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#1 Posted by CosmicCupcake (74 posts) - - Show Bio

Who wins? 

#2 Posted by Shawnbaby (10450 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man pounds him into an inkblot.

Mismatch

#3 Posted by the_mysterious_stranger (76 posts) - - Show Bio

Rorshach uses RAID anti-spider spray

#4 Posted by ComicKID777 (287 posts) - - Show Bio

why oh why is this even a battle?

#5 Posted by JediXMan (29654 posts) - - Show Bio

.... really?

*long pause*

......

.....

... really?

#6 Posted by Strider92 (16133 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-man easily.

#7 Posted by cooljammy18 (836 posts) - - Show Bio

Spiderman one shots him. This shouldn't have been made.

#8 Posted by BlackWind (5558 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

Spider-Man pounds him into an inkblot.

Mismatch

Bye bye Rorschach.

#9 Posted by Shawnbaby (10450 posts) - - Show Bio

Someone should just flag this...I would but my flagging is broken right now

#10 Posted by girugamesh (439 posts) - - Show Bio

Spidey could kill Ozymandias with little effort, Rorshach would get stomped.

#11 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (4917 posts) - - Show Bio

Spidey would stomp all of the Watchmen except Doc Manhattan. This battle is spite.

#12 Posted by JediXMan (29654 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

Someone should just flag this...I would but my flagging is broken right now

Same.

#13 Posted by cooljammy18 (836 posts) - - Show Bio

Took care of it guys. :)

#14 Posted by Shawnbaby (10450 posts) - - Show Bio

@cooljammy18 said:

Took care of it guys. :)

Many thanks

#15 Posted by never give up (9495 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider Man stomps

#16 Posted by nickzambuto (12979 posts) - - Show Bio

Rorschach wins. He's a better fighter. Spidey has problems with skilled characters. Rorschach also fights dirty. Prove me wrong.

#17 Posted by never give up (9495 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

Rorschach wins. He's a better fighter. Spidey has problems with skilled characters. Rorschach also fights dirty. Prove me wrong.

Tempting lol

#18 Posted by Moonchilde (1601 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man stomps on an army of Rorschach's.

#19 Posted by Fetts (4417 posts) - - Show Bio
#20 Posted by D3athstroke (3909 posts) - - Show Bio

I would love to see normal parker vs Rorschach hehehehe

#21 Posted by Shawnbaby (10450 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

Rorschach wins. He's a better fighter. Spidey has problems with skilled characters. Rorschach also fights dirty. Prove me wrong.

Show me a single instance where Rorschach wins against someone with Superior Stats.

I can show you many where Spidey has beaten far better fighters than Rorschach.

Here's a taste:

Rorschach can't hang with the likes of Shang Chi.

#22 Edited by Wolfrazer (6094 posts) - - Show Bio

Rorschach gets a butcher's knife and goes Rorschach on Spiderman, theres a reason why Dr. M did what Rorschach told him to do, he was scared of Rorschach. 
  
 

Best Super Power ever. 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Lol jkin on the first part, but ya Spiderman kills him. They are both street levelers, but Spiderman has powers to help him here.
#23 Posted by nickzambuto (12979 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto said:

Rorschach wins. He's a better fighter. Spidey has problems with skilled characters. Rorschach also fights dirty. Prove me wrong.

Show me a single instance where Rorschach wins against someone with Superior Stats.

I can show you many where Spidey has beaten far better fighters than Rorschach.

Here's a taste:

Rorschach can't hang with the likes of Shang Chi.

Shang Chi is an alright martial artist I guess, but Rorschach fights dirty. He's also a thinker, far better tactician than Shang. He can outsmart Spider-Man who, let's be honest, has always been a bit short on common sense.

#24 Posted by BlackWind (5558 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: Lol.

#25 Posted by SuperVegito (15 posts) - - Show Bio

Spiderman is just to fast.

#26 Edited by Shawnbaby (10450 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto said:

Rorschach wins. He's a better fighter. Spidey has problems with skilled characters. Rorschach also fights dirty. Prove me wrong.

Show me a single instance where Rorschach wins against someone with Superior Stats.

I can show you many where Spidey has beaten far better fighters than Rorschach.

Here's a taste:

Rorschach can't hang with the likes of Shang Chi.

Shang Chi is an alright martial artist I guess, but Rorschach fights dirty. He's also a thinker, far better tactician than Shang. He can outsmart Spider-Man who, let's be honest, has always been a bit short on common sense.

Rorschach is a mid-level H2H fighter at best. Him and Nite Owl together were less of a match for Ozymandias than a 60+ year old Comedian was.

