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#1 Posted by Nefarious (19658 posts) - - Show Bio

 

JD 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
SW 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
  
 
 
 
Conditons: - 
  
> Elimination via Knock-out or Incapacitation or Death.   
> DS is equipped with his primary sword, power staff, and guns. 
> Both are in character.  
> Both have little knowledge about each other. 
> Classic Deathstroke. Earth-616 Spider-Woman.  
 
Who wins this one?


 

 
 
Setting:  Unpopulated. Starting distance: 23 Feet Apart opposite ends.
 
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#2 Posted by NEEK_03 (1200 posts) - - Show Bio

spiderwoman pimp slaps him silly.

#3 Posted by Nefarious (19658 posts) - - Show Bio

I doubt that it will be that easy. 

#4 Posted by Strider92 (16251 posts) - - Show Bio

Close fight but the combo of Jessica's pheromones, flight and venom blasts give her the win. Slade doesn't go down easy though.

#5 Posted by Nefarious (19658 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice reason. 
 
Man, I love Spider-Woman. 

#6 Posted by KraytRawk (628 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

Close fight but the combo of Jessica's pheromones, flight and venom blasts give her the win. Slade doesn't go down easy though.

#7 Posted by KainScion (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

dont forget jessica aint no slouch in h2h. she stabbed wolverine. in the neck. with his own claws. BAM!

#8 Posted by Strider92 (16251 posts) - - Show Bio

@KainScion said:

dont forget jessica aint no slouch in h2h. she stabbed wolverine. in the neck. with his own claws. BAM!

She did? O.O ouch...

#9 Posted by Nefarious (19658 posts) - - Show Bio

Ouch, that's gotta hurt. 

#10 Posted by KainScion (2973 posts) - - Show Bio
#11 Posted by Strider92 (16251 posts) - - Show Bio

@KainScion said:

And that is why you don't screw with English women lol.....

#12 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@KainScion said:


                   


                   

               

I love the New Avengers. Too bad she was the Skrull Queen the whole time during New Avengers.....  
 
Yeah she had mad H2H skills, Venom Blast that KO Wolvie all the time, Pheramones that makes her opponets not want to hurt her, and Flight. 
 
I say she could take this.
#13 Posted by TDK_1997 (14680 posts) - - Show Bio

Jessica's pheromones will help her a lot in this fight and she may eventually win.

#14 Posted by DrinkUrPruneJuice77 (1598 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke.

#15 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

if its a random encounter im inclined to say deathstroke because in Jessicas free time im pretty sure shes always wearing a perfume that nullifies her pheromones

#16 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@karetaker said:


                   

if its a random encounter im inclined to say deathstroke because in Jessicas free time im pretty sure shes always wearing a perfume that nullifies her pheromones



                   

               

If this is a battle where shes suit up I doubt she masks her Pheramones when working.
#17 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: if its random then i dont think she would be suited up. but it doesn't say random so i guess its not

#18 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@karetaker
But then thats not fair if she is at a disadvantage in a random bout. I could say Deathstroke has no weapons since I doubt he goes Grocery Shopping with Swords and Blast Staff.
#19 Edited by LightningGod67 (238 posts) - - Show Bio

Spiderwoman will win.

#20 Posted by Kentaxx (2350 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke with ease

#21 Posted by Strider92 (16251 posts) - - Show Bio

@karetaker said:

@CadenceV2: if its random then i dont think she would be suited up. but it doesn't say random so i guess its not

In battle threads unless otherwise stated the fighters have their standard gear/costume. So Jess would be suited up and not using the nulifier.

#22 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: unless he was robbing the store in his free time. and sense it doesn't say random i wont assume it is.but its auctually unfair this way more than if it was random because pheromones is a win button.just like misdirection nd TP or TK

#23 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92: just to clarify does that remain the same for random fights when gear is not listed ?

#24 Edited by Strider92 (16251 posts) - - Show Bio

@karetaker said:

@Strider92: just to clarify does that remain the same for random fights when gear is not listed ?

Random fights simply means that the encounter is random.

For example if I where to say a random fight/encounter between Poison Ivy and Spider-man we would go under the assumption Spider-man knows nothing about Poison Ivy (having never met her) and that he has not prepared for her with anything but his standard gear (web shooters etc..) and visa versa for Ivy she would know nothing about him or be prepared for him.

#25 Posted by BringnIt (3809 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke.

#26 Posted by TheSurfer (26 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

Close fight but the combo of Jessica's pheromones, flight and venom blasts give her the win. Slade doesn't go down easy though.

#27 Posted by spiderbuck (2452 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheSurfer said:

@Strider92 said:

Close fight but the combo of Jessica's pheromones, flight and venom blasts give her the win. Slade doesn't go down easy though.

