Spider-Man vs. Mr. Fantastic

For all those saying that Spidey would out-smart his opponent, he has finally met his match, can Spidey's powers overcome Reed's elasticity and I.Q.?

Yes the spider wins.

How? Do you know how hard it is to injure Mr. Fantastic? He beat Iron Man. (though whether that was bad writing or not is up to speculation)

Reed wins.He's smarter and more experienced then Spider-man.

spiderman is underachiever who suffer some confidance issues. Hes smart enough to hang with richards,

is down right deadly when he puts his mid to it. Richards can be koed and I think spidey could do it. I dont give richards much credit as a fighter. He a hero hes a science guy but in a fight aginst someone like spider man I dont think he wins.

Vance Astro says:

"speedlgt says:

"spiderman is underachiever who suffer some confidance issues. Hes smart enough to hang with richards, is down right deadly when he puts his mid to it. Richards can be koed and I think spidey could do it. I dont give richards much credit as a fighter. He a hero hes a science guy but in a fight aginst someone like spider man I dont think he wins. "

Spider-man is even smart enough to hang with Pym and Stark.Reed has more Phd's then MLK.Spider-man and Reed aren't great fighters...Spider-man only gets by with his agility,speed,and strenght...he's not really a skilled fighter.Reed is not just some science guy."

I can argue with you and say Spider-Man is a skilled fighter. Perhaps he doesn't have any actual professional training, but when it comes to his own fighting style, to combining his natural powers, he's incredibly skilled.

Anyway, in Civil War, Spider-Man was able to take out Reed Richards. He moves incredibly fast and is must stronger then Reed. I can argue that Spider-Man may use his webbing to create a trap for Richards as well.

speedlgt says:

"spiderman is underachiever who suffer some confidance issues. Hes smart enough to hang with richards, is down right deadly when he puts his mid to it. Richards can be koed and I think spidey could do it. I dont give richards much credit as a fighter. He a hero hes a science guy but in a fight aginst someone like spider man I dont think he wins. "

Spider-man is even smart enough to hang with Pym and Stark.Reed has more Phd's then MLK.Spider-man and Reed aren't great fighters...Spider-man only gets by with his agility,speed,and strenght...he's not really a skilled fighter.Reed is not just some science guy.

He beat him before, in the civil war comics.

well ok are you saying that richards is so smart that he doesnt make mistakes in combat?

speedlgt says:

"well ok are you saying that richards is so smart that he doesnt make mistakes in combat?"

Nobody said that....but Spider-man cannot hurt Reed.

I dont know astro if your saying that reed cant be hurt I would have to say thats pretty much wrong.

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speedlgt says:

"I dont know astro if your saying that reed cant be hurt I would have to say thats pretty much wrong."

I'm not saying Reed can't be hurt but it's extremely hard to hurt Reed.

GReat!

so we concur that he can be hurt, and since spidey is more agile and stronger its a safe bet that he could at some point in a fight hurt reed. this maybe with fighting or maybe dodgeing him or maybe bu using the environment. In any situation I see spiderman hurting reed faster than reed hurting spidey.

Vance Astro says:

"speedlgt says:

"GReat! so we concur that he can be hurt, and since spidey is more agile and stronger its a safe bet that he could at some point in a fight hurt reed. this maybe with fighting or maybe dodgeing him or maybe bu using the environment. In any situation I see spiderman hurting reed faster than reed hurting spidey."

As of right now.Spider-man isn't stronger than Reed and agility means nothing.Spider-man cannot beat Reed Richards...if it happened it's bad writing."

You blame EVERYTHING on bad writing.

speedlgt says:

"GReat! so we concur that he can be hurt, and since spidey is more agile and stronger its a safe bet that he could at some point in a fight hurt reed. this maybe with fighting or maybe dodgeing him or maybe bu using the environment. In any situation I see spiderman hurting reed faster than reed hurting spidey."

As of right now.Spider-man isn't stronger than Reed and agility means nothing.Spider-man cannot beat Reed Richards...if it happened it's bad writing.

I prefer we not use the little one-shots in comics where these people fight since the winner of said fights obviously depends on the story rather than the realistic outcomes. Please, use what you know to be consistent with each character to choose the outcome that you believe is correct.

Spider-Man hurting Reed was total garbage. He's been hit by things much stronger than Spider-Man and been fine. Don't bring that in here.

if theyre in a closed space i gotta give the advantage to reed. he can cover more ground at one time and peters agility wouldnt count for much.

Buckshot says:

"Spider-Man hurting Reed was total garbage. He's been hit by things much stronger than Spider-Man and been fine. Don't bring that in here."

Finally someone who gets it.

Eternal Chaos says:

"Vance Astro says:

"speedlgt says:

"GReat! so we concur that he can be hurt, and since spidey is more agile and stronger its a safe bet that he could at some point in a fight hurt reed. this maybe with fighting or maybe dodgeing him or maybe bu using the environment. In any situation I see spiderman hurting reed faster than reed hurting spidey."

