" Iron Fist wins. He's already stalemated SpideMan without his Chi. With it, he should be able to take Spidey down. "
I know but do think his iron spider suit will give him better chances. "
Possibly, but I don't think it would make too much difference. Rand has some pretty impressive feats when utilizing his Chi. "
How is Danny without the assistance of his chi able to stalemate Pete when I read it I couldn’t believe it his stats are all below Pete, accept for fighting skills, without his chi, that alone is a very impressive feat for any street leveler.
" Iron Fist wins. He's already stalemated SpideMan without his Chi. With it, he should be able to take Spidey down. "
I know but do think his iron spider suit will give him better chances. "
Possibly, but I don't think it would make too much difference. Rand has some pretty impressive feats when utilizing his Chi. "
How is Danny without the assistance of his chi able to stalemate Pete when I read it I couldn’t believe it his stats are all below Pete, accept for fighting skills, without his chi, that alone is a very impressive feat for any street leveler.
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It's because Spidey's not a trained combatant. Others with significantly lower physical stats have done that also. Cap, DD, and Elektra are a few.
" Iron Fist wins. He's already stalemated SpideMan without his Chi. With it, he should be able to take Spidey down. "
I know but do think his iron spider suit will give him better chances. "
Possibly, but I don't think it would make too much difference. Rand has some pretty impressive feats when utilizing his Chi. "
How is Danny without the assistance of his chi able to stalemate Pete when I read it I couldn’t believe it his stats are all below Pete, accept for fighting skills, without his chi, that alone is a very impressive feat for any street leveler.
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It's because Spidey's not a trained combatant. Others with significantly lower physical stats have done that also. Cap, DD, and Elektra are a few.
Yea Matt always gives spidey trouble,i alway considered Daredevil somewhat superhuman due to his echolocation like site,
" Iron Fist wins. He's already stalemated SpideMan without his Chi. With it, he should be able to take Spidey down. "
Hmm? Seems to me that Spidey was handling him pretty decently and Iron Fist had home field advantage "
He did well against him though, and they've had another fight also. Besides, Spidey had to get serious in that fight because he realized Iron Fist was too skilled for him to goof around. It doesn't really matter anyway. If he has Chi, he'll take Spidey down one way or another.
"He did well against him though, and they've had another fight also. Besides, Spidey had to get serious in that fight because he realized Iron Fist was too skilled for him to goof around. It doesn't really matter anyway. If he has Chi, he'll take Spidey down one way or another. "
Spider-Man let Iron Fist get the first two hits on him(the nerve pinch and the kick of the building) and his only other hit was when he had to use his building's security defenses to distract Spider-Man. The rest of the fight was Spider-Man beating him and Spider-Man came out without a scratch even though Iron Fist had the home field advantage.
"He did well against him though, and they've had another fight also. Besides, Spidey had to get serious in that fight because he realized Iron Fist was too skilled for him to goof around. It doesn't really matter anyway. If he has Chi, he'll take Spidey down one way or another. "
Spider-Man let Iron Fist get the first two hits on him(the nerve pinch and the kick of the building) and his only other hit was when he had to use his building's security defenses to distract Spider-Man. The rest of the fight was Spider-Man beating him and Spider-Man came out without a scratch even though Iron Fist had the home field advantage. "
As I said, they've had another fight where it was more evenly matched.
"He did well against him though, and they've had another fight also. Besides, Spidey had to get serious in that fight because he realized Iron Fist was too skilled for him to goof around. It doesn't really matter anyway. If he has Chi, he'll take Spidey down one way or another. "
Spider-Man let Iron Fist get the first two hits on him(the nerve pinch and the kick of the building) and his only other hit was when he had to use his building's security defenses to distract Spider-Man. The rest of the fight was Spider-Man beating him and Spider-Man came out without a scratch even though Iron Fist had the home field advantage. "
As I said, they've had another fight where it was more evenly matched. "
I'm assuming that is PIS. Without having enhanced reflexes to keep up with Spider-Man, no amount of "skill" should make up for that. I haven't read that fight, maybe they gave a reasoning behind it. I'm not saying Spider-Man wins this fight(I know Iron Fist has been upgraded and I'm not familiar with him his current version), but there is no reason Iron Fist should beat Spider-Man except for plot.
