#1 Edited by laflux (14103 posts) - - Show Bio

American Eagle

Round One- Morals on for teams, and Flash cannot Vulk out.

Round Two- Morals off for teams, and Flash can Vulk out.

In Both rounds, Spider-Man and Kaine are forbidden from using Webbing on American Eagle.

American Eagle has standard Gear, Kaine's Stealth suit abilities have been disabled. Spider-Man only has Webbing, and no Horizon Lab gear.

Battle Takes Place on Shipment (Cod 4 map).

Opponents Start on opposite sides of the map longitudinally.

#2 Edited by Strider92 (16079 posts) - - Show Bio

So Peter doesn't have his full Standard Gear correct? Honestly I think Eagle might be the weak link. Vulked out Flash is capable of fighting and beating both Peter and Kaine in a 1v1 fight but he can't take them both at the same time which would happen as both Kaine and Peter are capable of tearing Eagle up. Kaine on his own was able to hold out against a Vulked out Flash and put a beating down on Carnage both he and Pete together are capable of beating a Vulked out Flash.

I'll go with the Spider-team for both rounds. Eagle seems like to much of a weak link.

#3 Posted by VeganDiet (977 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash's inexperience and unwillingness to go full out on Spidey ensures a win for the Spider-Team in round 1.

Round 2 is a little harder to tell, but Strider92's analysis seems about right.

#4 Posted by darktiger (4153 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

So Peter doesn't have his full Standard Gear correct? Honestly I think Eagle might be the weak link. Vulked out Flash is capable of fighting both Peter and Kaine in a 1v1 fight but he can't take them both at the same time which would happen as both Kaine and Peter are capable of tearing Eagle up. Kaine on his own was able to hold out against a Vulked out Flash and put a beating down on Carnage both he and Pete together are capable of beating a Vulked out Flash.

I'll go with the Spider-team for both rounds. Eagle seems like to much of a weak link.

I don't agree about eagle being a weak link he beat bullseye and was whipping venom

#5 Edited by Strider92 (16079 posts) - - Show Bio

@darktiger said:

I don't agree about eagle being a weak link he beat bullseye and was whipping venom

Beating Bullseye doesn't really put him on Venom's or Spider-man's level.

How was Eagle beating Venom? Do you have scans? That sounds a little fishy to me. Taskmaster also laid a whooping on Venom as Flash seem's to job quite a bit. Like Taskmaster this sounds like bad writing to me.

#6 Posted by DCsuperman0007 (515 posts) - - Show Bio

#7 Edited by laflux (14103 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@darktiger said:

I don't agree about eagle being a weak link he beat bullseye and was whipping venom

Beating Bullseye doesn't really put him on Venom's or Spider-man's level.

How was Eagle beating Venom? Do you have scans? That sounds a little fishy to me. Taskmaster also laid a whooping on Venom as Flash seem's to job quite a bit. Like Taskmaster this sounds like bad writing to me.

He's a 15-25 tonner by feats, I believe he one-shotted Eddie and was stalemating a Weakened Thing in an arm wrestling contest. He's Kinda like Warpath really, but better. Oh and he has crossbow bolts, not that they would be that useful LOL.

#8 Posted by darktiger (4153 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

@Strider92 said:

@darktiger said:

I don't agree about eagle being a weak link he beat bullseye and was whipping venom

Beating Bullseye doesn't really put him on Venom's or Spider-man's level.

How was Eagle beating Venom? Do you have scans? That sounds a little fishy to me. Taskmaster also laid a whooping on Venom as Flash seem's to job quite a bit. Like Taskmaster this sounds like bad writing to me.

He's a 15-25 tonner by feats, I believe he one-shotted Eddie and was stalemating a Weakened Thing in an arm wrestling contest. He's Kinda like Warpath really, but better. Oh and he has crossbow bolts, not that they would be that useful LOL.

He is not better then warpath

#9 Posted by They Killed Cap! (2243 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sorry, who is American Eage?