#28 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
Jessica's pheromones don't work the way everyone assumes they do. She is not Daken. Next thing I know people will start saying Gambit wins fights due to his hypnotic charm ability. 
 
Deathstroke curbstomps.
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#29 Edited by Strider92 (16251 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

Jessica's pheromones don't work the way everyone assumes they do. She is not Daken. Next thing I know people will start saying Gambit wins fights due to his hypnotic charm ability.

Deathstroke curbstomps.

I'm well aware that Jess's pheromones don't work like Daken's. They generate attraction and make enemies less inclined to hurt rather than full on control. It still doesn't change the fact that the environment is in a open area giving Jessica a lot of room to maneuver due to flight. This coupled with the fact that she's physically stronger and her venom blasts is going to make her hard for Slade to take down.

I will concede that if Jessica gets to close to Slade she will get decimated but due to this open environment she won't have to.

#30 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade.

#31 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1724 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kentaxx said:

Deathstroke with ease

#32 Edited by TheSurfer (26 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@Morpheus_ said:

Jessica's pheromones don't work the way everyone assumes they do. She is not Daken. Next thing I know people will start saying Gambit wins fights due to his hypnotic charm ability.

Deathstroke curbstomps.

I'm well aware that Jess's pheromones don't work like Daken's. They generate attraction and make enemies less inclined to hurt rather than full on control. It still doesn't change the fact that the environment is in a open area giving Jessica a lot of room to maneuver due to flight. This coupled with the fact that she's physically stronger and her venom blasts is going to make her hard for Slade to take down.

I will concede that if Jessica gets to close to Slade she will get decimated but due to this open environment she won't have to.

And again, I think you speak true Strider. I agree completely. I do believe the below is canon. Her pheromones versus a foe ready to attack.

#33 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Strider92 said:

@Morpheus_ said:

Jessica's pheromones don't work the way everyone assumes they do. She is not Daken. Next thing I know people will start saying Gambit wins fights due to his hypnotic charm ability.

Deathstroke curbstomps.

I'm well aware that Jess's pheromones don't work like Daken's. They generate attraction and make enemies less inclined to hurt rather than full on control. It still doesn't change the fact that the environment is in a open area giving Jessica a lot of room to maneuver due to flight. This coupled with the fact that she's physically stronger and her venom blasts is going to make her hard for Slade to take down.

I will concede that if Jessica gets to close to Slade she will get decimated but due to this open environment she won't have to.

Your proposed tactic is that Jessica will stay out of range and blast Deathstroke - in a distance, the miniscule advantage (which I still maintain is virtually nonexistent) her pheromones could possibly provide is thus eliminated by this. Deathsroke has a variety of long range weaponry (guns, power staff), with which he has faced off against a variety of airborne opponents - most of which are much faster than Jess in both speed and reaction time. She's physically stronger and yet much less skilled to the point her strength advantage does not compensate for it - her durability to blunt force is also eliminated by the promethium sword.  Also, Jessica's venom blasts, while capable of affecting a wide area of effect can still easily be dodged - and have been, and Slade has many feats to his name to prove he can do so.
 
The OP states they have "little knowledge" of each other. When did you last see Jess stay completely out of range and blast an opponent she knows little to nothing about rather than engaging them at close range sooner rather than later? The tactic is out of character in the first place. 
 
Not to mention, everyone goes on about things she's supposed to be capable of rather than actual feats, which, let's face it, she is very short on, against someone who has dozens if not hundreds to prove his superiority over her in every way that matters in order to claim the victory here.
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#34 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheSurfer said:

@Strider92 said:

@Morpheus_ said:

Jessica's pheromones don't work the way everyone assumes they do. She is not Daken. Next thing I know people will start saying Gambit wins fights due to his hypnotic charm ability.

Deathstroke curbstomps.

I'm well aware that Jess's pheromones don't work like Daken's. They generate attraction and make enemies less inclined to hurt rather than full on control. It still doesn't change the fact that the environment is in a open area giving Jessica a lot of room to maneuver due to flight. This coupled with the fact that she's physically stronger and her venom blasts is going to make her hard for Slade to take down.

I will concede that if Jessica gets to close to Slade she will get decimated but due to this open environment she won't have to.

And again, I think you speak true Strider. I agree completely. I do believe the below is canon. Her pheromones versus a foe ready to attack.

i) She took advantage of the fact that she had knowledge of who the Wrecker is, his fight against Wolverine and Spider-Man, and his overall ineptitude - none of which she can afford against Slade.
ii) That's not Jess in the first place.
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#35 Posted by ReVamp (22865 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

ii) That's not Jess in the first place.

I lol'd.

#36 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@ReVamp: LOL, ninety percent of the available scans for Jess are actually Veranke.
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#37 Posted by ReVamp (22865 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_: You have no idea how aggravating it gets. Marvel and their bull, its seriously some amazing ass sh*t.

