Both blood lusted
No prep time
All powers
Who wins?
Wolverine should win in a rematch....he may be faster than her, he can dodge her Venom Blasts...he's a much better fighter...he has senses that can help him, he's way to durable too....this guy can take hits from The Hulk...his Claws should also extend his reach...all she has over him is Flight, Strength and Venom Blasts, but Wolverine has other advantages here, he'slearnt every Martial Arts style known to man...she can't compare to that, Wolverine has shown to fight far superior opponnents, now Spider Woman can fire her Venom Blasts at light speed, but she doesn't use this consistentley, and she uses this on more dangerous opponnents, Wolverine lays a beating on her.
Wolverine FTW
"Spider-Woman takes this fight for the large majority. She has too many advantages over Logan. Not only does she have flight advantage and a power at range advantage. She far and away has every advantage in physical speed and strength. Her speed is on par with Spider-Man and her strength puts her at least 14 times stronger than him.She can also match him in fighting skill. She has plenty of endurance to go on fighting this battle, much longer than it will take for her to end it. Bloodlusted Spider Woman could fry Wolverine's brain in his skull and shut down his heart. A concentrated lethal dose of her venom blasts, flooding his body, could turn the tide of this battle at any point.Her bio-electrical energy travels at light speed and can be focussed enough to pierce heavy gauge steel or branch off in multiple direction for a wide spread AOE attack. Although logan does as well ... Jessica has highly accute senses.I'd be surprised if Logan could even lay a hand on her. As an added bonus, her pheremones could completely mess with his head and concentration during the course of the battle. "
"@MzombieX said:"Spider-Woman takes this fight for the large majority. She has too many advantages over Logan. Not only does she have flight advantage and a power at range advantage. She far and away has every advantage in physical speed and strength. Her speed is on par with Spider-Man and her strength puts her at least 14 times stronger than him.She can also match him in fighting skill. She has plenty of endurance to go on fighting this battle, much longer than it will take for her to end it. Bloodlusted Spider Woman could fry Wolverine's brain in his skull and shut down his heart. A concentrated lethal dose of her venom blasts, flooding his body, could turn the tide of this battle at any point.Her bio-electrical energy travels at light speed and can be focussed enough to pierce heavy gauge steel or branch off in multiple direction for a wide spread AOE attack. Although logan does as well ... Jessica has highly accute senses.I'd be surprised if Logan could even lay a hand on her. As an added bonus, her pheremones could completely mess with his head and concentration during the course of the battle. "No, she isn't faster, no she can't match him in fighting skill, she doesn't consistentley use her pheremones, Wolverine takes it "
" @MzombieX:Her speed is on par with spidey? Based on what? 14 times stronger than spidey? Also what feats has she done that puts her on the fighting level of Logan? =] "Her speed is on par with Spider-Man and her strength puts her at least 14 times stronger than him.
"@comicdude23 said:"@MzombieX said:"Spider-Woman takes this fight for the large majority. She has too many advantages over Logan. Not only does she have flight advantage and a power at range advantage. She far and away has every advantage in physical speed and strength. Her speed is on par with Spider-Man and her strength puts her at least 14 times stronger than him.She can also match him in fighting skill. She has plenty of endurance to go on fighting this battle, much longer than it will take for her to end it. Bloodlusted Spider Woman could fry Wolverine's brain in his skull and shut down his heart. A concentrated lethal dose of her venom blasts, flooding his body, could turn the tide of this battle at any point.Her bio-electrical energy travels at light speed and can be focussed enough to pierce heavy gauge steel or branch off in multiple direction for a wide spread AOE attack. Although logan does as well ... Jessica has highly accute senses.I'd be surprised if Logan could even lay a hand on her. As an added bonus, her pheremones could completely mess with his head and concentration during the course of the battle. "No, she isn't faster, no she can't match him in fighting skill, she doesn't consistentley use her pheremones, Wolverine takes it "
She sure does use her pheromones. In fact, she uses them whenever she desires the edge.
