Spider Villains vs Batman Villains - Battles

#1 Edited by Chaos Burn (1667 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

The battle ground is a city
The groups just come across each other
Aren't bloodlusted...just regular power levels
Fight to the death
Left out certain villains like Fisk or Joker as this is a battle not a master takeover the city plan battle thingy, that those characters love to do....

Spidey Villains:
Venom (Brock)
Rhino
Sandman
Dr. Octopus
Electro
Lizard

Batman Villains:
Bane
Killer Croc
Cat Woman
Mr. Freeze
Poison Ivy
Man-Bat

#2 Posted by StaticJames (29 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Should have had Clayface vs Venom
But Mr.Freeze should be able to Freeze up venom.
Bane and Rhino, when you say 'aren't bloodlusted' makes it very difficult to say what power they are at.
Killer Croc I think is a wee bit stronger than Lizard.
I'd have said the rest of the Batman villains didn't have a great deal of chance but Poison Ivy is there, she can just charm all of those Male Villains. Easy.

#3 Posted by yodagod (2180 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Chaos Burn:
@StaticJames:
Pretty sure this has been done before. Spidey villains stomp. Venom could solo. Sandman could solo. Electro could solo. Croc is nowhere near lizard in strength. In fact Bane is about twice as strong as Croc and Lizard is still exponentially stronger than Bane. Noone here can even hurt Venom, Sandman, or Electro. Hell, Octopus has a good chance of soloing. Rhino is a nearly invulnerable eighty tonner. The strongest Batvillain is a two tonner at his best. None of the Batvillains have superhuman speed or reflexes, nearly all of the Spidey villains do. Huge curbstomp for the Spidervillains. In fact Electro or Sandman vs the Batvillain team is a stomp for either of them.

#4 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Ivy with CIS and PIS turned off solo

#5 Posted by vuviper (5530 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus said:

" Ivy with CIS and PIS turned off solo "

she can be pretty powerful....

#6 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@vuviper said:

" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" Ivy with CIS and PIS turned off solo "
she can be pretty powerful.... "

She has the potential to be extremely powerful but jobs

#7 Posted by FLCL1 (9581 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

sand man solo

#8 Posted by yodagod (2180 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus said:

"Ivy with CIS and PIS turned off solo "

She has nothing that can harm Venom, Sandman, or Electro. Contact poison, and plants don't do any good against people with malleable forms, no actual skin, and high powerlevels. Electro attacks as pure electricity, and Sandman...is sand. Venom has the symbiote which is resistant to everything except fire and sonics. Without PIS and CIS Electro is a Magneto-level threat soooo... Ivy on her best day is nowhere close. Nearly all the Spiderman villains can solo this.

#9 Posted by vuviper (5530 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@yodagod: I don't see lizard doc oc or rhino soloing myself....

#10 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@yodagod: Um did you read Catwoman Blackest Night? and Daken proved that Pheromones work on Venom

#11 Posted by Strafe Prower (11535 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

I doubt anyone but Electro can taker her out when she is fighting smart.

#12 Posted by yodagod (2180 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@vuviper said:

" @yodagod: I don't see lizard doc oc or rhino soloing myself.... "

I think Ock could, but it wouldn't be likely. I agree about Lizard and Rhino.

#13 Posted by InnerVenom123 (27531 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

They're both awesome villians. Can't decide.

#14 Posted by yodagod (2180 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus said:

" @yodagod: Um did you read Catwoman Blackest Night? and Daken proved that Pheromones work on Venom "

I did not, but unless she has replaced Swamp Thing as the new Earth Elemental, then she doesn't have what it takes to deal with Sandman or Electro. Their powersets are exactly what are needed to deal with her. I'm also guessing that there was a fair amount of PIS involved if the above scans are any indicator. As for the Daken business, different Venom-different powers-different weaknesses. The op said this is Eddie. He isn't as strong as current Venom, but I don't believe pheromones work on him. Electro without CIS would be a global threat all the time. Possibly even worse. Max has no idea the amount of power he possesses.

