Spider-Man and Bat Rogues vs Batman and Spider-man Rogues

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#1  Edited By Young_Murloc

Team 1

Spider-man(current Peter)

Mr.Freeze(New and pre52)

Bane(New and pre52)

Clayface(New and pre52)

VS

Team 2

Batman(New and Pre52)

Lizard(standard)

Green Goblin(standard)

Win by ko, death, incap, or surrender

all have standard gear

fight in the middle Metropolis park around 75 feet apart

Round 1-no prep in character

Round 2-2 weeks prep in character

Fight!!!!!!

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Lizard can solo

Team 2

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Lizard solos

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Standard Lizard can't solo, team two does seem to have the edge though.

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@dondave said:

Lizard solos

In round 1 this

Round 2 I feel that Bruce and Norman together are better at prep than Peter and Bane, and otherwise Lizard is the MVP in a physical match-up

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Isn't Lizard a telepath now, or something like that?

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Lizard is MVP round 1. Round 2 is funny because in character Peter isn't going to work with Bane very well and Bruce and Norman won't really work well together. So it's Freeze working with Bane and Peter prepping solo and Norman and Bruce both prepping solo. As long as Peter can prep for and take down Lizard they have a chance at round 2.

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#9  Edited By jashro44

@jedixman said:

Isn't Lizard a telepath now, or something like that?

He doesn't seem to have that ability any more in his recent form. He was physically man handling spider-man though.

All though the OP says standard Lizard so not sure if this is current Lizard. Team 2 does win either way.

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@jashro44 Pre No Turning Back Lizard could probably solo as well

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@young_murloc Before his recent amp, Spider-Man claimed that Lizard is three times stronger than him. Now that he's even stronger, he'd have no problem soloing.

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Team 2 takes this

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#13  Edited By OriginalGL_Alan

In either Round the biggest threat for Team 2 is Freeze, simply because Lizard, the big threat on Team 2, is still cold-blooded. However, if Batman or Goblin can take down Freeze early on, Lizard will not have much of an issue with either Bane or Parker.

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@dondave said:

@jashro44 Pre No Turning Back Lizard could probably solo as well

That would be shed Lizard. I think Pre shed Lizard would lose. He could potentially beat Peter but I think a cryo pellet and Mister Freeze combined would seriously affect Lizard. Would probably slow him down at least.

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#15  Edited By Ultragreenboy
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Spider Man has already joined Batman's team

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@jashro44 Lizard could blitz Victor before he could anything worthwhile

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@dondave said:

@jashro44 Lizard could blitz Victor before he could anything worthwhile

Well Peter wouldn't just let that happen. He can hold Lizard at bay long enough IMO.

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@jashro44 said:

@dondave said:

@jashro44 Lizard could blitz Victor before he could anything worthwhile

Well Peter wouldn't just let that happen. He can hold Lizard at bay long enough IMO.

While that is true, both Goblin and Batman can take out Freeze before he can do anything significant to Lizard. Even without prep, Batman still has enough knowledge on Freeze to be able to exploit the weaknesses of his suit, and Goblin can just beat him pretty handily.

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#19  Edited By jashro44

@jashro44 said:

@dondave said:

@jashro44 Lizard could blitz Victor before he could anything worthwhile

Well Peter wouldn't just let that happen. He can hold Lizard at bay long enough IMO.

While that is true, both Goblin and Batman can take out Freeze before he can do anything significant to Lizard. Even without prep, Batman still has enough knowledge on Freeze to be able to exploit the weaknesses of his suit, and Goblin can just beat him pretty handily.

I agree team 2 wins. We are talking about a scenario of Lizard solo vs team one.

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Team 1

Spider-man(current Peter)

Mr.Freeze(New and pre52)

Bane(New and pre52)

VS

Team 2

Batman(New and Pre52)

Lizard(standard)

Green Goblin(standard)

Win by ko, death, incap, or surrender

all have standard gear

fight in the middle Metropolis park around 75 feet apart

Round 1-no prep in character

Round 2-2 weeks prep in character

Fight!!!!!!

For Team 2 to secure their victory, I'd have Lizard v Parker, Bane v Batman, and Osborn v Freeze to start the match out. I think Osborn can make pretty quick work of Freeze, thus taking out Team 1's biggest weapon against the true power of Team 2, Lizard. Goblin helps Lizard take down Parker, or helps Batman take down Bane (not that they'd need too much help, but that extra cushion of support is always good in battle.)

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@jashro44 said:

@originalgl_alan said:
@jashro44 said:

@dondave said:

@jashro44 Lizard could blitz Victor before he could anything worthwhile

Well Peter wouldn't just let that happen. He can hold Lizard at bay long enough IMO.

While that is true, both Goblin and Batman can take out Freeze before he can do anything significant to Lizard. Even without prep, Batman still has enough knowledge on Freeze to be able to exploit the weaknesses of his suit, and Goblin can just beat him pretty handily.

I agree team 2 wins. We are talking about a scenario of Lizard solo vs team one.

Solo, Lizard can easily take down Bane (really anyone on Team 2 can without too much difficulty), but you're right with Freeze being the biggest threat. I don't know if Parker would be able to hold current Lizard off long enough for Freeze to make a significant impact on Lizard, but I could be overestimating Lizard here.

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how is Lizard solo'ing when Mr.Freeze is on an opposing side?

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@jedixman: @granitesoldier: @dondave: @jashro44: @originalgl_alan:

Lizard wont have telepathy for these fight.........how about I give team 1 more prep could that help???

Honestly, the danger Lizard poses isn't from TP, it's from his physiology. The only way I could see Team 1 winning even with the prep time, would be if you could somehow set them up so that their personalities and moralities wouldn't clash in making a plan, but that's just me.

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Marko solos Round 1

If Bruce is aware of Marko, then Team 2 wins.Other than that, Team 1

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@reaverlation: @nickzambuto: @jbu22: @dondave: @jashro44: @originalgl_alan: ok I added Clayface to team 1, does that help???

Sorry for all the tags :P

I think that would make Round 1 a stalemate as opposed to a Team 2 victory. Bane is still the weakest link on that Team, but he wasn't much of a factor to begin with against Goblin and Lizard. Adding Clayface is giving Team 1 a character who really can't be damaged by Team 2, but I don't think he has the speed or skill to take out Lizard or Goblin.

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Clayface solos

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@dondave said:

Clayface solos

I disagree. While there is nothing that Team 2 can do to Clayface without having prior knowledge, Clayface doesn't have the combat speed feats to make me believe that he could defeat, let alone tag Lizard. Goblin is a big possibility, and Bats is an almost definite defeat.

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@originalgl_alan He wouldn't need to. If Lizard attacks him, Clayface just swallows him.

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how can lizard solo when he loses to spiderman by himself? however, the team wins.

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I assume the OP edited. I was like "WTF how is he meant to hurt Clayface?" then everyone changed opinion.

Clayface does the dougie.

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how can lizard solo when he loses to spiderman by himself? however, the team wins.

Lizard has actually proven to be too much for Peter multiple times.

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@christianrapper said:

how can lizard solo when he loses to spiderman by himself? however, the team wins.

Lizard has actually proven to be too much for Peter multiple times.

he still usually beats him more than lizards beats him.

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@monsterstomp said:

@christianrapper said:

how can lizard solo when he loses to spiderman by himself? however, the team wins.

Lizard has actually proven to be too much for Peter multiple times.

he still usually beats him more than lizards beats him.

I don't think so. But then again I haven't read many issues involving Lizard.