Spider-Man vs Superior Spider-Man - Battles

#1 Posted by nickzambuto (7809 posts) - 4 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

Peter Parker vs Otto Octavius. Is the heart and experience of Parker enough to overcome the brutality and intelligence of he who calls himself superior?

#2 Edited by Strider92 (11329 posts) - 4 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

Honestly Superior should win. He has all of Peter's experience, skill, powers and intelligence but in combination with his own intelligence, improved standard gear and laxed morals. This is basically an anything you can do I can do just as well or better scenario. Head says Superior, heart says Amazing.

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#3 Edited by Hksaru (463 posts) - 4 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

LOL WOW this concept is sweet. I love Otto.

I'd have to give it to Peter though because he's had so much more experience specifically with spider sense, and Otto isn't much of a natural fighter

#4 Posted by MythiiC (32 posts) - 4 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

ASM 700 & Avenging Spiderman 15.1 shows that even with all of Peter's memories, Otto is still inexperienced with his powers & even underestimates his own strength - he still has quite a bit to discover.

I'm going to give it to Peter due to the fact that he knows his limits & what he's capable of, much more than what Otto knows (at this point).

#5 Posted by BringnIt (3680 posts) - 4 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

Peter. Otto brings no additional combat skills to the table, really, and doesn't have the heart Peter does, as well as ultimately still having the same emotional weaknesses that have cost him in combat against Parker before. Otto's arrogance has cost him a number of times before, and I see this being little different.

#6 Posted by SlimJ87D (7216 posts) - 4 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

Honestly Superior should win. He has all of Peter's experience, skill, powers and intelligence but in combination with his own intelligence, improved standard gear and laxed morals. This is basically an anything you can do I can do just as well or better scenario. Head says Superior, heart says Amazing.

I would come to the same conclusion if it worked like that. But depending on the writer, it doesn't always work like that.

Buffy had the memory and experience of every slayer before her but she still had to exercise and hone in on those skills and understand them and when to execute them. It can be the same case for Otto. Example, Otto clearly seems to still be adjusting to Peter's memories, it doesn't seem like they come to him right away.

Muscle memory, fighting ability, etc are yet to be seen if he is as good as Peter is. We'll have to wait and see. This thread I guess can be reserved for later. Nick, you just wanted to do this thread before anyone else could! That was your intent!

#7 Edited by Strider92 (11329 posts) - 4 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D: In an interview Slott said that Otto won't have to learn to use his powers as he recalls all of Spider-man's past fights and experience due to the memory transfer. He didn't want to bother with a stories about Ock learning to be Spider-man. Thus its safe to assume this is Spider-man but with Otto's intelligence and morals thrown in.

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#8 Posted by JonSmith (2471 posts) - 4 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@Hksaru said:

LOL WOW this concept is sweet. I love Otto.
I'd have to give it to Peter because he's had so much more experience specifically with spider sense.

Spider-Sense isn't a factor here. They're both Spidey, so the Spider-Sense won't go off. Not to mention Peter's learned how to compensate without it, while Otto doesn't really know how to use it when it goes off since he's never had it before. Even with Pete's experience, it's not in Otto's nature to trust an outside force to cover his rear.

I'll give it to Pete, barely. Peter's powers boost into ridiculous territory when he's pushed. Against an imposter in his body, whose stolen his life? Oh, he's going to be pushed. Otto, however, obviously considers himself Peter's superior. So he's going to be arrogant and taunting while Peter loses his temper. While a cool head in most cases is a better idea, Peter is going up against himself. He knows all his weaknesses, no spider sense, and with Pete boosted while Otto is calm, Otto's going to be outmatched in speed and strength.

#9 Posted by laflux (4960 posts) - 4 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

Peter Parker vs Otto Octavius. Is the heart and experience of Parker enough to overcome the brutality and intelligence of he who calls himself superior?

I just not surprised you haven't thrown your usual Spider-Man wins because he is the Superior Choice. There I said it before anyone else

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#10 Posted by jashro44 (9283 posts) - 4 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@SlimJ87D: In an interview Slott said that Otto won't have to learn to use his powers as he recalls all of Spider-man's past fights and experience due to the memory transfer. He didn't want to bother with a stories about Ock learning to be Spider-man. Thus its safe to assume this is Spider-man but with Otto's intelligence and morals thrown in.

Still there is more than just experience though. There is also things like competence in combat, pain tolerance, etc. Things that come with your strength of character. I don't doubt Otto is a competent combatant but until he gets feats he isn't better than Peter.

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This is a leaked scan from superior spider-man #1. In it Otto gets hit many times in the fraction of a second and he says "Can't believe Parker put up with this. The man must have been insane." If he has Peters experience why would he wonder why Peter puts up with that sort of beating? And we still don't know how Otto will use Peters powers. For all we know he wont use them as efficient as Peter. He probably has better tech but that don't know what that tech is yet.

I am sure I will change my mind after seeing Otto in action but until he gets feats Peter wins.

@BringnIt said:

Peter. Otto brings no additional combat skills to the table, really, and doesn't have the heart Peter does, as well as ultimately still having the same emotional weaknesses that have cost him in combat against Parker before. Otto's arrogance has cost him a number of times before, and I see this being little different.

Agreed.

#11 Posted by Strider92 (11329 posts) - 4 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@jashro44: That leaked scan is just page 3 of a 20 page issue. We saw that when the official preview came out. There's a VERY high chance that the fight doesn't end with Spider-man fleeing.

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#12 Posted by jashro44 (9283 posts) - 4 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@jashro44: That leaked scan is just page 3 of a 20 page issue. We saw that when the official preview came out. There's a VERY high chance that the fight doesn't end with Spider-man fleeing.

My mistake, it wasn't in the comicvine preview page. But the point isn't really that Otto fled (I don't know if he did or not all though I was assuming he went to horizon to get tech but I could be wrong) its that he never understood why spider-man took the beatings he took all those years. If he has all of Peters memories wouldn't he understand all of his choices? All we can really do here is compare character traits and tech (the tech spider-man was carrying post Slotts run and what we know of from Otto so far). We really need to see Otto perform. He might choose to use his powers differently in Peter.

#13 Posted by Nightflash (708 posts) - 4 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

I'm giving it to Peter. He has WAY WAY WAY more experiencing being Spiderman. He has a better understading of how he is able to use his power in the best way. Otto needs LOTS of experience. If he gets that then it's a battle of intelect since both have the same powers (same body) at same level.

#14 Posted by jashro44 (9283 posts) - 4 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

I don't know if I would say Otto is inexperienced...He has Peters memories but he never actually did the stuff Peter did. Stuff like jumping on juggernauts back and getting hit repeatedly by juggernaut, getting hit by pheonix force colossus and Magik (yes they were holding back but they still broke bones), he didn't lift the huge piece of rubble in amazing spider-man 33, etc. That was all Peter not Otto. And we don't know enough about his tech yet and he hasn't had a major fight.

#15 Posted by Ninjablade09 (1094 posts) - 4 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

I would say Pete because Pete has proven multiple times he is smarter than Otto, plus Pete knows how powerful he really is so he could always push Otto over the limit when it comes to his strength and tire Otto out faster