If you don't care much for Shang Chi...How about Wolverine?

Or perhaps Daken? He fights Dirty too.

I can do this dance all night, boy. Come At Me.

#27 Posted by nickzambuto (12979 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto said:

Rorschach wins. He's a better fighter. Spidey has problems with skilled characters. Rorschach also fights dirty. Prove me wrong.

Show me a single instance where Rorschach wins against someone with Superior Stats.

I can show you many where Spidey has beaten far better fighters than Rorschach.

Here's a taste:

Rorschach can't hang with the likes of Shang Chi.

Shang Chi is an alright martial artist I guess, but Rorschach fights dirty. He's also a thinker, far better tactician than Shang. He can outsmart Spider-Man who, let's be honest, has always been a bit short on common sense.

Rorschach is a mid-level H2H fighter at best. Him and Nite Owl together were less of a match for Ozymandias than a 60+ year old Comedian was.

Ozymandias caught a bullet and beat Dr. Manhatten, when Spider-Man tried to catch a bullet he got shot.

The police sent out an entire batallion just for Rorschach and still barely nabbed him, compared to Spider-Man who loses to Daredevil who gets his leg broken by Punisher who gets arrested by just two officers.

And Nite Owl would beat Spider-Man too btw (with prep)

#28 Posted by cooljammy18 (836 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

Rorschach wins. He's a better fighter. Spidey has problems with skilled characters. Rorschach also fights dirty. Prove me wrong.

You get a 1/10 for no effort.

#29 Posted by cooljammy18 (836 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto said:

Rorschach wins. He's a better fighter. Spidey has problems with skilled characters. Rorschach also fights dirty. Prove me wrong.

Show me a single instance where Rorschach wins against someone with Superior Stats.

I can show you many where Spidey has beaten far better fighters than Rorschach.

Here's a taste:

Rorschach can't hang with the likes of Shang Chi.

Shang Chi is an alright martial artist I guess, but Rorschach fights dirty. He's also a thinker, far better tactician than Shang. He can outsmart Spider-Man who, let's be honest, has always been a bit short on common sense.

Rorschach is a mid-level H2H fighter at best. Him and Nite Owl together were less of a match for Ozymandias than a 60+ year old Comedian was.

If you don't care much for Shang Chi...How about Wolverine?

Or perhaps Daken? He fights Dirty too.

I can do this dance all night, boy. Come At Me.

Nothing even suggests that he's at least mid-level.

#30 Posted by nickzambuto (12979 posts) - - Show Bio

@cooljammy18 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto said:

Rorschach wins. He's a better fighter. Spidey has problems with skilled characters. Rorschach also fights dirty. Prove me wrong.

Show me a single instance where Rorschach wins against someone with Superior Stats.

I can show you many where Spidey has beaten far better fighters than Rorschach.

Here's a taste:

Rorschach can't hang with the likes of Shang Chi.

Shang Chi is an alright martial artist I guess, but Rorschach fights dirty. He's also a thinker, far better tactician than Shang. He can outsmart Spider-Man who, let's be honest, has always been a bit short on common sense.

Rorschach is a mid-level H2H fighter at best. Him and Nite Owl together were less of a match for Ozymandias than a 60+ year old Comedian was.

If you don't care much for Shang Chi...How about Wolverine?

Or perhaps Daken? He fights Dirty too.

I can do this dance all night, boy. Come At Me.

Nothing even suggests that he's at least mid-level.

Exactly. Spider-Man is not mid-level, not even close. Not surprised though coming from the guy with a Spider-Man icon...

#31 Posted by cooljammy18 (836 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@cooljammy18 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto said:

Rorschach wins. He's a better fighter. Spidey has problems with skilled characters. Rorschach also fights dirty. Prove me wrong.

Show me a single instance where Rorschach wins against someone with Superior Stats.

I can show you many where Spidey has beaten far better fighters than Rorschach.

Here's a taste:

Rorschach can't hang with the likes of Shang Chi.

Shang Chi is an alright martial artist I guess, but Rorschach fights dirty. He's also a thinker, far better tactician than Shang. He can outsmart Spider-Man who, let's be honest, has always been a bit short on common sense.

Rorschach is a mid-level H2H fighter at best. Him and Nite Owl together were less of a match for Ozymandias than a 60+ year old Comedian was.

If you don't care much for Shang Chi...How about Wolverine?

Or perhaps Daken? He fights Dirty too.

I can do this dance all night, boy. Come At Me.

Nothing even suggests that he's at least mid-level.

Exactly. Spider-Man is not mid-level, not even close. Not surprised though coming from the guy with a Spider-Man icon...