As of right now.Spider-man isn't stronger than Reed and agility means nothing.Spider-man cannot beat Reed Richards...if it happened it's bad writing."

You blame EVERYTHING on bad writing."

No, I know better than to think Spider-man can hurt Reed.If it's not bad writing then you tell me how he can hurt Reed.

I think that if Spider-Man uses enough webbing. I say he can do it. All he needs is to rope-a-dope.

iSHADOW says:

"if theyre in a closed space i gotta give the advantage to reed. he can cover more ground at one time and peters agility wouldnt count for much."

Reed wins period.

danhimself says:

"Vance Astro says:

"speedlgt says:

"GReat! so we concur that he can be hurt, and since spidey is more agile and stronger its a safe bet that he could at some point in a fight hurt reed. this maybe with fighting or maybe dodgeing him or maybe bu using the environment. In any situation I see spiderman hurting reed faster than reed hurting spidey."

As of right now.Spider-man isn't stronger than Reed and agility means nothing.Spider-man cannot beat Reed Richards...if it happened it's bad writing."

spider-man has super strength and richards doesn't how isn't spider-man stronger richards?"

Reed can't lift more than Spidey....but he hits way harder.Either way Spidey loses so it doesn't matter.

Vance Astro says:

"speedlgt says:

"GReat! so we concur that he can be hurt, and since spidey is more agile and stronger its a safe bet that he could at some point in a fight hurt reed. this maybe with fighting or maybe dodgeing him or maybe bu using the environment. In any situation I see spiderman hurting reed faster than reed hurting spidey."

As of right now.Spider-man isn't stronger than Reed and agility means nothing.Spider-man cannot beat Reed Richards...if it happened it's bad writing."

spider-man has super strength and richards doesn't how isn't spider-man stronger richards?

Eternal Chaos says:

"I think that if Spider-Man uses enough webbing. I say he can do it. All he needs is to rope-a-dope."

Where is the scenario?

Where is the proof?

Wtf is webbing going to do to Reed Richards?

danhimself says:

"i don't know i think it would be a really close fight but i think spidey would come out on top"

How......HOW THE F#CK CAN SPIDERMAN HURT REED?

Eternal Chaos says:

"I think that if Spider-Man uses enough webbing. I say he can do it. All he needs is to rope-a-dope."

If anyone's going to get rope-a-doped, its Spidey, how many punches can Spidey hit Reed with before he gets tired? If he gets wrapped up by Reed, how long is it going to be before he tires?

danhimself says:

"Vance Astro says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"I think that if Spider-Man uses enough webbing. I say he can do it. All he needs is to rope-a-dope."

Where is the scenario? Where is the proof? Wtf is webbing going to do to Reed Richards?"

it stopped ironman"

If you think Spider-man can beat Iron Man when he's not holding back your delusional.

Vance Astro says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"I think that if Spider-Man uses enough webbing. I say he can do it. All he needs is to rope-a-dope."

Where is the scenario? Where is the proof? Wtf is webbing going to do to Reed Richards?"

All those are unclear scenarios that depend on the scenario. If Parker lays it up, properly, he can create a giant web based structure whether it be a reinforced sphere or a cube. It's possible.

i don't know i think it would be a really close fight but i think spidey would come out on top

Eternal Chaos says:

"Vance Astro says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"I think that if Spider-Man uses enough webbing. I say he can do it. All he needs is to rope-a-dope."

Where is the scenario? Where is the proof? Wtf is webbing going to do to Reed Richards?"

All those are unclear scenarios that depend on the scenario. If Parker lays it up, properly, he can create a giant web based structure whether it be a reinforced sphere or a cube. It's possible."

Can you tell wtf...will that due to Reed.

Vance Astro says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"I think that if Spider-Man uses enough webbing. I say he can do it. All he needs is to rope-a-dope."

Where is the scenario? Where is the proof? Wtf is webbing going to do to Reed Richards?"

it stopped ironman

Vance Astro says:

"danhimself says:

"Vance Astro says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"I think that if Spider-Man uses enough webbing. I say he can do it. All he needs is to rope-a-dope."

Where is the scenario? Where is the proof? Wtf is webbing going to do to Reed Richards?"

it stopped ironman"

If you think Spider-man can beat Iron Man when he's not holding back your delusional."

Parker needs ONE punch. The same way he broke Tony's helmet is the same way he can break it with Tony's skull in it.

Vance Astro says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Vance Astro says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"I think that if Spider-Man uses enough webbing. I say he can do it. All he needs is to rope-a-dope."

Where is the scenario? Where is the proof? Wtf is webbing going to do to Reed Richards?"

All those are unclear scenarios that depend on the scenario. If Parker lays it up, properly, he can create a giant web based structure whether it be a reinforced sphere or a cube. It's possible."

Can you tell wtf...will that due to Reed."

Oh yeah, I forgot, you're the one who doesn't view it as a win if one of the combatants is either webbed up or tied up or something like that. Arguing this with you is like talking to a wall. Nevermind.

i think most people underestimate how strong spidey is he's said before that in most of the fights he's in he's holding back alot

Eternal Chaos says:

"Vance Astro says:

"danhimself says:

"Vance Astro says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"I think that if Spider-Man uses enough webbing. I say he can do it. All he needs is to rope-a-dope."