In many debates Comic, I've noticed you often try and remove power sets from people that rightfully have them in their arsenal. Anything to remove an advantage away from someone. The OP states Full powers. It should be acknowledged as such. Saying "ummm, she just won't use her pheromones, cause I don't want her to" isn't a valid arguement. I can just as easily say "yes, in fact she does use them." Yes she is faster. With her speed and strength advantage combined along with her training, she will match up to him just fine in skill. This is similar to a Spider-Man vs Wolverine debate, with lethal Bio electrical Venom blasts and flight, replacing Webs and swinging. It really isn't as far off from that as people are making it seem, and yet in most of those debates Spider-man gets the majority of votes for a win. Except that in this situation, Jessica is a better fighter than Peter and her flight could be seen as superior to swinging. Also her Electrical attack could be seen as, not only faster ... but more lethal and incapacitating than webs.She has absolutely ALL the range advantage at her disposal. Yet even at close range Wolverine isn't necessarily at an advantage. "
"Wolverine should win in a rematch....he may be faster than her, he can dodge her Venom Blasts...he's a much better fighter...he has senses that can help him, he's way to durable too....this guy can take hits from The Hulk...his Claws should also extend his reach...all she has over him is Flight, Strength and Venom Blasts, but Wolverine has other advantages here, he'slearnt every Martial Arts style known to man...she can't compare to that, Wolverine has shown to fight far superior opponnents, now Spider Woman can fire her Venom Blasts at light speed, but she doesn't use this consistentley, and she uses this on more dangerous opponnents, Wolverine lays a beating on her. Wolverine FTW "
"@comicdude23 said:"Wolverine should win in a rematch....he may be faster than her, he can dodge her Venom Blasts...he's a much better fighter...he has senses that can help him, he's way to durable too....this guy can take hits from The Hulk...his Claws should also extend his reach...all she has over him is Flight, Strength and Venom Blasts, but Wolverine has other advantages here, he'slearnt every Martial Arts style known to man...she can't compare to that, Wolverine has shown to fight far superior opponnents, now Spider Woman can fire her Venom Blasts at light speed, but she doesn't use this consistentley, and she uses this on more dangerous opponnents, Wolverine lays a beating on her. Wolverine FTW "Wolverine is like 5'4' or something like that and has claws that are around a foot long. Jessica can fly and fire light speed blasts from a vast distance away. It eminates from her very being and can arc off and travel through solid objects as well as travel in multiple directions in the air. What exactly is this reach advantage you are talking about? I'm not saying you're wrong, but out of curiosity ... when did Wolverine become a master in every martial art known to man? It often takes many many years for one to consider himself a master in the discipline of a single martial art. Even in old age, some grand masters would not even consider themselves a true master of their craft. There are literally hundreds of different martial art styles in the world. I'm just curious when he learned these, or was there some story line in which he learned them through some divine intervention. "
" @MzombieX:Her speed is on par with spidey? Based on what? 14 times stronger than spidey? Also what feats has she done that puts her on the fighting level of Logan? =] "Her speed is on par with Spider-Man and her strength puts her at least 14 times stronger than him.
@MzombieX:
When did she fight Spider-Man? scans?
Her fighting skill isn't at his level
Wolverine has actually matched Spider-Man in speed before
Her blasts will not put him down, he can take hits from The Hulk
She doesn't have to be afraid of him, and he wasn't trying his best in that scan
"@MzombieX:That's not Spider Woman. Not to mention if not for Cage, Wolverine would have gutted her in those scans.
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" @Morpheus_ said:Queen Veranke basically WAS Jessica Drew so yes I do believe the skill would be the same."@MzombieX:That's not Spider Woman. Not to mention if not for Cage, Wolverine would have gutted her in those scans.True enough ... forgot it turned out to be a Skrull right?... Although the skill set would be the same, would it not? I still don't doubt that Jessica is capable of such and when Cage intervened they both relented on the attack. She paused and let up on him and said "... um ..."It could just as easily be said that if not for Cage she could have continued her assault. "
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" @comicdude23 said:Bad writing.... "
Wolverine has actually matched Spider-Man in speed before
Why? "Spider-Man is simply faster than Wolverine.If Parker had an issue with his speed it's bad writing.
