@Lasiurus said:
@BringnIt: Oh I don't think Terry is a 10 tonner. Even if he's peak and can lift 800 lbs, the resulting 10 times enhancement of the Beyond Suit would make him a four tonner at 8,000 lbs. Though this strength level would be capable of injuring Spider-Man, which if Terry's going to put him down is the important thing. Terry has a diverse arsenal, and since he's not exactly an idiot I could see him devising ways to trick Spider-Man's spider sense. Spider-Man's web fluid can be cut or burned through, both things Terry is capable of doing, rather from heating his suit up to 4,000 degrees or cutting it with a batarang. The suit is pretty resiliant, Terry has taken hits from Big Barda a class 100+ tonner, and remained conscious. I know Spider-Man had his Shang Chi training, but he's not a formal fighter, while Terry has had more training, in the martial arts area. Terry is known to fight dirty, and once he realizes Spider-Man has super strength, he'll be less likely to hold back. I think Spider-Man's speed, and reflexes would be the hardest things to overcome for Terry.
With regard to his strength level, I was allowing ten-tons to make it more even. Peter regularly engages opponents in the double digits tonnage and his durability to blunt trauma is incredible. The majority of his rogues gallery is well above 4-tons and he has no problems taking repeated blows from them--Rhino (85-tonner), Carnage (50), Venom (up to 25), Molten Man (50), Kaine (25), Black Tarantula (25) all have taken repeated blows to take Peter down--and barring a few PIS showings it's consistent that his blunt trauma soak is one of the best of all streets. He has tanked shots from thrown cars, tanked explosives and various other damage outputs and it's clear that his primary weakness is to piercing and stabbing damage.
In terms of Terry's ability to trick the spider sense, Peter routinely fights geniuses like Otto Octavius and Norman Osborn who despite their familiarity with him have never been able to do so. Only Tony Stark has and he had the Iron Spidey suit constantly analyzing Peter in order to do so. Even if Terry improbably is able to do so, which I'm going to ask you to provide instances of him doing something similar, due to Peter's Way of the Spider training he is no longer reliant on Spider Sense and is arguably at least as good in direct combat without his spider sense now than he was with his spider sense prior to his training.
In terms of Terry's durability, I don't know what the consistent showing of his durability is, but the Big Barda thing sounds like PIS--Peter has tanked hits from the Hulk, Colossus-Juggernaut and so forth--and Peter has excelled at outsmarting and taking down villains with super durability in the past like Morlun, Crusher Creel, once the Hulk, Rhino and so forth, and that was before his upgraded technology like cryo pellets that he could use for incapacitation assuming that Peter's strength and knowledge of pressure points wouldn't be sufficient.
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