#15 Edited by Lupine (750 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@yodagod said:

" @Son_of_Magnus said:

" @yodagod: Um did you read Catwoman Blackest Night? and Daken proved that Pheromones work on Venom "
I did not, but unless she has replaced Swamp Thing as the new Earth Elemental, then she doesn't have what it takes to deal with Sandman or Electro. Their powersets are exactly what are needed to deal with her. I'm also guessing that there was a fair amount of PIS involved if the above scans are any indicator. As for the Daken business, different Venom-different powers-different weaknesses. The op said this is Eddie. He isn't as strong as current Venom, but I don't believe pheromones work on him. Electro without CIS would be a global threat all the time. Possibly even worse. Max has no idea the amount of power he possesses. "

Actually almost every Spidey villain has gotten an upgrade or will be getting one soon, so it's worst now. The Gauntlet has officially decided to make Spidey's life suck. And suck bad it does.

#16 Posted by DedmanWalkin (2598 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Electro gets Phero'd by Ivy into killing Doc Ock. Freeze takes down the rest, especially lizard since he is cold blooded. The other Bat Villains are really unneeded.

#17 Posted by vuviper (5530 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Strafe Prower: This was pretty cool too

#18 Posted by yodagod (2180 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@DedmanWalkin said:

"Electro gets Phero'd by Ivy into killing Doc Ock. Freeze takes down the rest, especially lizard since he is cold blooded. The other Bat Villains are really unneeded. "

Don't know that pheromones will work on Electro. All of Spidey's villains are faster and stronger so will have the first action. Freeze can't do anything to Rhino, Venom, or Sandman. You're forgetting that none of Spidey's villains have human agility, speed, reaction time, strength. They are all exponentially superior to all of the Batvillains. Freeze has enough trouble hitting normal human opponents. I doubt he could hit anyone, and eben if he got lucky, Lizard amd Ock are the only ones vulnerable to cold. Electro can short out his gun and suit. That leaves Ivy as the only viable threat. She isn't enough to take on all of these villains at once. Pheromones won't work on Electro (in combat is made of electricity), Sandman(made of sand), and may not work on Venom (never established as exclusively , but generally stated as Brock's only weaknesses are fire and sonics). Contact poison...see above. Plant control does no good against two characters who don't have a solid body and in fact are made of substances that can destroy the plants on contact. Nor does it help when everyone is stronger faster and more agile than she is. Venom could eat her head before she even knows he's there. Electro could literally end this in one move. He becomes electricity and hits all of the Batvillains at once. Or he causes every electrical outlet and substation for miles around to electrocute them. Sandman can be loose sand on the ground, then when everyone steps on him he's six foot tall spikes and they're dead. Or Sandman makes six huge hundred ton arms and they're dead. Rhino can charge through them at a few hundred miles per hour and kill them. Every Spidervillain can kill every Batvillain with a single hit. One Ock tentacle, one Lizard tail swipe, one flick of a finger from Rhino, one stab from Venom, and of course the ridiculous myriad of ways that Electro or Sandman can end all of them. This is a huge stomp.

#19 Posted by DaddyCool (697 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@yodagod:

#20 Posted by Strafe Prower (11535 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@vuviper:
I agree! I snatched the scans btw, you are welcomed to mine :)

#21 Posted by AngelFrost (2833 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Well, since the Spidey villains are men, they will fall under Poison Ivy's pheromones.
If not, her plants can handle most of them.
So, Team Batman. (:

#22 Posted by cascadeking09 (6656 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

spidey villians turn on each other

#23 Posted by DedmanWalkin (2598 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Electro isn't like the Living Lightning he isn't actually electricity he just can store and move massive amounts of it. He is more like Human Torch than Iceman in this regard. He isn't an Elemental. Unless he knows about the Pheromones he isn't going to kill them.

Freeze just needs to spray left to right and freeze everyone, he doesn't need aim just in exact spraying. Freezing is a means of stopping Sandman. If Captain Cold were here, he would solo.

#24 Edited by Matezoide2 (15980 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Spider team curbstomp

@DedmanWalkin said:

" Electro isn't like the Living Lightning he isn't actually electricity he just can store and move massive amounts of it. He is more like Human Torch than Iceman in this regard. He isn't an Elemental. Unless he knows about the Pheromones he isn't going to kill them. Freeze just needs to spray left to right and freeze everyone, he doesn't need aim just in exact spraying. Freezing is a means of stopping Sandman. If Captain Cold were here, he would solo. "

*facepalm*

#25 Posted by vuviper (5530 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@yodagod:

You're forgetting that none of Spidey's villains have human agility, speed, reaction time, strength.