"He did well against him though, and they've had another fight also. Besides, Spidey had to get serious in that fight because he realized Iron Fist was too skilled for him to goof around. It doesn't really matter anyway. If he has Chi, he'll take Spidey down one way or another. "
Spider-Man let Iron Fist get the first two hits on him(the nerve pinch and the kick of the building) and his only other hit was when he had to use his building's security defenses to distract Spider-Man. The rest of the fight was Spider-Man beating him and Spider-Man came out without a scratch even though Iron Fist had the home field advantage. "
As I said, they've had another fight where it was more evenly matched. "
I'm assuming that is PIS. Without having enhanced reflexes to keep up with Spider-Man, no amount of "skill" should make up for that. I haven't read that fight, maybe they gave a reasoning behind it. I'm not saying Spider-Man wins this fight(I know Iron Fist has been upgraded and I'm not familiar with him his current version), but there is no reason Iron Fist should beat Spider-Man except for plot. "
That's not true. Several skilled martial artists without superhuman physical attributes have shown to give him a very hard time on several occasions.
"He did well against him though, and they've had another fight also. Besides, Spidey had to get serious in that fight because he realized Iron Fist was too skilled for him to goof around. It doesn't really matter anyway. If he has Chi, he'll take Spidey down one way or another. "
Spider-Man let Iron Fist get the first two hits on him(the nerve pinch and the kick of the building) and his only other hit was when he had to use his building's security defenses to distract Spider-Man. The rest of the fight was Spider-Man beating him and Spider-Man came out without a scratch even though Iron Fist had the home field advantage. "
As I said, they've had another fight where it was more evenly matched. "
I'm assuming that is PIS. Without having enhanced reflexes to keep up with Spider-Man, no amount of "skill" should make up for that. I haven't read that fight, maybe they gave a reasoning behind it. I'm not saying Spider-Man wins this fight(I know Iron Fist has been upgraded and I'm not familiar with him his current version), but there is no reason Iron Fist should beat Spider-Man except for plot. "
That's not true. Several skilled martial artists without superhuman physical attributes have shown to give him a very hard time on several occasions. "
Most of which can be explain through plot reasons.
"He did well against him though, and they've had another fight also. Besides, Spidey had to get serious in that fight because he realized Iron Fist was too skilled for him to goof around. It doesn't really matter anyway. If he has Chi, he'll take Spidey down one way or another. "
Spider-Man let Iron Fist get the first two hits on him(the nerve pinch and the kick of the building) and his only other hit was when he had to use his building's security defenses to distract Spider-Man. The rest of the fight was Spider-Man beating him and Spider-Man came out without a scratch even though Iron Fist had the home field advantage. "
As I said, they've had another fight where it was more evenly matched. "
I'm assuming that is PIS. Without having enhanced reflexes to keep up with Spider-Man, no amount of "skill" should make up for that. I haven't read that fight, maybe they gave a reasoning behind it. I'm not saying Spider-Man wins this fight(I know Iron Fist has been upgraded and I'm not familiar with him his current version), but there is no reason Iron Fist should beat Spider-Man except for plot. "
That's not true. Several skilled martial artists without superhuman physical attributes have shown to give him a very hard time on several occasions. "
Most of which can be explain through plot reasons. "
It's not PIS if it's consistent, and it is a consistency for skilled martial artists to hold their own against SpiderMan. He won't one-shot them because he always pulls his punches against opponents weaker than he is, and he lacks the sheer skill of Marvel's top combatants. They are of course physically outmatched by him, but they make up for it with their superior fighting and tactical abilities.
@Silver2467: Actually in their fights,iron fist used chi. If you noticed better, in the scan where iron fist punched him, he used his chi! He stated that his chi is unfocused but that doesn't change the fact that he used it. Also, their first fight wasn't more even. If iron fist didn't use chi to get free from the web, he would lose.=]
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Also spidey wasn't serious in any of their fights.
Iron Fist. He has destroyed a 90,000 ton freight train moving like 250 mph with a Chi charged punch, he has fought Demons from the Ninth world and killed them, he has knocked out Luke Cage with a chi punch(and Cage is more durable). Spidey is pretty much out of his league. I'm not saying he destroys Spidey, spidey does have speed, agility, and can bounce around at higher levels, but Iron Fist will get a hit and will win.
" @Rothschild:@Jake Fury: Norman Osborn was using a simulation to brain-wash Danny. "
So then I wouldnt be wrong to disregard that scan... Training no matter how "realistic" cant compare to the variables of an actual combatant "
It wasn't training, it was a simulation. Think the danger room, but Iron Fist isn't holding back. "
Simulation/Training same difference... I was simply saying it was not him actually fighting those characters so I am disregarding that scan you dont have to, i'm saying I am
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