#38 Posted by TheSurfer (26 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

Your proposed tactic is that Jessica will stay out of range and blast Deathstroke - in a distance, the miniscule advantage (which I still maintain is virtually nonexistent) her pheromones could possibly provide is thus eliminated by this. Deathsroke has a variety of long range weaponry (guns, power staff), with which he has faced off against a variety of airborne opponents - most of which are much faster than Jess in both speed and reaction time. She's physically stronger and yet much less skilled to the point her strength advantage does not compensate for it - her durability to blunt force is also eliminated by the promethium sword. Also, Jessica's venom blasts, while capable of affecting a wide area of effect can still easily be dodged - and have been, and Slade has many feats to his name to prove he can do so.

The OP states they have "little knowledge" of each other. When did you last see Jess stay completely out of range and blast an opponent she knows little to nothing about rather than engaging them at close range sooner rather than later? The tactic is out of character in the first place.

Not to mention, everyone goes on about things she's supposed to be capable of rather than actual feats, which, let's face it, she is very short on, against someone who has dozens if not hundreds to prove his superiority over her in every way that matters in order to claim the victory here.

This is not to disrespect your opinion, and I am under a limited number of posts due to being a fresh fish as it were, but I have seen scans of DS having trouble with people with less speed/physical stats than DS. To my mind, and this is not to try and claim it is 100% fact, but it would seem that many times when DS was dealing with superior foes, he had quite a bit knowledge on them and their abilities (hence the famous scene where he stabs Flash and mentions predictability). I just have a hard time seeing this even being a stomp against a foe that he has very little knowledge about. If we start the fight close, he has to deal with the pheromones, which unprepared, could cause quite a bit of issue. Long range, I do believe Jessica is fast enough to dodge his blasts. I still believe her power combo and stats make this a difficult fight.

#39 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@ReVamp: On this occasion, Bendis seems to have intended that to be the case all along, so it's fine by me.
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#40 Posted by Shawnbaby (10614 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:

ii) That's not Jess in the first place.
For all intents and purposes it is. The Skrulls were perfect copies right down to the smallest detail.. at that point in time she didn't even know she was the Skrull Queen.  The Skrull Queen would not be able to do anything that Jessica could not do or would not do.
#41 Edited by TheSurfer (26 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

@TheSurfer said:

@Strider92 said:

@Morpheus_ said:

Jessica's pheromones don't work the way everyone assumes they do. She is not Daken. Next thing I know people will start saying Gambit wins fights due to his hypnotic charm ability.

Deathstroke curbstomps.

I'm well aware that Jess's pheromones don't work like Daken's. They generate attraction and make enemies less inclined to hurt rather than full on control. It still doesn't change the fact that the environment is in a open area giving Jessica a lot of room to maneuver due to flight. This coupled with the fact that she's physically stronger and her venom blasts is going to make her hard for Slade to take down.

I will concede that if Jessica gets to close to Slade she will get decimated but due to this open environment she won't have to.

And again, I think you speak true Strider. I agree completely. I do believe the below is canon. Her pheromones versus a foe ready to attack.

i) She took advantage of the fact that she had knowledge of who the Wrecker is, his fight against Wolverine and Spider-Man, and his overall ineptitude - none of which she can afford against Slade.
ii) That's not Jess in the first place.

And that is a mistake. I said I thought it was canon, which it is, but wrong person. My bad, and I do not mean to misrepresent. My apologies. But I thought she had the same powers as the original regardless?

She used personal knowledge yes, but I think would that would not entirely be necessary. I would think it would still provide enough for the upper hand here.

#42 Posted by ReVamp (22865 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

@ReVamp: On this occasion, Bendis seems to have intended that to be the case all along, so it's fine by me.

Bendis just wanted to clear his Jones/Drew bull. On a more serious note though, I don't really care if it was planned all along. The SI never rubbed me the right way. the concept that is.

#43 Posted by Soulstealer (825 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

@ReVamp: LOL, ninety percent of the available scans for Jess are actually Veranke.

God in heaven knows how much I hate that this is true. XD

Secret Invasion was a interesting concept, but oh so horrible in practice.

#44 Edited by Strider92 (16251 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

When did you last see Jess stay completely out of range and blast an opponent she knows little to nothing about rather than engaging them at close range sooner rather than later? The tactic is out of character in the first place.

Her first battle with Spider-man she chose to engage him at a range rather than get to close.

I will admit that it would be out of character for her to simply fly around venom blasting Slade. She normally combines a bit of both.

@Morpheus_ said:

Also, Jessica's venom blasts, while capable of affecting a wide area of effect can still easily be dodged - and have been, and Slade has many feats to his name to prove he can do so.

