Nobody says:
"Alright we all know Deathstroke is skilled and smart but is he going to beable to handle Spider-Man's speed and spider-sense?"
Good battle... Close one too... I think it's possible for Spidey to beat him.
Nobody says:
"Alright we all know Deathstroke is skilled and smart but is he going to beable to handle Spider-Man's speed and spider-sense?"
Good battle... Close one too... I think it's possible for Spidey to beat him.
Alright we all know Deathstroke is skilled and smart but is he going to beable to handle Spider-Man's speed and spider-sense?
I see Deathstroke starting off watching Spider-Man move trying to figure out how he is going to fight. After taking a second or two he moves in for a move that by watching Spidey should work but is caught off guard by the Spider-Sense only to get smashed in the face. And after time and again, Deathstroke trys to think what Spidey's next move will be, each time Spidey does what he isn't expecting because of the Spider-Sense. Not saying ti will be easy for either one but I think in the end Spidey would win.
" @Matezoide said:Because logically if Spiderman fights competently he should kick the crap out of any street level character." if Spider-Man is serious he wins prety easly "Why easily? "
I don't see spiderman serious taking Deathstroke, he doesn't have the skill to back up taking the man who takes of the Teen Titans and smacks then around saying "I could do this all day" or stop a character that has humiliated the justice league.
Being serious does nothing for your competence.
" @FinalStar86: There are certain circumstances that will make the fight last longer than other street level fights. IIRC slade was durable enough to take hits from super boy, so IMO, Spidey will have a hard time KOing him. I think the only way he has to beat him is if he uses his webbing effectively IMO. =] "In that issue Superboy and Wonder Girl were toying with him and wanted him to suffer so they didn't intentionally KO him until Cassie used her lasso and slammed him through a building. If Spider fought competatently but held back enough so he wouldn't kill Slade, then I can see that fight lasting a while, if Spider was flat out blood lusted though....
Not compared to the Terminator. Peter's skill is in many areas is just pitiful. Even serious his approach to a fight is most of the time tactically terrible. And I'm saying this as someone who likes spider-man." Spider-Man is competent when he is serious "
" @Crom-Cruach:My sincere condoleances.
sorry,my computer is lagging like f*ck"
i didnt say he is as competent as Slade,thats almost impossible,but when you have Spidey`s powerset and manages to use it`s potential (wich Peter can do when serious),you dont need to be a badass fighter"Yes you do. This myth that spider-man serious suddenly taking an immense leap in power that has appeared on this board is ridiculous. Spider-Man serious got beat up by Steve Rogers. He get's taken down by characters when serious that are both below Deathstroke's power set and competence level.
"if he wasnt competent when going all out,he wouldnt have been able to trash Scorpion all over the city (who has been able to beat Spider-Man in the past) or ,most recently, the Kravinoffs....heck,Alyosha fought evenly with the likes of Black Panther and a serious Spider-Man made him cry like a girlNone of these people are anywhere near as good as Deathstroke. Scorpion is a terrible fighter that has been proven time and again. That Spider-man has last to scorpion isn't a indication of Scorpion's competence, it's an indication of Peter's incompetence.
or Ana,who almost killed Spider-Man and beated the sh!t out of Vermin with easy....if being serious didnt enable Spidey to fight with competence,she would have almost killed him again what i am saying is,just because Spider-Man isnt as competent as Slade,he can be competent enough to defeat him "
Spider-Man serious got beat up by Steve Rogers.
" He was serious because he wasn't joking. Our point is that he will use his powers in more serious, better and more competent way. If you see in my scans where he fights 8 opponents when he was brainwashed by mr negative, he was still saying some jokes but he used his powers in a greater level. =] "Spidey 15, you're one of the smartest people on this board. Come on now...
thanks" @Matezoide said:
My sincere condoleances." @Crom-Cruach:
sorry,my computer is lagging like f*ck"
Yes you do. This myth that spider-man serious suddenly taking an immense leap in power that has appeared on this board is ridiculous. Spider-Man serious got beat up by Steve Rogers. He get's taken down by characters when serious that are both below Deathstroke's power set and competence level.
You say Spider-Man's fast? Deathstroke bullet times and tags characters like the flash and superman. You think Spider-Man is stealthy? Deathstroke escapes from Superman. Spider-man has never faced anyone on Deathstrokes combined competence and power level because Marvel doesn't write street levelers the same way DC does.
None of these people are anywhere near as good as Deathstroke. Scorpion is a terrible fighter that has been proven time and again. That Spider-man has last to scorpion isn't a indication of Scorpion's competence, it's an indication of Peter's incompetence. The Kravinoff's are nothing special in comparaison to Deathstroke's track record either. He smacks around the Titans who are far more powerful then the Kravinoff family. Deathstroke has super-human attributes and reflexes and a level of competence far above Peter's. Spider-Man in contrast leaps before he thinks, has terrible hand to hand skill that only his super-human attributes allow him to compensate with. Has a long track record of getting tagged by people far under his power set and more. A serious Peter doesn't have what it takes to take Slade in my opinion. "
Spidey 15, you're one of the smartest people on this board. Come on now...