#10 Posted by Shawnbaby (10403 posts) - - Show Bio

@darktiger said:

@Strider92 said:

So Peter doesn't have his full Standard Gear correct? Honestly I think Eagle might be the weak link. Vulked out Flash is capable of fighting both Peter and Kaine in a 1v1 fight but he can't take them both at the same time which would happen as both Kaine and Peter are capable of tearing Eagle up. Kaine on his own was able to hold out against a Vulked out Flash and put a beating down on Carnage both he and Pete together are capable of beating a Vulked out Flash.

I'll go with the Spider-team for both rounds. Eagle seems like to much of a weak link.

I don't agree about eagle being a weak link he beat bullseye and was whipping venom

He was beating Gargan Venom...Everyone beats Gargan Venom.

#11 Edited by laflux (14103 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby:

@darktiger said:

@laflux said:

@Strider92 said:

@darktiger said:

I don't agree about eagle being a weak link he beat bullseye and was whipping venom

Beating Bullseye doesn't really put him on Venom's or Spider-man's level.

How was Eagle beating Venom? Do you have scans? That sounds a little fishy to me. Taskmaster also laid a whooping on Venom as Flash seem's to job quite a bit. Like Taskmaster this sounds like bad writing to me.

He's a 15-25 tonner by feats, I believe he one-shotted Eddie and was stalemating a Weakened Thing in an arm wrestling contest. He's Kinda like Warpath really, but better. Oh and he has crossbow bolts, not that they would be that useful LOL.

He is not better then warpath

Classic warpath definitely no. That guy was a beast. But current warpath isn't all that special. And I believe that American Eagle beat Brock.

#12 Posted by darktiger (4153 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

@Shawnbaby:

@darktiger said:

@laflux said:

@Strider92 said:

@darktiger said:

I don't agree about eagle being a weak link he beat bullseye and was whipping venom

Beating Bullseye doesn't really put him on Venom's or Spider-man's level.

How was Eagle beating Venom? Do you have scans? That sounds a little fishy to me. Taskmaster also laid a whooping on Venom as Flash seem's to job quite a bit. Like Taskmaster this sounds like bad writing to me.

He's a 15-25 tonner by feats, I believe he one-shotted Eddie and was stalemating a Weakened Thing in an arm wrestling contest. He's Kinda like Warpath really, but better. Oh and he has crossbow bolts, not that they would be that useful LOL.

He is not better then warpath

Classic warpath definitely no. That guy was a beast. But current warpath isn't all that special. And I believe that American Eagle beat Brock.

I know brock is almost good as spidey or scarlet

#13 Posted by laflux (14103 posts) - - Show Bio

@darktiger: Almost? Spider-Man wrecked Angelo, Gargan wasn't really much of a threat and he gave Flash a really good fight, and was barley on the wrong side of a stalemate. But Brock literally creamed him every time they fought in a straight up fight. He was much Stronger, just as fast by feats and had more versatile webbing, and actually used his abilities properly. So for American Eagle to One-Shot him like that is a good feat. Yes Ben Reilly (If your referring to the original Scarlet Spider-Man) did beat up Brock, but that was only because he had impact webbing and his Spider Sense wasn't effected by the Symbiote like Peter Parker. Ben Reilly once punched Brock, and Venom said words to the effect of if you want to live, your gonna have to do alot better than that.

#14 Posted by Shawnbaby (10403 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

@Shawnbaby:

@darktiger said:

@laflux said:

@Strider92 said:

@darktiger said:

I don't agree about eagle being a weak link he beat bullseye and was whipping venom

Beating Bullseye doesn't really put him on Venom's or Spider-man's level.

How was Eagle beating Venom? Do you have scans? That sounds a little fishy to me. Taskmaster also laid a whooping on Venom as Flash seem's to job quite a bit. Like Taskmaster this sounds like bad writing to me.

He's a 15-25 tonner by feats, I believe he one-shotted Eddie and was stalemating a Weakened Thing in an arm wrestling contest. He's Kinda like Warpath really, but better. Oh and he has crossbow bolts, not that they would be that useful LOL.

He is not better then warpath

Classic warpath definitely no. That guy was a beast. But current warpath isn't all that special. And I believe that American Eagle beat Brock.

No, It was Mac Gargan.