While I agree her single focused beams have been dodged in the past. Her area attacks on the other hand are a lot more potent and i don't believe i've seen anyone dodge them. If she was to get in close to Slade I doubt he'd be able to dodge an attack like this:

As you said if she did get in close her pheromones would come into play which in the past have been used to make her enemies feel attracted to her(i'm aware this is the Skrull Queen but wasn't she a perfect copy of Jess?):

and have been known to also cause paralysis:

#45 Posted by TheSurfer (26 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@Morpheus_ said:

When did you last see Jess stay completely out of range and blast an opponent she knows little to nothing about rather than engaging them at close range sooner rather than later? The tactic is out of character in the first place.

Her first battle with Spider-man she chose to engage him at a range rather than get to close.

I will admit that it would be out of character for her to simply fly around venom blasting Slade. She normally combines a bit of both.

@Morpheus_ said:

Also, Jessica's venom blasts, while capable of affecting a wide area of effect can still easily be dodged - and have been, and Slade has many feats to his name to prove he can do so.

While I agree her single focused beams have been dodged in the past. Her area attacks on the other hand are a lot more potent and i don't believe i've seen anyone dodge them. If she was to get in close to Slade I doubt he'd be able to dodge an attack like this:

As you said if she did get in close her pheromones would come into play which in the past have been used to make her enemies feel attracted to her:

and have been known to also cause paralysis:

I just did the pheromones one, the argument will be that it was not truly Jessica. But again, I thought the powers were the same...

#46 Edited by drgnx (3562 posts) - - Show Bio

@karetaker said:

@CadenceV2: if its random then i dont think she would be suited up. but it doesn't say random so i guess its not

I think random encounter means "no prep" but "ready for battle", meaning they are in normal battle gear and are thrown into the match "battle ready" and know nothing about their opponent beyond what they already knew or can learn during the battle.

I could be wrong.

#47 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheSurfer said:

@Morpheus_ said:

Your proposed tactic is that Jessica will stay out of range and blast Deathstroke - in a distance, the miniscule advantage (which I still maintain is virtually nonexistent) her pheromones could possibly provide is thus eliminated by this. Deathsroke has a variety of long range weaponry (guns, power staff), with which he has faced off against a variety of airborne opponents - most of which are much faster than Jess in both speed and reaction time. She's physically stronger and yet much less skilled to the point her strength advantage does not compensate for it - her durability to blunt force is also eliminated by the promethium sword. Also, Jessica's venom blasts, while capable of affecting a wide area of effect can still easily be dodged - and have been, and Slade has many feats to his name to prove he can do so.

The OP states they have "little knowledge" of each other. When did you last see Jess stay completely out of range and blast an opponent she knows little to nothing about rather than engaging them at close range sooner rather than later? The tactic is out of character in the first place.

Not to mention, everyone goes on about things she's supposed to be capable of rather than actual feats, which, let's face it, she is very short on, against someone who has dozens if not hundreds to prove his superiority over her in every way that matters in order to claim the victory here.

This is not to disrespect your opinion, and I am under a limited number of posts due to being a fresh fish as it were, but I have seen scans of DS having trouble with people with less speed/physical stats than DS. To my mind, and this is not to try and claim it is 100% fact, but it would seem that many times when DS was dealing with superior foes, he had quite a bit knowledge on them and their abilities (hence the famous scene where he stabs Flash and mentions predictability). I just have a hard time seeing this even being a stomp against a foe that he has very little knowledge about. If we start the fight close, he has to deal with the pheromones, which unprepared, could cause quite a bit of issue. Long range, I do believe Jessica is fast enough to dodge his blasts. I still believe her power combo and stats make this a difficult fight.

Deathstroke has a wide array of feats and like any character, has had high points and low ones. Yes, he has had issues with opponents with worse stats (but likely better feats and definitely better skills than Jess), and also has dealt with opponents with his standard equipment and basic knowledge (which he actually has here, provided per the OP). Starfire or Lex Luthor in his battlesuit both spring to mind. I wouldn't have brought up Identity Crisis or him stabbing the Flash in the first place, because it's rather cheap. The pheromones are honestly not an issue that I can detect.
 
On the other hand Jess doesn't even have any truly high combat feats worth noting, honestly. Best I can recall is beating a reluctant Spider-Man who was dealing with the loss of his spider sense and thus performed at a level much lower than normal, while she was trying to kill him and was not holding back. Spidey stomped her in the most recent ASM issue and repayed the favor.
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#48 Posted by Strider92 (16251 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheSurfer: The first one is the Skrull Queen yes but I believe she was a perfect copy of Jess. The second one of her being able to paralyze people with them is her though.

#49 Posted by Strider92 (16251 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

Spidey stomped her in the most recent ASM issue and repayed the favor.

I silently cheered when I read that issue!

#50 Posted by k4tzm4n (39926 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Woman: She zapped da Gargan.

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