#1 Edited by Bucketz (821 posts) - - Show Bio

No Prep

Rules: Fight Till Death/Incapacitation

Setting: Large mall with multiple stores and stands.

Preferably provide reasoning on why whichever team would be victorious.

VS.

#2 Posted by Bucketz (821 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone?

#3 Posted by New_World_Order (13516 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man & Colossus.

#4 Posted by laflux (17548 posts) - - Show Bio

No one on team one can put down Mr Fantastic.

#5 Edited by henrik (562 posts) - - Show Bio

Sabertooth can kill Spider-man , during this Colossus fights with Mr Fantastic . After this Sabertooth joins Mr Fantastic . Colossus probably knocks out ( I think he cant kill him . ) Mr Fantastic , but he cant handle Sabertooth , so team 2 wins . ( Colossus might be able to kill Sabertooth , but after his fight with Mr Fantastic , he is tired , bleeding , his bones are broken , etc . )

#6 Posted by MisterWhisper (2198 posts) - - Show Bio

@henrik:

Do you even read comics?

Mr. Fantastic is not going to get knocked out.

Sabertooth would have to get very very lucky to be able to beat Spiderman, he may have like a 5% chance.

If my some miracle he is able to deal with Spiderman, which would have to have Peter dieing of a heart attack or something, he has no chance against Colossus.

Colossus is not going to get broken bones, be tired, or any bleeding from fighting Mr. Fantastic.

Neither Colossus or Mr. fantastic are going to be able to hurt each other. Reed might throw Colossus around a bit but won't hurt him, and he is also almost impervious to the kinds of attacks Colossus and Spiderman dish out.

Team Pete/Pioter's only chance against Reed is to try and set the building on fire or spark a gas line, Reed is not nearly as invulnerable to fire.

#7 Edited by henrik (562 posts) - - Show Bio

@misterwhisper:OK

You are right in the Colossus , Mr Fantastic part . But Sabretooh can beat Spider-man . (I checked out some forums , and 80% of the people sad , that Spider man can beat Sabretooth . I think they just underrate Sabretooths abilities . He is fast , strong , bloodlusted etc . Spider-man is faster , but I dont think so that he is stronger . He can slow Sabretooth down with his webs , but once he caches him , he wins .

The other thing is : I sad you are right in the Colossus , Mr Fantastic part . You are maybe right . But as you sad "Team Pete/Pioter's only chance against Reed is to try and set the building on fire or spark a gas line, Reed is not nearly as invulnerable to fire." . That is true . You sad 9 months ago , that :

"The difference here being that Mr. Fantastic is highly resistant to blunt force and quite resistant to other physical impacts, he is not however very resistant to things like temperature differences and such.

Colossus however is. He could use that to his advantage. " and you also sad , that "Environmental uses, Colossus has electrocuted himself and started fires and many other things to beat his opponents because he has known he could take it and they couldn't." So he can start a fire !

And after this Sabretooth beats Colossus .

Thats why I think its Team 2 who can win this fight .

( And Yes , I read comics :))

#8 Posted by Bo88gdan (4647 posts) - - Show Bio

Colossus solos

#9 Posted by MisterWhisper (2198 posts) - - Show Bio

@henrik:

I do not see Sabertooth beating Colossus. Unless this is adamantium laced bone and claw sabertooth. Otherwise he can not hurt him.

#10 Edited by omegablast452 (2426 posts) - - Show Bio

lol at people saying Mister Fantastic can't get knocked out

Spider-man vs Bishop, Wonderman, Radiation Man, some guy in white, and Mr. Fantastic.

he's so spectacular in not getting knocked out, I mean for real.

#11 Posted by henrik (562 posts) - - Show Bio

@misterwhisper: 1 . You are most probably right in that . (I hope this is adamantium laced bone and claw Sabretooth . )

2 . But it has a chance , that , after Colossus is bleeding (Yes , he can bleed . I found this at Marvel . com " Can Colossus bleed ?

Yes, Omega Red once squeezed his arm until the metal started ripping " , and Mr Fantastic can easily squeez his arm . ) Colossus is bleeding , and Sabretooth can bite him , scratch his wounds , and I think that can be painful . If Sabretooth is bloodlusted enough (and I think he is , ) than he might win .

Anyway , I think we all can agree on that this is a great battle ! :)

#12 Edited by jashro44 (25422 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't Reed hurt Namor before? I saw the scan somewhere....

#13 Posted by Strider92 (16837 posts) - - Show Bio
#14 Posted by laflux (17548 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

Didn't Reed hurt Namor before? I saw the scan somewhere....

Yes, he put 70 percent of his Body mass into his fist to do so.

@bucketz: Is this Pete as Spider-man?

