Spider-Man villains vs Wolverine villains

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Wolverine team are all trained in forms of hand to hand combat

Yes, they are.

And the Spider-Man team is trained in "holy sh*t, those dudes are all powerful in different ways."

@Decoy Elite said:

@k4tzm4n: B) If you think so. You know more about SS than me.

C) Time to employ Operation: Shocker Blast

B) At one point bullets bounce off his armor (pistol rounds)... and in other times, arrows are able to stick into assorted parts. Regardless, those blasts are going to hurt him and I question how many he could take. One will certainly knock him on his rear, but he'd recover. I can't see him tanking them or taking more than a few and being combat effective, imho.\

C) He's a big variable, imho.

@ReVamp said:

@4joeblow said:

@ReVamp said:

Obvious troll is obvious.

You comic vine's equivalent of a hall monitor now? Grow up please.

No, technically speaking I'd be the class bully. Works both ways I guess.

Kissing @ss is how you become a Moderator on this sight, not internet bullying (rather petty) son.

@k4tzm4n: always that best battle topics.

now talking about the duel, i think wolverine villains should win in a good fight, they got better fighting skills while the other team got the long range attack as a advantage, but sabretooth could make a difference here with his abilities, experience in battles and the healing factor..

@Morpheus_ said:

@4joeblow said:

@ReVamp said:

@4joeblow said:

@ReVamp said:

Obvious troll is obvious.

You comic vine's equivalent of a hall monitor now? Grow up please.

No, technically speaking I'd be the class bully. Works both ways I guess.

Kissing @ss is how you become a Moderator on this sight, not internet bullying (rather petty) son.

You actually become a moderator by knowing the difference between site and sight.

Damn you beat me to it.

@Morpheus_ said:

You actually become a moderator by knowing the difference between site and sight.

Are you sure? If I were to test all the moderators would I get an acceptable pass rate?

@4joeblow said:

Kissing @ss is how you become a Moderator on this sight, not internet bullying (rather petty) son.

How was I kissing ass? Calling you a troll is kissing ass now? LOL, as good as they come son.

Wolverine's villains definitely. I'm basically reiterating what's already been said, but here's what I think nonetheless;

- Silver Samurai is a very bad fight for both Rhino and pre-shed Lizard IMHO. His powerset and abilities make him pausible instant death for either or if an ounce or realism enters into the fray. His tachyon enhanced katana will cut their hides with ease and should decapitate in a single Iaijitsu slash either of the two. While Rhino and Lizard can likewise prove instant death for SS, it's far more likely the man with top tier skill, the man that splits a bullet in twain, will get the telling strike in first. Crap, I'd not be shy to say he can beat both at once given his tools.

- Shocker is the real threat, but Sabes and Lady DS are not slow nor easy to power to the ground. I'd say he drops one, but not both.

@k4tzm4n: But two of them have healing factors,i reckon Silver Samurai and Shocker would be the first to go down,and it does pain me to that cos Silver Samurai is a favourite of mine,Lizard would be the hardest one to take down.Could Silver Samurai cut through Rhino using his tachyonic energy

@ReVamp said:

@Morpheus_ said:

You actually become a moderator by knowing the difference between site and sight.

Are you sure? If I were to test all the moderators would I get an acceptable pass rate?

@4joeblow said:

Kissing @ss is how you become a Moderator on this sight, not internet bullying (rather petty) son.

How was I kissing ass? Calling you a troll is kissing ass now? LOL, as good as they come son.

Maybe you should read my post again......or get your sight checked

@4joeblow said:

Maybe you should read my post again......or get your sight checked

I did. You still don't make sense.

@Illuminatus: Haha! Your posts stick out because of your AV and I know you're not an idiot. So think of me picking on you as a complement. :)

He's a beefy dude and I don't see SS going for the decap instantly. Gonna be hard to take out limps while dodging a charge, and if SS gets tagged he's out.

It gets them out of cover so he can blast them head on. Then they get to have fun being blasted like crazy.

No reason for Harda to go for Lizard first and even if he does Lizard is a fast dude, so he'll still have trouble.

@ReVamp said:

@4joeblow said:

Maybe you should read my post again......or get your sight checked

I did. You still don't make sense.

Well then I guess the LOL is on you :D

@Morpheus_ said:

@4joeblow said:

@ReVamp said:

@4joeblow said:

@ReVamp said:

Obvious troll is obvious.

You comic vine's equivalent of a hall monitor now? Grow up please.

No, technically speaking I'd be the class bully. Works both ways I guess.

Kissing @ss is how you become a Moderator on this sight, not internet bullying (rather petty) son.

You actually become a moderator by knowing the difference between site and sight.

Lol.

@Morpheus_: You get back on topic spelling police.

@Morpheus_: You get back on topic spelling police.

@Morpheus_ said:

@4joeblow said:

@Morpheus_: You get back on topic spelling police.

Either comply or stop posting. And mind your tone, please.

None of your posts thus far on this thread have anything to with this topic and you're telling me to get back on topic? Oh wait I forgot to say please right?