Do you want me to spank you back to IGN?

#32 Posted by Dernman (14763 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man makes Rorschach use his mask as a rag to clean MJ's kitchen.

Online
#33 Posted by Shawnbaby (10450 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@cooljammy18 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto said:

Rorschach wins. He's a better fighter. Spidey has problems with skilled characters. Rorschach also fights dirty. Prove me wrong.

Show me a single instance where Rorschach wins against someone with Superior Stats.

I can show you many where Spidey has beaten far better fighters than Rorschach.

Here's a taste:

Rorschach can't hang with the likes of Shang Chi.

Shang Chi is an alright martial artist I guess, but Rorschach fights dirty. He's also a thinker, far better tactician than Shang. He can outsmart Spider-Man who, let's be honest, has always been a bit short on common sense.

Rorschach is a mid-level H2H fighter at best. Him and Nite Owl together were less of a match for Ozymandias than a 60+ year old Comedian was.

If you don't care much for Shang Chi...How about Wolverine?

Or perhaps Daken? He fights Dirty too.

I can do this dance all night, boy. Come At Me.

Nothing even suggests that he's at least mid-level.

Exactly. Spider-Man is not mid-level, not even close. Not surprised though coming from the guy with a Spider-Man icon...

Well, Prove to us that Rorschach has these great skills that can take on Spider-Man. So Far, you've been a lot of talk...but really light on proof.Call me a Fanboy if you like...I can back up my claims with proof...you have shown us nothing.

#34 Posted by cooljammy18 (836 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he's screwing around. I like Rorschach, but he is only good for wallpaper use. There, I said it. He's a threat against serial killers devoid of actual combat skill and pathetic cops, but as evidence shown, he got thrashed against a skilled and physically superior opponent. In fact, up until his fight with Ozy there was no actual definite feat of H2H skill from him. Nite Owl and Silk Spectre are arguably more skilled due to their plentiful of feats. Spidey one shots here.

#35 Posted by nickzambuto (12979 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto said:

@cooljammy18 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto said:

Rorschach wins. He's a better fighter. Spidey has problems with skilled characters. Rorschach also fights dirty. Prove me wrong.

Show me a single instance where Rorschach wins against someone with Superior Stats.

I can show you many where Spidey has beaten far better fighters than Rorschach.

Here's a taste:

Rorschach can't hang with the likes of Shang Chi.

Shang Chi is an alright martial artist I guess, but Rorschach fights dirty. He's also a thinker, far better tactician than Shang. He can outsmart Spider-Man who, let's be honest, has always been a bit short on common sense.

Rorschach is a mid-level H2H fighter at best. Him and Nite Owl together were less of a match for Ozymandias than a 60+ year old Comedian was.

If you don't care much for Shang Chi...How about Wolverine?

Or perhaps Daken? He fights Dirty too.

I can do this dance all night, boy. Come At Me.

Nothing even suggests that he's at least mid-level.

Exactly. Spider-Man is not mid-level, not even close. Not surprised though coming from the guy with a Spider-Man icon...

Well, Prove to us that Rorschach has these great skills that can take on Spider-Man. So Far, you've been a lot of talk...but really light on proof.Call me a Fanboy if you like...I can back up my claims with proof...you have shown us nothing.

LOL ok here you go!

Rorschach is a natural fighter even as a child and knows how to fight dirty

Easily breaks into Nite Owl's mansion (Kraven can sneak up on Spider-Man imagine what Rorschach will do)

Breaks into the Comedian's apartment and discovers his secret identity (more stealth; if he can figure out Comedian's identity it'll take him an hour to do it to Parker. Everyone else already has)

A heavily guarded military base is easily without effort broken into by Rorschach.

Rorschach also owned dozens of thugs during the prison break, easily. Spider-Man can barely handle three before they grab him.

Rorschach is 10 times stronger and more skilled than those canon fodder who subdued Spider-Man.

#36 Posted by Shawnbaby (10450 posts) - - Show Bio

@cooljammy18 said:

I think he's screwing around. I like Rorschach, but he is only good for wallpaper use. There, I said it. He's a threat against serial killers devoid of actual combat skill and pathetic cops, but as evidence shown, he got thrashed against a skilled and physically superior opponent. In fact, up until his fight with Ozy there was no actual definite feat of H2H skill from him. Nite Owl and Silk Spectre are arguably more skilled due to their plentiful of feats. Spidey one shots here.

I'm also fairly certain he's screwing around. Fact of the matter is...Rorschach has no feats above taking down street thugs. The only fight he has against someone with any amount of skill at all he has Nite Owl fighting on his side and they both get worked in an embarrassing fashion.