" @comicdude23 said:Why? "Spider-Man is simply faster than Wolverine.If Parker had an issue with his speed it's bad writing. "
" @Vance Astro said:Her speed is superhuman...Wolverine's isn't, even if Pete is faster she's still faster than Wolverine." @comicdude23 said:Mmmh, fair enough, but i have yet to see if Spider Woman is as fast as Pete "Why? "Spider-Man is simply faster than Wolverine.If Parker had an issue with his speed it's bad writing. "
" @Morpheus_ said:Yes, but she attacked him instinctively while Wolverine initially made no move against her, nor was he aware it was her, to begin with. He was being hunted for hours by the Savage Land mutates, and attacked Veranke only after she blasted and stabbed him.Either way, I don't think you can build an argument on it."@MzombieX:That's not Spider Woman. Not to mention if not for Cage, Wolverine would have gutted her in those scans.True enough ... forgot it turned out to be a Skrull right?... Although the skill set would be the same, would it not? I still don't doubt that Jessica is capable of such and when Cage intervened they both relented on the attack. She paused and let up on him and said "... um ..."It could just as easily be said that if not for Cage she could have continued her assault. "
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" @comicdude23 said:" @Vance Astro said:Her speed is superhuman...Wolverine's isn't, even if Pete is faster she's still faster than Wolverine. "" @comicdude23 said:Mmmh, fair enough, but i have yet to see if Spider Woman is as fast as Pete "Why? "Spider-Man is simply faster than Wolverine.If Parker had an issue with his speed it's bad writing. "
" @comicdude23 said:Wolverine is basically a low level Superhuman... "Only in strength. "
by default." @Vance Astro said:
" @comicdude23 said:And durability. "Wolverine is basically a low level Superhuman... "Only in strength. "
She has fought against Spider-man before and matched his speed and reflexes. No she is not as strong as Spider-Man.
I said she was that much stronger than Logan not Spidey.
She has Shield and Hydra training. She was trained by the Taskmaster. She is a highly trained assasin and spy. wether or not she is quite at Logan's level in skill, her physical advantages in strength and agility
are enough to balance it out to make it closer.
yet in the end it doesn't completely matter considering her vast range advantage.
She has is not afraid of Logan.
" @MzombieX:If not for Logan's durability this would be an easy win for Jess.The only time i have seen them fight, it was during siege and IIRC, spidey was trying to help her, not fight her. Also if every person that can hold his own against spidey, means that he is as fast as him, then Daredevil is as fast as spidey. LOGAN is as fast as spidey. Hell even kingpin should be. Actually know. Being able to fight someone does not grand you the same physical level as your opponent. Sorry, my mistake, but you did not make clear. You mention spidey in your post and then you posted that he was stronger than him( in that case you were talking about Logan ). That's why i got confused. Being train, does not mean much. It just proves that you are skill but it does not show your skill level. Logan has feats that make him one of the best. I never argued that SW's physical stats combined with his skills, will not allow her to make it close. I was just addressing the part where you said that she can match him in fighting skill while she is not even close to be on his level. Btw, i think this could go either way. Logan is skilled enough to tag faster opponents than him as he has done already. In that case, one hit would be enough to end the fight. He is much more skilled than her( an advantage that can allow him to land some well placed strikes that can defeat her ) and his reaction time and durability are some pretty good factors to counter her own speed and strength. In SW's defense. I'm pretty sure if she manage to held his own before she would get tagged, she could use her skills combined with super human strength( which is close to 7 tons as far as i know ) to KO Logan with some well placed hits. But as i said, it could go either way IMO. =] "She has fought against Spider-man before and matched his speed and reflexes. No she is not as strong as Spider-Man.
I said she was that much stronger than Logan not Spidey.
She has Shield and Hydra training. She was trained by the Taskmaster. She is a highly trained assasin and spy. wether or not she is quite at Logan's level in skill, her physical advantages in strength and agility
are enough to balance it out to make it closer.
yet in the end it doesn't completely matter considering her vast range advantage.
She has is not afraid of Logan.
