Fight is in New York,Spideys have two days prep and morals are on,If things get bad for them they can don venom suits,and if it's still bad they can get help from Venom.
Spiderman and Ben Reily vs Starfire
Some how giving spidey prep and venom as back up, makes it fair, meaning the OP knows nothing about starfire
starfire would win. and the only time i remember spider-man ko'ing the hulk is when he had the captain universe power.
" @Silver2467: Some how giving spidey prep and venom as back up, makes it fair, meaning the OP knows nothing about starfire "Seems like it.
@MarvelJackAss433 said:
" @Silver2467: how did spiderman alone ko the hulk? "By Uni-Power and a PIS showing where, if I remember correctly, he collapsed rubble on him. Not that it translates to this fight anyway. Fighting Hulk is entirely different from fighting Starfire.
regardless,he's beaten some of marvels heaviest hitters alone,juggernaut and Radioctive man are examples.Hell,he even stood up to thor before,he was fast enough to dodge him and smart enough to make him hurt himself.I think with two spiders,Starfire is going to have trouble keeping up without making a bridge fall ontop of her.
i know she's class 100 and she is trained and that she's not too smart in human terms,my idea is that spidey can make her hurt herself.He's done with many other before.
how has spider-man even hurt juggs? i have seen him beat juggs with the help of the x-men. as for starfire. she is much faster, stronger, and she is a more skilled fighter. she has gone toe to toe with wonder woman and donna troy.
He never has. He "beat" Juggernaut by getting lucky and getting Juggernaut to accidentally sink into cement. He also beat Masterson Thor and Firelord, but anyone can see the PIS in that. SpiderMan has a difficult time with street levelers. These fights against high tier powerhouses are nowhere near consistent." @MarvelJackAss433: how has spider-man even hurt juggs?
i just think starfire is a little out of his league. and starfire is a much better fighter than spider-man.
One Spider: MegaStomp
Two Spiders: Stomp
Two Symbiote Spiders: About fair
Two Symbiote Spiders+Venom: Unfair to Starfire (unless berserker rage occurs)
Symbiotes amp their host's strength by ALOT Mac Garg is a 100 or 60 tonner (source trouble) That means if he started out able to lift 15 tons Peter and Ben should also be in the 40-85 range (depending on which source is correct) That would at LEAST be 140 vs 100 tons. If this other source is right (the symbiote bio) Just Pete and Ben with suits would be overpowering. The only way I see Starfire winning against them with symbiotes and/or Venom is if she comes without clothes on. Then she only would have at most Mac to deal with and she could easily beat him alone.
if your are saying she stronger or a better fighter than juggs,you clearly no nothing of him.Stronger and faster than spidey,yes she is.But then again so was venom and carnage,yet he finds ways to beat them.Rhino was faster,stronger,and a better fighter aswell,yet spidey made him ko himself.You people have to think outside the box.You always base your diagnosis on strength,speed,and brains(which spidey has against her),you never think about wit,anger,frustration,and catchy jokes.From what i've read,Starfire has had a short temper in the past and combine spideys massive array of jjokes and temper squeezers(lol) and she'll get distracted fast.With ben helping him,he could make a bridge fall ontop of her or her to fly into something explosive.
i did not say she is stronger than juggs. but she is definitely a better fighter than juggs. spider-man does have brains yes. but starfire is clearly a better warrior. and starfire does have an anger issue which usually resutls in her opponent getting fried. i just don't really see the spiders pulling this off. and besides starfire has dealt with beast boy for years so i don't really think spider-man's jokes are going to make her angry.
first part of argument:Good secound part of argument:LOL
@Silver2467:
the only reason he has trouble with some street levelers is because he can't exploit their anger because they have brains.Thor is somewhat dumb in human standars,as is juggs.I don't remember him beating fire lord so i can't give any thought.But street levelers like Black Panther,captain america,and iron fist all have brains and can conrol themselves.Why do you think deadpool is so easy to walk all over?Because he's so idiotic.
" @MarvelJackAss433: i did not say she is stronger than juggs. but she is definitely a better fighter than juggs. spider-man does have brains yes. but starfire is clearly a better warrior. and starfire does have an anger issue which usually resutls in her opponent getting fried. i just don't really see the spiders pulling this off. and besides starfire has dealt with beast boy for years so i don't really think spider-man's jokes are going to make her angry. "If they did it's berserker rage and they are in trouble.
