spider-man vs scarlet spider (kaine)

VS

Rules

win by any means necessary

morals are one

random encounter

Both have standered gear

Location

Both begin visible

begin 20 feat apart

fight takes place here:

Who wins and why?

"win by any means necessary" seems to clash with morals on.

The fan in me really really wants to say Kaine but:

Kaine doesn't really have the feats to justify him beating Spider-man yet although he does have the potential so I can't really say who'd win. Going by feats alone its got to be Parker. Perhaps in a few more issues we'll get some better stuff from Kaine.

@Strider92 said:

Kaine doesn't really have the feats to justify him beating Spider-man yet although he does have the potential so I can't really say who'd win. Going by feats alone its got to be Parker. Perhaps in a few more issues we'll get some better stuff from Kaine.

this. parker is the original and the spidersense give him an edge but kaine's other attributes are greater then parkers i believe.

Parker. Kaine really only has a strength advantage, in my opinion. I think spider sense, intelligence, fighting skills, and better overall gadgetry compensates for that in my opinion, and Kaine's more vicious nature isn't going to surface against Peter.

Parker. Kaine really only has a strength advantage, in my opinion.  

Destroying vehicles isn't really Spider-Man's M.O., though. I don't know if it's an issue of he couldn't do it, so much as he wouldn't. Remember, he did tank a vehicle Flash threw at him by ramming it with his shoulder and I believe that vehicle was pretty fubared afterward. I do agree Kaine utilizes his speed moreso now than he once did, but I guess I look back to their most recent encounter when Kaine was in man-spider form and how the combination of Spider Fu and spider sense allowed Parker to pretty thoroughly outfight Kaine, who appeared to have enough of his faculties to be fully aware of Parker's pre-Way of the Spider capabilities based on the dialogue during Spider Island. I was counting EoE armor toward Parker's gear toward this fight, but I'll give you he doesn't use a lot of the referenced gear like chill pellets frequently. Lastly, even though technically they are of equal intelligence, Parker is more versed not only in the sciences but I think he has a more proven track record of using his intelligence to overcome physically superior combatants on the spur of the moment.

Fair enough. For the record, I think it's a very close matchup. Kaine is a straight up boss and one of my favorites. I think that sans Ends of the Earth armor, Parker takes a slim majority for the reasons I stated as well as my belief that Kaine would hold back against Peter in character. I think with Parker's current armor, though, he takes a strong majority here.

I agree that Kaine in his new series (awesome) hasnt had any real feats, but having all of peters powers plus some extras and a lack of moral fiber at times would give him the edge in a brawl. the question should be Ben Reilly vs Scarlet Spider Kaine. :D anyone? no? ok :(

I agree that Kaine in his new series (awesome) hasnt had any real feats, but having all of peters powers plus some extras and a lack of moral fiber at times would give him the edge in a brawl. the question should be Ben Reilly vs Scarlet Spider Kaine. :D anyone? no? ok :(

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

I win.

I.A.T.

B**ch, I'm Batman.

Yeah, I think Kaine would beat Ben pretty handily still.

I would say Spider-Man normally but did anyone see the caption? 
 
 
It said Spider-Man year one. Unless I'm wrong that was intentional. 
So I say Kain. Year one Spidy is inexperienced and not physically at his peek.

@Dernman: I didn't notice the caption to be honest. This is meant to be pre ends of the earth spider-man (meaning no armor).

Ill go with Kaine

Kaine and Spidey stats are equal Kaine being a little more durable and Spidey having the spider sense but all in all I think it comes down to the morals which kaine lack of will help him win by a hair.

@Immortal777 said:

Ill go with Kaine

Kaine and Spidey stats are equal Kaine being a little more durable and Spidey having the spider sense but all in all I think it comes down to the morals which kaine lack of will help him win by a hair.

I don't think Kaine's morals are a factor as he is on different standings for Peter now. He died for Peter before. I don't think he's going to try and harm Peter, so the morals aren't an issue in this fight.

I'm going with Peter due to Spider-sense and experience with his powers. Kaine can't even web swing as good as Peter, I can't imagine him fighting as well as Peter can due to spider senses.

Kaine is likely a 25 tonner compared to Peter's 10 ton, and morals won't help Kaine here. He is a tough customer, but much like Wolverine he does have morals, and he practically hero worships Peter.

@Morpheus_: True but he also has very intelligent foes like norman, otto, lizard. i think parker is better at using his surroundings.