#37 Edited by Shawnbaby (10450 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto:

Spider-Man taking on well over 10 men at once easily.

Rorschach broke into Nite Owl's Mansion when he wasn't at home. No points for Stealth there. He couldn't even pick the lock...had to force the door open.

Beating up a couple street kids is not impressive.

Sneaking into a military base? that's Super-hero 101 stuff.

Figuring out Comedian's ID? He pressed a button on a wall and found a suit. Even if he could figure out Parker's ID...doesn't matter...Random Encounter.

C'mon Nick...you're boring me here.

#38 Edited by cooljammy18 (836 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@cooljammy18 said:

I think he's screwing around. I like Rorschach, but he is only good for wallpaper use. There, I said it. He's a threat against serial killers devoid of actual combat skill and pathetic cops, but as evidence shown, he got thrashed against a skilled and physically superior opponent. In fact, up until his fight with Ozy there was no actual definite feat of H2H skill from him. Nite Owl and Silk Spectre are arguably more skilled due to their plentiful of feats. Spidey one shots here.

I'm also fairly certain he's screwing around. Fact of the matter is...Rorschach has no feats above taking down street thugs. The only fight he has against someone with any amount of skill at all he has Nite Owl fighting on his side and they both get worked in an embarrassing fashion.

He doesn't even have a feat for that hardly lol. Only thing he ever did was dwarf the cops for a while, broke some chump's fingers, counter a bigger idiot with a saw and let him electrocute himself, killed a midget in a bathroom and got ROFL-stomped by Ozy. Watchmen fanboys baffle me when they think he can stand in the same room as Batman, Daredevil, Cassandra Cain or Punisher. Some guys off of KMC made a thread where the majority agreed he would "stomp" Nightwing. Having a cool looking mask and enigmatic persona doesn't make you a competent fighter you crazy people. lol

LOL 8/10 for good effort. :p

I haven't read the "Before Watchmen" novels so if he did any worthy of noting, please let me know. He still loses though, but I would like to think of him being a more credible threat to established characters.

#39 Posted by nickzambuto (12979 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto:

Spider-Man taking on well over 10 men at once easily.

Hyperbole. Barely 7 guys actually appeared on panel at once. Spider-Man was probably just so amazed that he managed to beat 7 guys that he got full of himself for a minute. Rorschach beat way more goons then that during the prison break, and even then 7 guys is a complete insonsisentcy considering the scans I posted of Spider-Man being subdued by 3.

#40 Edited by Shawnbaby (10450 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

Spider-Man taking on well over 10 men at once easily.

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto:

Hyperbole. Barely 7 guys actually appeared on panel at once. Spider-Man was probably just so amazed that he managed to beat 7 guys that he got full of himself for a minute. Rorschach beat way more goons then that during the prison break, and even then 7 guys is a complete insonsisentcy considering the scans I posted of Spider-Man being subdued by 3.

No Hyperbole..It says there are Exactly one hundred and seventeen baddies. And My two scans show far more consistency than your 1

#41 Posted by Shawnbaby (10450 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: C'mon Nick...if you just wanted to see some scans of how Awesome Spidey is...you could have just PM'ed me...there's no need to embarrass yourself like this :D

#42 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (16129 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dernman said:

Spider-Man makes Rorschach use his mask as a rag to clean MJ's kitchen.

That would make his spider sense drive him mad. Who would want rorschach in their house?

#43 Posted by nickzambuto (12979 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto: C'mon Nick...if you just wanted to see some scans of how Awesome Spidey is...you could have just PM'ed me...there's no need to embarrass yourself like this :D

lol I don't need you're PIS scans. I know what Spider-Man is capable of. You know that that is? Getting his ass kicked by people with skill.

Spider-Man might be strong but he's a terrible fighter. No amount of CANON FODDER feats is gonna change that. Rorschach beats him easily just like all other decent fighters have in the past.

#44 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (16129 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby:

Rorschach: Spiderman stomps me. Hard. No budy cares. No body cares but nickzambuto. Hrm.

#45 Posted by Shawnbaby (10450 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto:

Hmm...this time here Spider-Man beats Daredevil...even though his Spider-Sense is on the Fritz and he's fighting irrationally. Even DD admits that if he lets up on Spidey for a second...he's done.

Also, Your scans might mean something if you could prove Rorschach had anything close to the skill levels of Cap, Frank, and Matt. Where are your scans showing Rorschach can fight at all?

And those scans are all before the Way of the Spider training.

#46 Posted by Sufferthorn (1734 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto:

ROFL.