1- The fact was that he was really honestly trying to take down Steve and he didn't. He was serious about what he was doing. Steve kicked his ass
2-Those 8 guys were nameless mooks with nowhere the competence nor the combined power of Deathstroke
3-Being serious doesn't make you better at anything, you know that. Because unless you don't have the experience, insight or skill, your seriousness won't compensate for the incredible deficiencies you have.
" @Donovan Montgomery: That's true, but still, he one shotted punisher when he was serious. This was my point! =] "
and the very same Spider-Man beated the sh!t out of Kingpin,who was able to beat the likes of Daredevil,the Punisher and even Captain America in the past :P
Do you really believe that if spidey really wanted to take down cap, he wouldn't do it. When cap has run to save his teammates in the end of the battle, Peter didn't even bother to chase him. Also, i know that cap is fast and skilled, but if spidey was really trying, cap shouldn't really be able to hit him. Spidey was holding back like he always does.
he is probaly ok with that,having more people to have a friendly discussion with is always good IMO" @Crom-Cruach: By the way, sorry to jump on this conversation when you already have two others to respond to. "
" @spidey 15 said:It's ok. The point is that when spidey holds back, he does not one shot. But when he was angry he one shotted Punsiher." @Donovan Montgomery: That's true, but still, he one shotted punisher when he was serious. This was my point! =] "Yea, sorry, I kind passed that part right over. Deathstroke is more durable and agile than Frank, but I don't think that will help to much. "
" @spidey 15 said:And kingpin has beaten even spiderman himself, but when spidey was more competent he beaten the idiot out of him.and the very same Spider-Man beated the sh!t out of Kingpin,who was able to beat the likes of Daredevil,the Punisher and even Captain America in the past :P "
Do you really believe that if spidey really wanted to take down cap, he wouldn't do it. When cap has run to save his teammates in the end of the battle, Peter didn't even bother to chase him. Also, i know that cap is fast and skilled, but if spidey was really trying, cap shouldn't really be able to hit him. Spidey was holding back like he always does.
" @spidey 15: @Matezoide: I know, but given that he already has other posts to respond to, I did not want to overwhelm his posting all at once. I remember when I first started out here and only had a few hundred posts or so, I was debating five or six people at once, and they just kept replying too fast for me to respond. Just wanted to be sure. "true,true,just wanted to point that out :D
" @spidey 15: @Matezoide: I know, but given that he already has other posts to respond to, I did not want to overwhelm his posting all at once. I remember when I first started out here and only had a few hundred posts or so, I was debating five or six people at once, and they just kept replying too fast for me to respond. Just wanted to be sure. "I had the same problem before. But Crom is not new. I'm pretty sure he knows how to handle this.
Spider-man goes off and on. Sometimes he has no problem taking out big name baddies on his own, other times, he needs to recruit everyone and their robot and it still takes said combine force forever and a day to resolve the conflict: Carnage, for example.
That having been said, as long as the Spider is "on" he's got it, hands down, no dobut.
If he's doesn't think of Deathstroke as a real threat or he's on the rag, or whatever, Deathstroke might take it. Maybe.
Deathstroke's tactics will give Spider-man a run for his money, but "super reflexes" don't beat border-line pre-cognition any day of the week. If Deathstroke did his homework, he will have all of Parker's weaknesses worked out well in advance, and he'd more than likely have some sort of hostage, but with Spider-man and his "Spidey-Sense" I don't really see him laying anything more than a glancing blow.
Pete's also got a mobility advantage on Slade. No, he can't fly, but everything short of it, and if need be, Parker can dodge all day long and web every inch of battlegound until Deathstroke can't move: another of Spider-man's fav tactics.
As a note toward the writing styles of the different companies:
No, Marvel doesn't write street levelers as well as DC because Marvel just doesn't "do" those kinds of characters. Whenever Marvel introduces someone who's only powers are "advanced combat training" or "has a knife on their person more often than not" they are a suck character and either gain powers because Thor left his hammer lying around again, or because someone dumped toxic waste where they shouldn't have. They give hope to th bullied DnD nerd that at some point in your life, you will have an indestructible metal grafter to your skeleton and then those quaterbacks will be sorry.
DC, on the other hand, doesn't "do" ZOMFG!-Omnipotent characters. Sure, they got like 15 versions of Superman/Lantern, but even these guys can be taken down (and regularly are) by the "my power is being rich" characters. Batman/Luthor always have 7 different ways to not not lose to Supes at any given moment. It gives readers hope that they too, can not die, if need be, no matter what, which is good.
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