Wait does Doc Oc and rhino have enhanced agility/reflexes?

#26 Posted by Matezoide2 (15980 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@vuviper said:

" @yodagod:
You're forgetting that none of Spidey's villains have human agility, speed, reaction time, strength.
Wait does Doc Oc and rhino have enhanced agility/reflexes? "

Ock? as far as i know,his tentacles react to danger wihout him thinking about it
Rhino haves super speed when he runs

#27 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Bane (Tactical genius and leader to lead them to victory)
Killer Croc (fodder)
Cat Woman (agility fighting skills)
Mr. Freeze (muscle capable of Flash freezing anyone on other team say Electro)
Poison Ivy (pheromones capable of taking over anyone on other team so for instant ko or to make them work for Bat rogues tentacles and other plants for instant KO and entanglement. Or acid for instant death)
Man-Bat (aerial attacks)

#28 Posted by vuviper (5530 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Matezoide said:

" @vuviper said:
" @yodagod:
You're forgetting that none of Spidey's villains have human agility, speed, reaction time, strength.
Wait does Doc Oc and rhino have enhanced agility/reflexes? "
Ock? as far as i know,his tentacles react to danger wihout him thinking about it Rhino haves super speed when he runs "

Ok, well how good are his tentacle's reflexes? And The rhino's speed thing doesn't sound like agility or reflexes..

#29 Posted by Lunacyde (16453 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus said:

"Ivy with CIS and PIS turned off solo "

Could say the same of Electro.

#30 Posted by Lunacyde (16453 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@vuviper said:

" @Son_of_Magnus said:

" Ivy with CIS and PIS turned off solo "
she can be pretty powerful.... "

I highly doubt her pheremones will work on Venom and Sandman. I also am not sure they would work on Lizard, depending on what state he is in.

#31 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Lunacyde said:

" @Son_of_Magnus said:

"Ivy with CIS and PIS turned off solo "
Could say the same of Electro. "

Not as dangerously as Ivy he is still just a lineman while Ivy is above genius level IQ with a PHD so she really knows whats what especially with her powers Elecktro without CIS would be more dangerous but not have the intelligence to use his powers to a devastating potential that he could

#32 Posted by Lunacyde (16453 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Chaos Burn:
Wish you included Kraven.

#33 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Lunacyde said:

" @vuviper said:

" @Son_of_Magnus said:

" Ivy with CIS and PIS turned off solo "
she can be pretty powerful.... "
I highly doubt her pheremones will work on Venom and Sandman. I also am not sure they would work on Lizard, depending on what state he is in. "

They work on Superman and Venom has been seduced by pheromones and she can se acid on Sandman

#34 Posted by Lunacyde (16453 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus:
When was Venom seduced by pheremones? I know that the symbiote protects him from poison and disease.
"She can se acid on Sandman"???

#35 Posted by Morpheus_ (29871 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Lunacyde said:

" @Son_of_Magnus: When was Venom seduced by pheremones? "

Daken.

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#36 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Lunacyde said:

" @Son_of_Magnus: When was Venom seduced by pheremones? I know that the symbiote protects him from poison and disease."She can se acid on Sandman"??? "

Daken

#37 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Lunacyde said:

" @Son_of_Magnus: When was Venom seduced by pheremones? I know that the symbiote protects him from poison and disease."She can se acid on Sandman"??? "

Typo she has plants capable of making highly corrosive acid

#38 Posted by Lunacyde (16453 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Hmm...very well.

#39 Posted by Lunacyde (16453 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus said:

" @Lunacyde said:

" @Son_of_Magnus: When was Venom seduced by pheremones? I know that the symbiote protects him from poison and disease."She can se acid on Sandman"??? "
Typo she has plants capable of making highly corrosive acid "

Well it seems he would need to be completly submerged in the acid. Sandman can reform himself.

