Not from the looks of it, now is your chance!
@hyperlight: Forgive me for jumping to conclusions; although stupid_people (chuckle) is right. Morals off means spider-man would adopt much less restrictive methods of fighting...so to speak. Meaning no holding back...
@homifred: right....
@deathhero61: Lol! Seriously, all you said is Peter's signature! I mean... just read these:
I strongly dissagree, see the last panel for appearing as if he was in all places at once... With forty times the reflexes of a human being, I see no evidence that Ryu is Spider-man's superior in speed. Equal perhaps, after all, anything Ryu can do and has done, Spider-man has also done. Also, if we are going to use the game verse, Peter was able to form after images with his blistering speed in the game Spider-man: Edges of time. Spider-man isn't considered one of the fastest individuals in marvel for nothing...after all.
@homifred: Look the scans you showed me are unquantifiable. And the one with hulk, was an agility feat, not a speed feat. And ninja gaiden started off as a video game, so you cannot really use game spiderman since the spiderman in the OP was specifically stated to be earth 616. And i don't think you understand by nearly multiple places at once. He can blitz several people in virtually a second. I have yet to see spiderman do such feats.
And if i recall correctly he was dodging attacks from alexei who had lightning level traveling speed.
@deathhero61: Lol, you got me. Nothing in the above videos even hinted at the fact that Raiden was quicker than Spider-man (although those moves were pretty awesome). Spider-man has moved quicker than the human eye and has transversed two miles in 5 seconds. Further, spider-man has done something similar in...well, basically throughout his career. Additionally, appear multiple places at once? Clearly you did not look at the fourth panel above or at least read it. I mean, as spider-man bounced around the room like a "madman" the crooks would yell out he's over here, only for yet another crook to yell out he's over here, almost simultaneously. Like I said, anything Ryu can do (sorry Ryu) Spider-man can perform just as well (speed wise). (Not to mention he tagged lightmaster with ridiculous ease as you can see with the photo below who is rumored to be as fast as light. Alexei, light speeds? True, but spider-man has dodged lightmaster and electro with ridiculous ease (electro is called the living lightning bolt).
@homifred: I don't think you understand something, most of spiderman's combat speed/reaction time feats are mainly his spider-sense doing all the work...... And Ryu moves faster than the eye can see as well. And one of the feats you showed just so happened to be black suit spiderman who is far faster and far stronger than base spiderman. Ryu like i said is easily hypersonic, spiderman is at best is mid supersonic and if i was exaggerating like i usually am about spiderman, massively super sonic. These scans, are basically unquantifiable. Since they are showing trails of where spiderman is for emphasize, on his agility. like the scan for hulk.(who everyone dances around, and out-speeds)
Ryu is just too versatile.
Jmarshmallow
Even without his versatility,(like with only his sword and his martial art skills) he is far more skilled, based off what i seen from both combatants, is far more precise, has better training, and most of his techniques are killing techniques. He would easily kill him with the flying swallow technique.....
Yes, I am well aware of the fact that Spidey's spider sense is the main reason that spider-man is always one step ahead of the game, but all the work? Spidey's extrasensory ability acts as a warning. It then may force Peter in action but it does not make Peter faster. It just gives him a headstart...so to speak. Most of Spider-man's combat speed feats are his own; its not like Ryu lacks a sixth strength either. The scan with the hulk was a demonstration really and you are right of course, it was incongruous. However, to say that all the scans above were out of place is simply not true. The second picture I posted was his running speed in which he easily caught the individual wearing rocket skates. The fourth image displays Spider-man appearing to be everywhere at once to the criminals. The fifth picture has Spider-man storming the tower so quickly, no one could even register him due to his speed. The first image has Peter quickly taking out 6 heroes before they could even react. The tenth image has Peter moving so fast he appeared to disappear to the naked eye. The tenth image has Spider-man quickly dispatching a group of thugs in about a second and never pausing his wisecracking. I never said Ryu couldn't move so quickly he would appear as if he was teleporting which supports the idea that they have similar feats and hence are equal in speed. Supersonic? Hypersonic? Where do you get your info? Outskirts BattleDome wiki? Neither Spider-man nor Ryu is even supersonic despite their speedster feats.
Further, during this period before Spider-man animated series (in the 60's) changed it all the black suit did not empower Spider-man in any way. The only thing it did was give him organic webbing because Spider-man was already far greater than any other peak human. In addition, it empowered Brock because he was peak human, hence he needed to be upgraded (Brock admitted it himself).
Ryu has a pretty huge aresenal, and magical stuff. But, Spidey has fought ninjas before, still has a huge advantage in terms of speed and strength, and the Spider Sense could give him an edge.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here and give the win to Spidey, after a very long fight. Good matchup!
@homifred: I think you were (initially, at least) thinking of a different Ryu. This is not the Street Fighter character. To get an idea of his strength level see this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zvT9yjUAX0g#t=168
At 2:50 he blocks a sword blow from that enormous statue and pushes it back. Other people gave examples of his speed (easily dodge bullets) and his powerful magic (such as being able to summon a giant flaming dragon).
This is a curbstomp in my opinion.
Pretty sure Ryu wins. I dont think its a stomp, because of Spidey's Spider Sense and Agility, but Ryu has dealt with a lot of high level opponents and endured some serious hits.
@deaditegonzo: Ryu stomps.
I'd say that Ryu wins this one. Comparing his speed to that of Spidey's, they're about equal, not counting Ryu's Blink technique which can allow him instantaneous movement. In terms of strength, well Ryu has lifted a 20 ton version of the Dragon Sword to stop it from slicing him in half, and I believe Spidey's lifted about 10 tons at best, so Ryu takes strength. Agility, well Ryu can jump thousands of feet into the air and traverse fluently, but who's to say Spidey can't? So they're equal in agility. Fighting skill. Well, Spider-Man uses his own martial art, the Way of the Spider and is one of Marvel's top fighters, whereas Ryu uses Hayabusa Ninjutsu and has proven himself as one of the world's top fighters by way of winning the second Dead or Alive tournament and stopping the Tengu of Destruction from plunging the planet into chaos. Ryu is also a master of nearly every weapon known to man and has done so in half the time it took others to do. So I'd say Ryu takes fighting skill. Now the most important factor in a battle: The will to win. In a sense, being willing to do anything, go to any length to win a battle. Spidey and his morals won't let him kill, or let anyone die in his presence and he shows mercy too often, whereas Ryu who was trained to never show mercy and take any chance possible to win a battle, will be willing to kill. Though, Ryu's morals say he can't kill anyone not evil, but even so, if it's a battle to the death, Ryu is a Ninja after all, history's deadliest assassin. Ryu wins the battle.
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