Given standard rules, it would Ult Peter yes :P

#15 Edited by Strider92 (16837 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: I'm just checking as Ult Pete is the only Spider-man who has no way of beating Reed lol!

#16 Posted by laflux (17548 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: I'm just checking as Ult Pete is the only Spider-man who has no way of beating Reed lol!

TBH I would say 616 Peter Parker as Spider-Man could only beat Reed due to tech (mostly acidic webbing and cryo pellets. Unless I'm missing something.

#17 Posted by Strider92 (16837 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: Yeah thats what i was getting at. 616 Pete has cyro and SpOck has claws. Ult Pete really has no way of hurting Reed at all.

#18 Posted by laflux (17548 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: Yeah thats what i was getting at. 616 Pete has cyro and SpOck has claws. Ult Pete really has no way of hurting Reed at all.

I don't think SpOck could hurt Reed with his claws. Wolverine was unable to claws through Reed in enemy of the state, so I doubt he would do any better.

#19 Posted by Strider92 (16837 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: Really? You got scans of this? I would have thought penetrative damage would have hurt Reed O.O

#20 Posted by theDCkid (891 posts) - - Show Bio

I say team one wins.

#21 Edited by God_Spawn (38312 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: Really? You got scans of this? I would have thought penetrative damage would have hurt Reed O.O

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#22 Posted by Strider92 (16837 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: Cheers. Hmm thats interesting guess SpOk can't hurt him either.

#23 Posted by omegablast452 (2426 posts) - - Show Bio

lol at people saying Mister Fantastic can't get knocked out

he's so spectacular in not getting knocked out, I mean for real.

#24 Edited by laflux (17548 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92 said:

@laflux: Really? You got scans of this? I would have thought penetrative damage would have hurt Reed O.O

The Champ has spoken :P

#25 Posted by tparks (5398 posts) - - Show Bio

Stale-mate between Colossus and Mr Fantastic. I think Mr Fantastic and Sabretooth have the edge though, assuming this is adamantium Sabretooth. Either way, Mr Fantastic and Colossus are just going to be a big tangled mess until they get bored of not damaging each other in a fight that is going no where.

#26 Posted by jashro44 (25422 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: I think he could take 616 colossus in that case (assuming that showing isn't PIS). All though I am not sure if that's ultimate or 616 colossus in the picture. I am not sure if reed can beat ultimate colossus.

#27 Posted by pooty (11722 posts) - - Show Bio

lol at people saying Mister Fantastic can't get knocked out

he's so spectacular in not getting knocked out, I mean for real.

Where did it show Reed getting KOéd by Spidey? It shows him getting pushed back. Does the rest of the scan show Reed unconscious?

#28 Posted by omegablast452 (2426 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:
@omegablast452 said:

lol at people saying Mister Fantastic can't get knocked out

he's so spectacular in not getting knocked out, I mean for real.

Where did it show Reed getting KOéd by Spidey? It shows him getting pushed back. Does the rest of the scan show Reed unconscious?

Nope that's the end of the scan it just skips to Iron Man.

Esta señores es la unica escena que convierte a Civil War en oro.
but as for the argument, Spidey owns Reed
/debate.
#29 Posted by pooty (11722 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:
@omegablast452 said:

lol at people saying Mister Fantastic can't get knocked out

he's so spectacular in not getting knocked out, I mean for real.

Where did it show Reed getting KOéd by Spidey? It shows him getting pushed back. Does the rest of the scan show Reed unconscious?

Nope that's the end of the scan it just skips to Iron Man.

but as for the argument, Spidey owns Reed/debate.

That scan is similar to when Thanos blast Galactus through a wall and people say that Thanos can hurt Galactus.

#30 Posted by omegablast452 (2426 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@omegablast452 said:

@pooty said:
@omegablast452 said:

lol at people saying Mister Fantastic can't get knocked out

he's so spectacular in not getting knocked out, I mean for real.

Where did it show Reed getting KOéd by Spidey? It shows him getting pushed back. Does the rest of the scan show Reed unconscious?

Nope that's the end of the scan it just skips to Iron Man.

but as for the argument, Spidey owns Reed/debate.

That scan is similar to when Thanos blast Galactus through a wall and people say that Thanos can hurt Galactus.

True, but there's evidence of Galactus owning Thanos the next pannel

In the Spidey v.s Reed scan the writers left it like that, and obviously they left to show Spidey winning in one hit.

#31 Posted by pooty (11722 posts) - - Show Bio

@omegablast452: No. that is a lot of unsupported assumption. the only thing that scan proves or implies is that Spidey was able to hit Reed. It does not show or imply "winning" or hurting or nothing else. simply hitting.

