@Super_SoldierXII said:
@ChaosBlazer said:
Spiderman and Beast take this one.
People have been talking about Luke's highest stats, like taking a chi punch. However these are inconsistent with other feats, like getting his arse handed to him by Scorpion. And Iron Fist's chi punch has hurt Skaar; I doubt that chi punch against Luke was him going all out. Luke's tough and strong but he isn't impervious.
Anyways Spiderman has the best equipment here, he's the fastest, and after his training from Shang Chi he's faster and more skilled than before. Spidey can take either Rand or Cage, and Beast is fast and strong enough to hold off Fist or Cage. I do admit I don't think Beast can defeat either of Team 2.
Parker versus Rand is very debatable. Fact is, Danny has a very difficult tool set for Peter to deal with. His Iron Fist amps him considerably, his martial skill is second to none ... I'd put him a hair above Wolverine despite their sparring match. His damage output could potentially one shot Parker, he has range, he has area of effect, he can avoid incap via webbing, and he's super humanly fast ... like, catching a bullet with ease type fast.
As to Luke, I think Parker could find a way to beat him, but not before Rand takes care of Hank. Outside of plot and environment, the only real way Parker beats Cage is via pressure point or Horizon Labs cyro pellet plot device crap. With said tech, I guess he can pull it off. Without it, Parker winning by landing a pressure point on Cage is very suspect IMHO. Just because top tier Black Panther pulled it off, doesn't mean Parker can by default. He's no where near Panther's skill pedigree.
IF and Wolverine are pretty close in terms of fighting skill. Wolverine and IF are both durable though Wolverine takes the cake easy in terms of blunt trauma durability. And the claws aren't as versatile or powerful as IF's chi, but Spiderman has dealt with opponents with energy-type area attacks, though not as skilled as IF. Yes IF is very fast but Spiderman is easily faster, the return of his spider sense in combination with his new fighting skills (he's obviously not the best fighter out there but his new skills allow him to move faster and with more control) puts him above Iron Fist. I personally think Spidey can take a few hits from IF, because its gonna be very tough for IF to land a direct, fully charged punch. If he does land a punch or kick, Spidey can move fast enough to tank the blow on a nonvital part of his body, and in most cases just dodge the blow completely. Also morals are on- Spidey will have no problem punching IF pretty hard as he can b/c Fist can take it, but Fist will probably have qualms about hitting Parker all out at first, he definitely doesn't want to kill Spidey- and the way his powers work, that could be possible (if IF actually landed a direct, charged punch on a vital part of Parker's body). Also Spiderman has the advantage of better technology. I dont think his webs will help too much except to distract IF, his cryo pellets will be dangerous to IF though.
Cage's durability has fluctuated alot through the years and there's tons of scans showing very high, almost Thing level durability, and others showing him unable to tank around 20 ton blows (his fight with Scorpion). I don't think he has consistent enough feats to show that he can tank several of Spidey's hardest hits without getting hurt, and once he's a little weakened Spidey can use a cryo pellet on him or something.
Beast isn't that great but he can definitely hold off either IF or Cage for some time. He's pretty strong, decently durable and quite fast as well. I don't think he'll go down very fast, plus him and Spiderman are a good team. They are both very smart and should be able to outsmart Cage and Rand.l
Iron Fist's dealt with folks using precog as a means to avoid in the past. While Parker is faster, I always differentiate between speed and combat reflexes. Both Logan and Rand have shown they have combat reflexes, coupled with their skill, in spades to keep stride with Spider-Man in a brawl. Catching a bullet is a fantastic feat - couple that speed with second to none skill and he will definitely put Parker's spider-sense enhanced avoidance to task. Spider-sense has shown itself to be fallible enough, highlighting a distinct weakness in the face of adversaries skilled enough to set-up a bypass.
Personally, I see a Spider-Man versus Iron Fist fight as close. I don't take exception to folks who feel Parker takes it as it is extremely close. Rand's versatility with his chi, his skill, speed and striking power that can give a Hulk level character pause, (hypnotic fist as the poster above mentioned is another tool that could turn the tide as well) make him a tough fight for Parker to get clear of. I think Rand can take him. I think Parker can take Rand. The versatility of Rand clinches a small majority in my mind still though ...
And really, Hank is probably the weak link. I feel the Iron Fist versus Spider-Man fight would run longer than Luke Cage versus Beast would ... and vice versa. I see Spider-Man getting tag teamed before the inverse holds true.
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