Where is the scenario? Where is the proof? Wtf is webbing going to do to Reed Richards?"

it stopped ironman"

If you think Spider-man can beat Iron Man when he's not holding back your delusional."

Parker needs ONE punch. The same way he broke Tony's helmet is the same way he can break it with Tony's skull in it. "

Eternal Chaos says:

"Vance Astro says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Vance Astro says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"I think that if Spider-Man uses enough webbing. I say he can do it. All he needs is to rope-a-dope."

Where is the scenario? Where is the proof? Wtf is webbing going to do to Reed Richards?"

All those are unclear scenarios that depend on the scenario. If Parker lays it up, properly, he can create a giant web based structure whether it be a reinforced sphere or a cube. It's possible."

Can you tell wtf...will that due to Reed."

Oh yeah, I forgot, you're the one who doesn't view it as a win if one of the combatants is either webbed up or tied up or something like that. Arguing this with you is like talking to a wall. Nevermind."

WTF are you talking about.Stop making stupid assumptions and debate me like a man.I'm not the person who things a person can't lose by being webbed up.That's how Spidey beat Wolverine.My point was what makes you think Spider-man can web Reed up like that?

they both suffocate each other to death

Vance Astro says:

"WTF are you talking about.Stop making stupid assumptions and debate me like a man.I'm not the person who things a person can't lose by being webbed up.That's how Spidey beat Wolverine.My point was what makes you think Spider-man can web Reed up like that?"

I am debating you like a man. You've constantly said "I don't view webbing up or tieing up as a win" and all this crap Colt, and you know it. What makes me think Spider-Man web Reed up like that are simple calculations. Things he's done before. Hell, if they're in the city, there are a ton of ways that can be done.

And as for your first comment: At those times, Parker wasn't trying to hurt Tony, he was trying to escape, and secondly talk to him. I don't have a scanner so I can't show you the image, but in One More Day, issue 1, Parker dented the helmet, matter of fact, crushed it like a tin can.

I think Mr. Fantastic wins here. He is smart enough and may have the experience advantage as well. I think Spidey goes down here.

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danhimself says:

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What issue is that? I LOVE the black suit... LoL.

How about you use Iron Man in his current armor? Stronger material, force fields, spider-sense and superhuman speed are all things that would allow him to not have his head punched like in the posted image.

Vance Astro says:

"1.Can you quote where I said I don't view webbing as win.If your going to bring up something I said when I was Colt Python don't even bother.That was a long while ago.Today I haven't said anything of the sort. 2.Reed is way smarter than Spider-man...I don't think he's be caught in some webbing. 3.I read One More Day #1.I don't remeber him denting the helmet but if he did...he still bled.Captain America destroyed the helmet damn near...I hope you don't think he can actually beat Iron Man is he's not holding back."

What's the difference between then and now? You finally realised that you don't need to kill or KO an enemy for it to be a win?

Reed views Spider-Man as his equal, read "Spider-Man/Fantastic Four: Silver Rage", so I can see Peter figuring something out.

Well you obviously didn't read it enough or clear enough. Re-read it, and I think Parker can take out Tony. It's not impossible. It'd just be incredibly hard.

Eternal Chaos says:

"Vance Astro says:

"WTF are you talking about.Stop making stupid assumptions and debate me like a man.I'm not the person who things a person can't lose by being webbed up.That's how Spidey beat Wolverine.My point was what makes you think Spider-man can web Reed up like that?"

I am debating you like a man. You've constantly said "I don't view webbing up or tieing up as a win" and all this crap Colt, and you know it. What makes me think Spider-Man web Reed up like that are simple calculations. Things he's done before. Hell, if they're in the city, there are a ton of ways that can be done. And as for your first comment: At those times, Parker wasn't trying to hurt Tony, he was trying to escape, and secondly talk to him. I don't have a scanner so I can't show you the image, but in One More Day, issue 1, Parker dented the helmet, matter of fact, crushed it like a tin can."

1.Can you quote where I said I don't view webbing as win.If your going to bring up something I said when I was Colt Python don't even bother.That was a long while ago.Today I haven't said anything of the sort.

2.Reed is way smarter than Spider-man...I don't think he's be caught in some webbing.

3.I read One More Day #1.I don't remeber him denting the helmet but if he did...he still bled.Captain America destroyed the helmet damn near...I hope you don't think he can actually beat Iron Man is he's not holding back.

danhimself says:

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-Symbiote Spider-man

-Old Iron Man

Try again.

Vance Astro says:

"danhimself says:

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-Symbiote" />http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh168/danhimself_2008/1183208186509.jpg[/IMG]"

how do you know that's the sybiote and not just the black suit

danhimself says:

"Vance Astro says:

"danhimself says:

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-Symbiote" />http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh168/danhimself_2008/1183208186509.jpg[/IMG]"

-Symbiote Spider-man -Old Iron Man Try again."

How don't you know which it is?