@Decoy Elite said:

@Illuminatus: Haha! Your posts stick out because of your AV and I know you're not an idiot. So think of me picking on you as a complement. :)

He's a beefy dude and I don't see SS going for the decap instantly. Gonna be hard to take out limps while dodging a charge, and if SS gets tagged he's out.

It gets them out of cover so he can blast them head on. Then they get to have fun being blasted like crazy.

No reason for Harda to go for Lizard first and even if he does Lizard is a fast dude, so he'll still have trouble.

Not really. Rhino charges head first. A Kenjutso masters perfect invitation. Rhino would lose his head. Easily.

@Illuminatus: If I can't do a proper :I face on here I will have my avatar do one!

Because he doesn't in most of his fights. And because it's hard to decapitate someone charging with their head lowered. Don't know if that'd work, Spider-Man's agility is what allows him to dodge Rhino so easily, SS will have a harder time.

Shocker can tag Spider-Man consistently. Creed isn't dodging his blasts with simple strafing.

Lizard can and does dodge. He may be a bit of a tank, but he doesn't fight like one. Not to mention Harda won't be the one up against Lizard a majority of the time.

@Super_SoldierXII: I don't think he'd be able to slash quick enough to take away Rhino's head without getting crushed in the process.

@Morpheus_ said:

@4joeblow said:

@Morpheus_: You get back on topic spelling police.

Either comply or stop posting. And mind your tone, please.

None of your posts thus far on this thread have anything to with this topic and you're telling me to get back on topic? Oh wait I forgot to say please right?

@HigorM: Thank you!

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@k4tzm4n: But two of them have healing factors,i reckon Silver Samurai and Shocker would be the first to go down,and it does pain me to that cos Silver Samurai is a favourite of mine,Lizard would be the hardest one to take down.Could Silver Samurai cut through Rhino using his tachyonic energy

I disagree. If anything, Shocker would be the last to go down due to his distance. And having a healing factor doesn't render one immune from being Ko'd or incapacitated. Yes, Rhino can be cut by Silver Surfer's blade thanks to his power.

@Decoy Elite said:

@Super_SoldierXII: I don't think he'd be able to slash quick enough to take away Rhino's head without getting crushed in the process.

Quick enough to slice a bullet in half? I'd say he's plenty quick enough. Iaijustsu is all about the quick draw with a blade. Really bad fight for Rhino. Be like the biggest baddest dude alive trying to punch a dude with a loaded gun pointed at his noggin. Who's gonna win?

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Decoy Elite said:

@Super_SoldierXII: I don't think he'd be able to slash quick enough to take away Rhino's head without getting crushed in the process.

Quick enough to slice a bullet in half? I'd say he's plenty quick enough. Iaijustsu is all about the quick draw with a blade. Really bad fight for Rhino. Be like the biggest baddest dude alive trying to punch a dude with a loaded gun pointed at his noggin. Who's gonna win?

Yeah, but when he sliced the bullet it stopped moving. The Rhino's body would still have quite a bit of momentum going for it.

Yes, I am in fact inferring that SS gets one shotted by a dead Rhino.

@Decoy Elite said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Decoy Elite said:

@Super_SoldierXII: I don't think he'd be able to slash quick enough to take away Rhino's head without getting crushed in the process.

Quick enough to slice a bullet in half? I'd say he's plenty quick enough. Iaijustsu is all about the quick draw with a blade. Really bad fight for Rhino. Be like the biggest baddest dude alive trying to punch a dude with a loaded gun pointed at his noggin. Who's gonna win?

Yeah, but when he sliced the bullet it stopped moving. The Rhino's body would still have quite a bit of momentum going for it.

Yes, I am in fact inferring that SS gets one shotted by a dead Rhino.

LOL i have that image in my mind now

@Super_SoldierXII: @Decoy Elite: I think you guys are missing out on one key factor: the environment. It's not a clear path from him to Harada (assuming they're the ones to face off). This excessive amount of vehicles will play a role not only for cover, but also for weapons if he's knocking them around.

@Illuminatus: Please refer to dead Rhino smack down.

No, because he does it consistently enough. I file it under the same thing I file under the Flash's Rouges like Captain Cold, he's so used to firing at someone so fast that he just is that much faster reaction wise. I say he can tag either of them.

You can KO people with Healing factors and Lizard has the strength to do so.

@k4tzm4n said:

@Super_SoldierXII: @Decoy Elite: I think you guys are missing out on one key factor: the environment. It's not a clear path from him to Harada (assuming they're the ones to face off). This excessive amount of vehicles will play a role not only for cover, but also for weapons if he's knocking them around.

You ruined dead Rhino smack down. Curse you.

Good point though.

@k4tzm4n: Then in that case Rhino would go down i still think they would be able to take Shocker all 3 are better fighters and have speed on there side.

@mrdecepticonleader: Being a better fighter than Herman doesn't mean a thing. The guy doesn't excel in hand-to-hand, he excels with his blasts and his durability. Their speed is nothing new to him, seeing as he regularly faces Spider-Man - who is faster than anyone on team Wolverine.

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@k4tzm4n: Then in that case Rhino would go down i still think they would be able to take Shocker all 3 are better fighters and have speed on there side.