#40 Posted by Morpheus_ (29871 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Lunacyde said:

" @Son_of_Magnus said:

" @Lunacyde said:

" @Son_of_Magnus: When was Venom seduced by pheremones? I know that the symbiote protects him from poison and disease."She can se acid on Sandman"??? "
Typo she has plants capable of making highly corrosive acid "
Well it seems he would need to be completly submerged in the acid. Sandman can reform himself. "

Depending on which version is being used, he can create an army to support him, too. So, even if one was to succumb to acid, another twenty would remain to get the job done.

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#41 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Lunacyde: Freeze can Flash freeze him while he is in a collective form and then Ivy can put him in the plant before he can break out. Batman rogues have a tactical leader on there team

#42 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

" @Lunacyde said:
" @Son_of_Magnus said:

" @Lunacyde said:

" @Son_of_Magnus: When was Venom seduced by pheremones? I know that the symbiote protects him from poison and disease."She can se acid on Sandman"??? "
Typo she has plants capable of making highly corrosive acid "
Well it seems he would need to be completly submerged in the acid. Sandman can reform himself. "
Depending on which version is being used, he can create an army to support him, too. So, even if one was to succumb to acid, another twenty would remain to get the job done. "

He has no control over the clones

#43 Posted by Morpheus_ (29871 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus said:

" @Morpheus_ said:
" @Lunacyde said:
" @Son_of_Magnus said:

" @Lunacyde said:

" @Son_of_Magnus: When was Venom seduced by pheremones? I know that the symbiote protects him from poison and disease."She can se acid on Sandman"??? "
Typo she has plants capable of making highly corrosive acid "
Well it seems he would need to be completly submerged in the acid. Sandman can reform himself. "
Depending on which version is being used, he can create an army to support him, too. So, even if one was to succumb to acid, another twenty would remain to get the job done. "
He has no control over the clones "

Which means very little, unless you presume they would side against him in this fight. They are all parts of his own psyche.

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#44 Posted by Lunacyde (16453 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus:
It's possible I suppose.

#45 Edited by Matezoide2 (15980 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Electro fries everyone with thunderbolts,what are they suposed to do against that?

Mr.Freeze is too slow to freeze then (except Ock and possibly Sandman) and it should be hard to him freeze Rhino

#46 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Morpheus_: They did do stuff against his wishes plus they all have their own personalities and were fighting each other at the drop of the hat

#47 Posted by Morpheus_ (29871 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus said:

" @Morpheus_: They did do stuff against his wishes plus they all have their own personalities and were fighting each other at the drop of the hat "

You forgot to mention why that happened.

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#48 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" @Morpheus_: They did do stuff against his wishes plus they all have their own personalities and were fighting each other at the drop of the hat "
You forgot to mention why that happened. "

Arguing over killer Spider-Man or not? He seemed pretty pissed already that they disobeyed him the argument set it off I am sure that something would set it off they are to dangerous considering he has no control over them I either doubt he would use them or something would set them off he is that hot headed and dumb

#49 Posted by Morpheus_ (29871 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus said:

" @Morpheus_ said:
" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" @Morpheus_: They did do stuff against his wishes plus they all have their own personalities and were fighting each other at the drop of the hat "
You forgot to mention why that happened. "
Arguing over killer Spider-Man or not? He seemed pretty pissed already that they disobeyed him the argument set it off I am sure that something would set it off they are to dangerous considering he has no control over them I either doubt he would use them or something would set them off he is that hot headed and dumb "

Actually, that's a no. They seemed to be operating perfectly well when they knocked Spider-man out at the beginning of the issue. The fact that they have different personalities, or that they were acting without consulting the main personality makes them unpredictable in terms of the plot, but not of a straight fight. Also, they weren't arguing about killing Spider-man, or not, but rather on Keemia's future. Is that side factor existent here? Is there a person who's safety all the personalities value to such a degree that could potentially divide their attentions and motives? The answer is no. It's rather unwise, and outlandish to believe they will fight each other here.

And whether he will use them from the start or not doesn't matter. They operated after the dominant personality was incapacitated by Spider-man without strain.

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#50 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Morpheus_: Ivy still has the offensive of all the amounts of acid to incapacitate them as well as flash freezes