#15 Posted by Shawnbaby (10403 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

@darktiger: Almost? Spider-Man wrecked Angelo, Gargan wasn't really much of a threat and he gave Flash a really good fight, and was barley on the wrong side of a stalemate. But Brock literally creamed him every time they fought in a straight up fight. He was much Stronger, just as fast by feats and had more versatile webbing, and actually used his abilities properly. So for American Eagle to One-Shot him like that is a good feat. Yes Ben Reilly (If your referring to the original Scarlet Spider-Man) did beat up Brock, but that was only because he had impact webbing and his Spider Sense wasn't effected by the Symbiote like Peter Parker. Ben Reilly once punched Brock, and Venom said words to the effect of if you want to live, your gonna have to do alot better than that.

And Ben did do a lot better...Impact Webbing FTW.

#16 Posted by Hyperlight (5418 posts) - - Show Bio

good match but i dont know too much about american eagle but as a wholw team 2 is stronger.... team 1 is more agile though. Due to flash's lack of experience and american eagles inexperience with dealing with a vast number of heroes ( American eagle is usually in the Arizona/New Mexico area and he said there arent many metahumans around there). Team 1 should be able to win

#17 Posted by Strider92 (16079 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

@darktiger: Almost? Spider-Man wrecked Angelo, Gargan wasn't really much of a threat and he gave Flash a really good fight, and was barley on the wrong side of a stalemate. But Brock literally creamed him every time they fought in a straight up fight. He was much Stronger, just as fast by feats and had more versatile webbing, and actually used his abilities properly. So for American Eagle to One-Shot him like that is a good feat. Yes Ben Reilly (If your referring to the original Scarlet Spider-Man) did beat up Brock, but that was only because he had impact webbing and his Spider Sense wasn't effected by the Symbiote like Peter Parker. Ben Reilly once punched Brock, and Venom said words to the effect of if you want to live, your gonna have to do alot better than that.

American Eagle 1-shotted Brock? What were the circumstances of this fight because Brock has taken much heavier hits that a 20ton blow and shrugged it off without much problem.

#18 Posted by Shawnbaby (10403 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@laflux said:

@darktiger: Almost? Spider-Man wrecked Angelo, Gargan wasn't really much of a threat and he gave Flash a really good fight, and was barley on the wrong side of a stalemate. But Brock literally creamed him every time they fought in a straight up fight. He was much Stronger, just as fast by feats and had more versatile webbing, and actually used his abilities properly. So for American Eagle to One-Shot him like that is a good feat. Yes Ben Reilly (If your referring to the original Scarlet Spider-Man) did beat up Brock, but that was only because he had impact webbing and his Spider Sense wasn't effected by the Symbiote like Peter Parker. Ben Reilly once punched Brock, and Venom said words to the effect of if you want to live, your gonna have to do alot better than that.

American Eagle 1-shotted Brock? What were the circumstances of this fight because Brock has taken much heavier hits that a 20ton blow and shrugged it off without much problem.

I think hes thinking about the incident in Thunderbolts during Civil War...but it wasn't Brock...it was Gargan

#19 Posted by Strider92 (16079 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby: Ah well thats a different story. Gargan was either a lot weaker or just one of the biggest jobbers in Marvel. Either way its not a great feat.

#20 Posted by laflux (14103 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@Shawnbaby: Ah well thats a different story. Gargan was either a lot weaker or just one of the biggest jobbers in Marvel. Either way its not a great feat.

crap I just realized it was Gargan. My bad.

#21 Edited by Shawnbaby (10403 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@Shawnbaby: Ah well thats a different story. Gargan was either a lot weaker or just one of the biggest jobbers in Marvel. Either way its not a great feat.

I think Gargan was Stronger than Brock due to his already enhanced Stats ...but he spent a lot of time jobbing...which is actually in character for him.

#22 Posted by laflux (14103 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@Strider92 said:

@Shawnbaby: Ah well thats a different story. Gargan was either a lot weaker or just one of the biggest jobbers in Marvel. Either way its not a great feat.

I think Gargan was Stronger than Brock due to his already enhanced Stats ...but he spent a lot of time jobbing...which is actually in character for him.

Yeah. Ironic when you think about it. I think one of his only decent showing was against Namor, but even then, he ambushed him with a weapon, and still got trashed in the end.