" @spidey 15 said:That would be logical since, you know....having super strength is always an advantage against people with normal durability..." @MzombieX:If not for Logan's durability this would be an easy win for Jess. "The only time i have seen them fight, it was during siege and IIRC, spidey was trying to help her, not fight her. Also if every person that can hold his own against spidey, means that he is as fast as him, then Daredevil is as fast as spidey. LOGAN is as fast as spidey. Hell even kingpin should be. Actually know. Being able to fight someone does not grand you the same physical level as your opponent. Sorry, my mistake, but you did not make clear. You mention spidey in your post and then you posted that he was stronger than him( in that case you were talking about Logan ). That's why i got confused. Being train, does not mean much. It just proves that you are skill but it does not show your skill level. Logan has feats that make him one of the best. I never argued that SW's physical stats combined with his skills, will not allow her to make it close. I was just addressing the part where you said that she can match him in fighting skill while she is not even close to be on his level. Btw, i think this could go either way. Logan is skilled enough to tag faster opponents than him as he has done already. In that case, one hit would be enough to end the fight. He is much more skilled than her( an advantage that can allow him to land some well placed strikes that can defeat her ) and his reaction time and durability are some pretty good factors to counter her own speed and strength. In SW's defense. I'm pretty sure if she manage to held his own before she would get tagged, she could use her skills combined with super human strength( which is close to 7 tons as far as i know ) to KO Logan with some well placed hits. But as i said, it could go either way IMO. =] "She has fought against Spider-man before and matched his speed and reflexes. No she is not as strong as Spider-Man.
I said she was that much stronger than Logan not Spidey.
She has Shield and Hydra training. She was trained by the Taskmaster. She is a highly trained assasin and spy. wether or not she is quite at Logan's level in skill, her physical advantages in strength and agility
are enough to balance it out to make it closer.
yet in the end it doesn't completely matter considering her vast range advantage.
She has is not afraid of Logan.
" @MzombieX:The only time i have seen them fight, it was during siege and IIRC, spidey was trying to help her, not fight her. Also if every person that can hold his own against spidey, means that he is as fast as him, then Daredevil is as fast as spidey. LOGAN is as fast as spidey. Hell even kingpin should be. Actually know. Being able to fight someone does not grand you the same physical level as your opponent. Sorry, my mistake, but you did not make clear. You mention spidey in your post and then you posted that he was stronger than him( in that case you were talking about Logan ). That's why i got confused. Being train, does not mean much. It just proves that you are skill but it does not show your skill level. Logan has feats that make him one of the best. I never argued that SW's physical stats combined with his skills, will not allow her to make it close. I was just addressing the part where you said that she can match him in fighting skill while she is not even close to be on his level. Btw, i think this could go either way. Logan is skilled enough to tag faster opponents than him as he has done already. In that case, one hit would be enough to end the fight. He is much more skilled than her( an advantage that can allow him to land some well placed strikes that can defeat her ) and his reaction time and durability are some pretty good factors to counter her own speed and strength. In SW's defense. I'm pretty sure if she manage to held his own before she would get tagged, she could use her skills combined with super human strength( which is close to 7 tons as far as i know ) to KO Logan with some well placed hits. But as i said, it could go either way IMO. =] "She has fought against Spider-man before and matched his speed and reflexes. No she is not as strong as Spider-Man.
I said she was that much stronger than Logan not Spidey.
She has Shield and Hydra training. She was trained by the Taskmaster. She is a highly trained assasin and spy. wether or not she is quite at Logan's level in skill, her physical advantages in strength and agility
are enough to balance it out to make it closer.
yet in the end it doesn't completely matter considering her vast range advantage.
She has is not afraid of Logan.
" @spidey 15 said:Aren't feats that really matter, though, old friend? Wolverine has sustained hits from superhumanly strong opponents too many times for us to dismiss it purely because it shouldn't work that way.That would be logical since, you know....having super strength is always an advantage against people with normal durability... =] "His durability isn't even superhuman though.Writers just don't know how healing factor works. "
" @spidey 15 said:Since when adamantium bones do not grand super human durability?That would be logical since, you know....having super strength is always an advantage against people with normal durability... =] "His durability isn't even superhuman though.Writers just don't know how healing factor works. "
" @Sempurna said:Well, i would agree with him to be honest. Durability has nothing to do with HF. Logically a few shots on the head from superhumanly strong people, should KO him, IMO." @spidey 15 said:Aren't feats that really matter, though, old friend? Wolverine has sustained hits from superhumanly strong opponents too many times for us to dismiss it purely because it shouldn't work that way. "That would be logical since, you know....having super strength is always an advantage against people with normal durability... =] "His durability isn't even superhuman though.Writers just don't know how healing factor works. "
Aren't feats that really matter, though, old friend? Wolverine has sustained hits from superhumanly strong opponents too many times for us to dismiss it purely because it shouldn't work that way. "Yea..I wasn't making a case for her.I was merely saying his durability doesn't make any sense.if he was actually written CORRECTLY we would have the right ammo to be able to say she beats him without a doubt.
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