Being a better fighter than Shocker doesn't matter because he's just going to shoot them. A lot.

@Illuminatus: My response the post you referenced, but now you might as well look at k4tz post. As usual he's 2 steps ahead of me *shakes fist at sky*

They both won't be able to go after him at the same time due to his teammates.

Agility game doesn't work well against the Lizard. He gives Spider-Man a tough time because of that. In most fights Spidey had to use environmental effects to weaken Lizard, something Creed will be hard pressed to do here.

@Decoy Elite said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@k4tzm4n: Then in that case Rhino would go down i still think they would be able to take Shocker all 3 are better fighters and have speed on there side.

Being a better fighter than Shocker doesn't matter because he's just going to shoot them. A lot.

@k4tzm4n said:

@mrdecepticonleader: Being a better fighter than Herman doesn't mean a thing. The guy doesn't excel in hand-to-hand, he excels with his blasts and his durability. Their speed is nothing new to him, seeing as he regularly faces Spider-Man - who is faster than anyone on team Wolverine.

But he cant fire at all 3 of them at the same time while he could blast one of them another could come up behind him and finish him off as all 3 are trained fighters that is were that would be an advantage as they could work together to take him down.

@mrdecepticonleader: All 3 of them won't be attacking him at once because they still have to do deal with his allies.

The location doesn't hand itself well to sneaking.

@Illuminatus: The Lizard's speed and Shocker blasting at them while backing up. (All the while tearing up the environment)

Who's distracting Lizard? At least Shocker will still be there to back him up.

And that's assuming that Rhino is taken out before hand.

Also how do you distract Lizard anyway? He'll notice if someone jumps on his freakin' back and he's not going to just let them stab his eyes.

@Decoy Elite: One of them are more than able to take him on,and if Silver Samurai has already decapitated a certain Rhino,that only leaves Herman and Curtis to be taken care of.

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@Decoy Elite: One of them are more than able to take him on,and if Silver Samurai has already decapitated a certain Rhino,that only leaves Herman and Curtis to be taken care of.

Not really. He can blast away any of them without much trouble. Sure he won't instantly KO them but he can take him down with time.

If Rhino goes down he's at the very least taking Harda with him.

And Curtis is a valid problem with the Wolverine team.

@Illuminatus said:

@k4tzm4n: Does Harada's teleportation ring count as "standard equipment"?

No. But even if he did have it, he's only used it to enter and exit environments. Never really for strikes like Nightcrawler would.

@k4tzm4n said:

@4joeblow: How does pre-Shed Lizard being "primal" mean anything against him? How is Shocker a "chump?" And Rhino isn't an idiot, unless you choose to only read the handful of instances where he's treated as such, and then disregard everything else.

Shocker isn't a chump, but he is certainly not on the level of any of Wolverine's villains in this battle. They can all dodge much faster than Shocker can shoot.

Rhino is mentally challenged, and it isn't a handful of instances where he is treated as such. Only in The Gauntlet has he really been shown as a typically average person, even though everywhere else he is brains over brawn, and nothing else.

Shocker may be smart, but in terms of strategies he is nowhere near Sabretooth, Deathstrike, or Silver Samurai. They are all much too skilled.

Now for a little rant unrelated to this topic: This match further proves my point that people are making DC characters seem weaker than they are only because they have won too many fights in the past. Why is it unbelievable that Deathstroke can't solo Rhino yet Lady Deathstrike or Sabretooth can? I call hogwash.

@Illuminatus said:

@k4tzm4n: Does Harada's teleportation ring count as "standard equipment"?

No. But even if he did have it, he's only used it to enter and exit environments. Never really for strikes like Nightcrawler would.

@Decoy Elite: They are smarter and much better fighters than Shocker is the only real advantage he has is his blasts even then he wont instantly KO them. And how will Rhino take down Harda with him?

@Illuminatus: It just the click of a button away. The only thing that slows him down is aiming.

He doesn't have it here. :P Not that he uses it in fights.

Lizard is just as agile as anyone else on the opposing team so death of a 100 cuts isn't going to cut it against him. He's just plain not going to let Creed cut his eyes out. He's fast enough to dodge and even a feral character won't stay still long enough for someone on their back to pull that off.

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@Decoy Elite: They are smarter and much better fighters than Shocker is the only real advantage he has is his blasts even then he wont instantly KO them. And how will Rhino take down Harda with him?

They're not smarter than Shocker. He's the smartest guy here. They're better fighters but that doesn't matter because he's a ranged attacker all the way. His blasts will still knock them back and hurt them.

Dead Rhino smack down or just plain vanilla one shot.

I've had a hard time deciding who i think would win this fight, but this is how i see the fight going. 
 
Silver Sameuri will kill Rhino but will take major damage in the process. 
 
Lizard will kill Lady deathstrike. 
 
Shocker will be spending the entire battle trying to hold off Creed while he gives supporting fire. 
 
Shocker will eventually see Silver Samuri beat Rhino and will K.O him, but Creed will kill him while he's distracted. 
 

 And finally Creed will beat Lizard. 
 
 
This is just how i see the battle going it could go any other way but i just think this is most acurate based on given evidence.