@Morpheus_: True but he also has very intelligent foes like norman, otto, lizard. i think parker is better at using his surroundings.

peter

@Morpheus_ said:

I'm an issue behind (I didn't read last week's ASM yet), but I admittedly expected more from that armor. Hopefully he does some good stuff in it that I am not yet aware of.

He actually used it to single-handedly take down the Phoenix, can't believe you missed it.

@Morpheus_ said:

Probably Kaine.

Really? I wonder about that because while Kaine has the more powerful Other powers, he does not have a spider sense. I would assume the slightly weaker and slower Spider-Man would make up for it by just having that autopilot precog business.

@VenomousDragon said:

"win by any means necessary" seems to clash with morals on.

What do you mean?

@jashro44 said:

@VenomousDragon said:

"win by any means necessary" seems to clash with morals on.

What do you mean?

I think he got "win by any means" confused. For example it could be misinterpreted as saying Spider-man could rip Kaine's limbs off giving him the win but clashing wit his morals.

I'm guessing what you were referring to by "win by any means" was the options of the win. Eg: through incapacitation, KO etc...

@Erik: Something we don't have definite confirmation is Kaine's strength. I'm not sure if he is at 20 tons, there hasn't been a handbook entry for the new Kaine has there?

@SlimJ87D said:

@Erik: Something we don't have definite confirmation is Kaine's strength. I'm not sure if he is at 20 tons, there hasn't been a handbook entry for the new Kaine has there?

Not that I can recall but he has displayed the other... uh... Other powers sans the spider sense, I have no idea why he would not be at 20 tons. Actually, I am wondering why he does not have the amped spider sense.

If morals are on then this fight shouldn't even exist buuut... My money's on Pete. I'm not sure what the official stats for either of them are but it stands to reason that Kaine's stronger/more durable and Pete's faster/more agile. Sure Kaine could knock Pete out with a few good hits, but he'd have to catch him first and even if he does, Pete's a pro when it comes to last minute escapes. That and Pete's got the whole spider-sense and experience thing going for him. Peter learned a lot in his pre-college years and Kaine doesn't have that, and what Kaine does have he hasn't had the chance to put most of it to practice. But again, by its own rules, this fight is non-existant. Now that they regard each other as brothers the most we can realistically expect from them is a sparring match (if there's no mind-control in the works to make it otherwise). Here's my question though: Kaine vs Shathra(a.k.a Spider-Wasp)?

@BringnIt said:

Kaine is likely a 25 tonner compared to Peter's 10 ton, and morals won't help Kaine here. He is a tough customer, but much like Wolverine he does have morals, and he practically hero worships Peter.

spiderman at rest is a 10 tonner, but he can lift more when trying. at desperation, he could seemingly lift over 40 tons.

@SlimJ87D: Well I'm not sure if he has the other powers exactly (not sure where everyone is getting that info from) but he seems to be comparable to peter in terms of strength/striking force. The crater he caused in scarlet spider #2 seems to be comparable to the crater spider-man created when he punched flash venom in venom#3.

@Atora: Hero's fight each other all the time with morals on. Daredevil fought captain America recently while both were in morals, captain America fought gambit while both were in morals, etc. There are scenarios where the 2 will fight while in morals regardless of there bond.

@Morpheus_ said:

Probably Kaine.

@jeanroygrant: Why do you think Kaine wins?

leave ben alone you heathens!!! KING IN THE NORTH!!!

@Strider92: Thats what i thought he meant.

If Kaine is in character he'd probably rather die than risk killing Peter. 

I'm going to say Spider-Man.

@Super_SoldierXII:Reason?

@jashro44 said:

@Super_SoldierXII:Reason?

Mostly because of precog with a dash of WotS coupled with the fact he's been at web slinging longer. And that never hurts.

Superior strength and speed are huge advantages. But Pete's got the other side of that coin working for him now. Skill (unless Kain has likewise been training with the likes of Shang Chi?).

I tend to put more stock in slightly higher skill levels. Knowing what your opponent will do beforehand will definitely offset the speed advantage and then some IMHO.

Plus, I'm partial to Parker ;P

Wouldn't Peter's superior skills and spier sense put him above Kaine?

@ComicStooge said:

Wouldn't Peter's superior skills and spier sense put him above Kaine?

As a clone Kaine does not set off Peter's spider-sense. In the clone saga we saw that Ben, Peter and Kaine did not trip off each other's senses so spider-sense is void here. However Peter has better feats and is indeed more skilled. Pete most likely wins. Maybe in the new year we'll see some awesome feats for Kaine allowing him to compete.

@Morpheus_ said:

Probably Kaine.

Meh, Dock Ock.

BUMP since Kaine has more showings now.

Kaine

kaine wins