It's true Spidey didn't catch that one bullet. But he can do this.

Spider-Man is MUCH MUCH stronger than Rorshach as well, not to mention MUCH FASTER

He can fight enemies stronger than him as well.

Rorhsach is not as strong as Spider-Man by ANY means.

Also....if i may ask, what is going to stop Rorshach from being Incapacitated by Spidey's webbing? Iron Man certainly had problems..

And so did Wolverine...

#47 Edited by nickzambuto (12979 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto:

Hmm...this time here Spider-Man beats Daredevil...even though his Spider-Sense is on the Fritz and he's fighting irrationally. Even DD admits that if he lets up on Spidey for a second...he's done.

Also, Your scans might mean something if you could prove Rorschach had anything close to the skill levels of Cap, Frank, and Matt. Where are your scans showing Rorschach can fight at all?

And those scans are all before the Way of the Spider training.

LOL Way of the Spider training? Like that means anything, Shang Chi toyed around with Peter, even though Spider-Man had a MASSIVE stat advantage.

So much for spider speed LOL!

Punisher was arrested by two cops.

A SWAT batallion barely nabbed Rorschach, and even then I've heard arguments that that was PIS.

Rorschach just ghosts right through heavily guarded government bases, easily, and demolishes dozens of hardened thugs all at once during the prison break.

Spider-Man can't even not get his ass kicked by anyone who calls themselves a martial artist.

http://img349.imageshack.us/my.php?...an16pg109ln.jpg

http://img349.imageshack.us/my.php?...an16pg117ay.jpg

http://img349.imageshack.us/my.php?image=34lu.jpg

http://img349.imageshack.us/my.php?image=44wk.jpg

Spider-Man was bloodlusted and Daredevil just toyed with him.

#48 Posted by Shawnbaby (10450 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's Spidey easily making fools out of a bunch of ninjas. When has Rorschach ever beat Ninjas?

Here's Spidey Outclassing Iron Man. When has Rorschach ever contended with someone like him?

The Infamous SpeedBlitz of Firelord. Not even with PIS could Rorschach hope to stand against such a foe.

#49 Edited by Shawnbaby (10450 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto:

Hmm...this time here Spider-Man beats Daredevil...even though his Spider-Sense is on the Fritz and he's fighting irrationally. Even DD admits that if he lets up on Spidey for a second...he's done.

Also, Your scans might mean something if you could prove Rorschach had anything close to the skill levels of Cap, Frank, and Matt. Where are your scans showing Rorschach can fight at all?

And those scans are all before the Way of the Spider training.

LOL Way of the Spider training? Like that means anything, Shang Chi toyed around with Peter, even though Spider-Man had a MASSIVE stat advantage.

So much for spider speed LOL!

Punisher was arrested by two cops.

A SWAT batallion barely nabbed Rorschach, and even then I've heard arguments that that was PIS.

Rorschach just ghosts right through heavily guarded government bases, easily, and demolishes dozens of hardened thugs all at once during the prison break.

Spider-Man can't even not get his ass kicked by anyone who calls themselves a martial artist.

http://img349.imageshack.us/my.php?...an16pg109ln.jpg

http://img349.imageshack.us/my.php?...an16pg117ay.jpg

http://img349.imageshack.us/my.php?image=34lu.jpg

http://img349.imageshack.us/my.php?image=44wk.jpg

Spider-Man was bloodlusted and Daredevil just toyed with him.

@nickzambuto: Again, A lot of talk and low-balling of Spider-Man...but you STILL can't produce an actual scan of Rorschach doing anything at all worth noticing.

Bloodlusted? He wasn't Bloodlusted...he was under Mind Control from the Ringmaster and had to wait for instructions to do anything.

Even though DD sees the punch coming...he still isn't fast enough to dodge it.
#50 Posted by nickzambuto (12979 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@nickzambuto: Again, A lot of talk and low-balling of Spider-Man...but you STILL can't produce an actual scan of Rorschach doing anything at all worth noticing.

LOL look at the last page! I showed proof for everything I said! Look, here's more!

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Ac...terrogation.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Ac...errogation1.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Ac...errogation2.jpg

He makes fools of the most hardcore street gang around, easily

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Ac...hach/Framed.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Ac...ach/Framed1.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Ac...ach/Framed2.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Ac...ach/Framed3.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Ac...ach/Framed4.jpg

Here he displays his superhuman tactical ability, coming up with a full battleplan to deal with a SWAT batallion in less then 30 seconds, then acts it out perfectly. Dozens of trained cops fall to Rorschach, then he tanks falling several stories out the window.

What did Spazzer-Man - I mean Spider-Man do again?