@Silver2467: the only reason he has trouble with some street levelers is because he can't exploit their anger because they have brains.Thor is somewhat dumb in human standars,as is juggs.I don't remember him beating fire lord so i can't give any thought.But street levelers like Black Panther,captain america,and iron fist all have brains and can conrol themselves.Why do you think deadpool is so easy to walk all over?Because he's so idiotic. "No disrespect, but this could not be more wrong.
beast boys jokes are rarely offensive or even aimed at starfire,and juggs was a soldier of war before he found the gem.And spidey has taken classes with the likes of captain america when he was an avenger.
by "Brains",i mean smarts.Thor isn't the smartest in human terms,most gods aren't.and juggs is dim-witted,any non dim witted man can see that.Deadpool is always walked all over.And Cap and Black Panther and Fist all have learned self control,And starfire does have anger issues.But Spidey has been exploiting issues like that to his advantage for years.Sandman,rhino,juggs,hulk, the list goes on.
Making hulk collapse a building onto himself dosn't seem like PIS,many people have done it.
beast boy's jokes are often about starfire's body or getting to sleep with her. and he definitely makes offensive remarks. have you ever read a teen titans comic? or have you just watched the cartoon? juggs may have been a soldier of fortune but he does not really have h2h feats without the use of his powers. and a few classes with cap does not put spidey on a par with kory who has been a trained warrior since she was a young girl. she trained with the warlords of okara. and she often defeats donna troy who is a trained amazon.
jugg dosn't have many h2h feats becuase he rarely ever has to do anything involving h2h combat.I'm not saying spidey is a better fighter,just that he is smarter.I haven't kept up with the titan much,that is true,but just because someone is stronger or faster dosn't mean they are ultimatly the winner.With a suit,spidey has about 40-80 ton range.Ben getting a suit aswell,and venom who is currently above 100 tons,i see it very hard for this to be spite
" @charlieboy: jugg dosn't have many h2h feats becuase he rarely ever has to do anything involving h2h combat.What? All Juggernaut has in a fight is his fist, his durability, and his force field. What do you mean he rarely ever has to do anything involving H2H combat.?
I'm not saying spidey is a better fighter,just that he is smarter.This amounts to absolutely nothing.
I haven't kept up with the titan much,that is true,but just because someone is stronger or faster dosn't mean they are ultimatly the winner.Please be logical about this. Who would win between SpiderMan and Wonder Man? And for the love of God, get this right.
With a suit,spidey has about 40-80 ton range.Proof.
Ben getting a suit aswell,and venom who is currently above 100 tons,-_-
40-60 tons. Gargan has not proven to be nearly as formidable as Brock, despite his superior strength anyway.
i see it very hard for this to be spite "Then reassess this fight.
@Silver2467:
juggs rarely has anyone he has to litteretly trade blows with without koing them with a single punch.
Starfire has been completely outsmarted before.
Wonderman is much different than starfire,if her ever feels in danger he can just turn himself into gas.Wonderman would beat spidey,yes.
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Spidey has held up an entire building on his back without the suit,with it he should be in that strength level.
This one truely makes no sense.Are you saying Brock is stronger yet not stronger than Gargan?I can't make anything of this.
you are right about that. spidey does not compare. deathstroke is a master tactician. that fooled all of the titans including dick grayson and cyborg who are both very intelligent. and starfire is not dumb. she was just new to the culture when she first appeared.
"Care to explain Thor and Hulk then?@Silver2467:
juggs rarely has anyone he has to litteretly trade blows with without koing them with a single punch.
Sure, by Deathstroke, a character who would outsmart SpiderMan every day of the week.Starfire has been completely outsmarted before.
You mean ion energy, and he has not demonstrated that ability in years.Wonderman is much different than starfire,if her ever feels in danger he can just turn himself into gas.Wonderman would beat spidey,yes.
So has Captain America. In fact, so has BatMan. Are they 40 tonners too? No. SpiderMan is a 10 tonner without the symbiote. Prove he is in the 40-80 ton range with it.-_-
Spidey has held up an entire building on his back without the suit,with it he should be in that strength level.
Have you read anything involving Brock or Gargan? The difference between the two is not difficult to infer. Gargan is physically stronger, but his track record is terrible. Brock as Venom posed much more threat to SpiderMan than Gargan as Venom has, and Brock is only a 25 tonner, when Gargan is a 40 tonner.This one truely makes no sense.Are you saying Brock is stronger yet not stronger than Gargan?I can't make anything of this.
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" @Silver2467:I think he has been classified as at least 10 tons, but how much more has never been fully defined. Hence why I said 10 tonner.Actually he is more than a 10 toner but obviously not in 80 ton rage...0_0 "SpiderMan is a 10 tonner without the symbiote
" @MarvelJackAss433: And they actually still lose "How? Three symbiote super persons combined strength is is like.... way over 100 tons. Plus the spiders are very crafty.
And they both are actually pretty much genius's.
may i remind you that spidey has multiple smarter allies.Mr.Fantastic for example.
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