#32 Posted by omegablast452 (2426 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: Unless you can prove other wise

Spiderman knocked Reed through a glass window ko'ing him (that's what the author implied)

#33 Posted by pooty (11722 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: Unless you can prove other wise

Spiderman knocked Reed through a glass window ko'ing him (that's what the author implied)

You can't prove something that is unseen or unknown. You can only go by what is shown. And the only thing shown is Spidey hitting Reed. We don't see Reed in pain or bleeding or unconscious. I see no reason to assume otherwise

#34 Posted by omegablast452 (2426 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@omegablast452 said:

@pooty: Unless you can prove other wise

Spiderman knocked Reed through a glass window ko'ing him (that's what the author implied)

You can't prove something that is unseen or unknown. You can only go by what is shown. And the only thing shown is Spidey hitting Reed. We don't see Reed in pain or bleeding or unconscious. I see no reason to assume otherwise

Spiderman was shown winning and Reed was showing no resistance

thus Spiderman won due to being quicker and stronger than Reed expected.

believe what you want Spiderman wins unless proven other wise, I have a scan of Spiderman beating Reed Richards while there is no scan of Reed Richards beating Spiderman.

gg I win.
#35 Posted by pooty (11722 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@omegablast452 said:

@pooty: Unless you can prove other wise

Spiderman knocked Reed through a glass window ko'ing him (that's what the author implied)

You can't prove something that is unseen or unknown. You can only go by what is shown. And the only thing shown is Spidey hitting Reed. We don't see Reed in pain or bleeding or unconscious. I see no reason to assume otherwise

Spiderman was shown winning and Reed was showing no resistance

thus Spiderman won due to being quicker and stronger than Reed expected.

believe what you want Spiderman wins unless proven other wise, I have a scan of Spiderman beating Reed Richards while there is no scan of Reed Richards beating Spiderman.

gg I win.

WOW just wow

#36 Edited by jashro44 (25422 posts) - - Show Bio

@omegablast452: @pooty: Reed was not knocked out after the kick by spider-man. His abilities were down played later in the issue but Peter didn't knock him out. The issue is civil war #7.

#37 Edited by omegablast452 (2426 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:
@omegablast452 said:

@pooty said:

@omegablast452 said:

@pooty: Unless you can prove other wise

Spiderman knocked Reed through a glass window ko'ing him (that's what the author implied)

You can't prove something that is unseen or unknown. You can only go by what is shown. And the only thing shown is Spidey hitting Reed. We don't see Reed in pain or bleeding or unconscious. I see no reason to assume otherwise

Spiderman was shown winning and Reed was showing no resistance

thus Spiderman won due to being quicker and stronger than Reed expected.

believe what you want Spiderman wins unless proven other wise, I have a scan of Spiderman beating Reed Richards while there is no scan of Reed Richards beating Spiderman.

gg I win.

WOW just wow

#38 Edited by pooty (11722 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@omegablast452: @pooty: Reed was not knocked out after the kick by spider-man. His abilities were down played later in the issue but Peter didn't knock him out. The issue is civil war #7.

Thanks. I know that. I just got tired of arguing with people making up stuff instead of going off what was actually seen.

#39 Posted by jashro44 (25422 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: No problem and I understand.

#40 Posted by Rickbarry (1853 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm going to assume this Sabretooth is just your average Creed as everyone else is their usual selves.

Even if Creed somehow defeats Spiderman I don't see how either Mr. Fantastic or Creed can get the K.O. on Colossus. When they don't show him jobbing he can tank Hulk/Juggernaut for a period of time. It's pretty much a draw.

#41 Edited by PastePotPete (706 posts) - - Show Bio

@bo88gdan: " colossus solos"this mr fantastic will not able to toss colossus around and Colossus Punches will eventually take their toll on Mr. fantastic like for example if namor and thing really wanted to kill reed they culd

#42 Posted by ComiKing24 (201 posts) - - Show Bio

Warning: I am assuming everyone is their regular selves and are not any special alternate stronger or weaker versions. If this is not regular versions, please tell me politely please. Thank You!

Spider-Man and Colossus win. Spider-Man's senses are one big factor in this battle. I say that because Sabretooth will do a lot of unexpected reckless moves. Spider-Man is also very strong. He can (not 100% if this is accurate) lift up to 10 tons which is equal to lifting a ton over his head. Colossus is also a very big factor in this battle. He is extremely durable. He can withstand falling from extremely tall heights or being shot with large caliber bullets. He is also very good at H2H combat. He was directly trained by Wolverine and Cyclops.

This is my scenario of how the fight would go. First, Spider-Man holds off or possibly defeats Sabretooth. While he is doing that, Colossus would fight Mr. Fantastic and end victorious. If Spider-Man is only able to hold off Sabretooth, then when Colossus finishes Mr. Fantastic, Colossus and Spider-Man can team-up on Sabretooth and defeat him 7.5/10

#43 Posted by MasterKungFu (2582 posts) - - Show Bio

spidey and colossus