#1 Posted by Nelomaxwell (10431 posts) - - Show Bio

Fight takes place in NYC

Current versions of both

Random encounter

Current gear.

No BFR.

No one is bloodlusted

Win by KO

Starts on a roof.

Who wins and why?

#2 Posted by Nelomaxwell (10431 posts) - - Show Bio
#3 Posted by jashro44 (20479 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-man 2099 does have enhanced senses so stealth wont be effective. I am not entirely clear on if they would help him predict Black Panthers teleports though. It depends what sort of approach black panther goes for. If he tries stealth he will lose. If he tries teleporting I think he can win. If he tries to fighting head on then he will lose.

All though my knowledge is limited on Miguel so @strider92 is probably more qualified.

#4 Edited by Nelomaxwell (10431 posts) - - Show Bio
#5 Posted by jashro44 (20479 posts) - - Show Bio
#6 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (5713 posts) - - Show Bio

Miguel

#7 Posted by Nelomaxwell (10431 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (5713 posts) - - Show Bio

Reasons.

Actually, never mind. I forgot BP has superpowers now and know nothing on his current abilities. I thought this was standard BP.

#9 Posted by Nelomaxwell (10431 posts) - - Show Bio
#10 Posted by OreoAssassin (4599 posts) - - Show Bio

@nelomaxwell: I would love some feats lol not familiar with current black panther with powers

#11 Posted by Hyperlight (5679 posts) - - Show Bio

Miguel is superior in every way except for martial arts abilities and senses(maybe).. if he is serious.. miguel wins.

unless BP has some powers i dont know about

#12 Posted by Nelomaxwell (10431 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyperlight:

Thanks Hypes. Even Current KOD BP?

@nelomaxwell: I would love some feats lol not familiar with current black panther with powers

Gimme a bit to finish this paper and I'll shoot em over here.

#13 Posted by OreoAssassin (4599 posts) - - Show Bio
#14 Edited by Super_SoldierXII (6210 posts) - - Show Bio

Miguel is superior in every way except for martial arts abilities and senses(maybe).. if he is serious.. miguel wins.

unless BP has some powers i dont know about

Problem being, in a fight, martial ability is the more valued asset. Especially in comic land wherein it is a superpower in and of itself.

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#15 Posted by ntb101 (859 posts) - - Show Bio

spider-man 2099

#16 Posted by Hyperlight (5679 posts) - - Show Bio

@super_soldierxii: i would agree if cap was only a step or two below miguel physically....but miguel is leagues ahead of cap.

#17 Posted by Nelomaxwell (10431 posts) - - Show Bio

BP "punching a guy in half "According to Hickman.

@oreoassassin:

Bp showing super speed also according to Hickman.

BP teleporting and displaying his great reaction time.

BP beating black Dwarf although with difficulty and narrowly.

#18 Posted by homicidalmaniac (7322 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Panther

#19 Edited by Strider92 (16238 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

Spider-man 2099 does have enhanced senses so stealth wont be effective. I am not entirely clear on if they would help him predict Black Panthers teleports though. It depends what sort of approach black panther goes for. If he tries stealth he will lose. If he tries teleporting I think he can win. If he tries to fighting head on then he will lose.

All though my knowledge is limited on Miguel so @strider92 is probably more qualified.

Pretty much my thoughts. If BP tries to fight fair he'll most likely loose due to the stat difference. Unless Slott has nerfed Miguel recently he should be significantly stronger than Peter. Given his showings against the likes of Namor 2099, Thor 2099 and Maestro i'd guess he's around the 40-50ton mark prior to exertion. If BP tries to make this a head on confrontation he's in for a nasty surprise especially due to Miguel's "if you piss me off i'll slit your throat" attitude.

With regards to his enhanced senses they are indeed very strong. Strong enough to see radio waves with his eyes and react to missles long before they reach him. Suffice to say they are good. So good in fact they act as borderline pre-cog.

I do think this can go either way. Physically Miguel most likely dominates however he hasn't fought many characters with a skilled fighting background. BP could definitely take advantage of this.

The one thing that makes me lean towards Miguel is that bite he has. Its decked out healers with little difficulty. I know BP's suit is good against blunt truama but how would it hold up to Miguels bite and claws?

#20 Posted by jashro44 (20479 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: Current black panther doesn't have his vibranium suit. All though if he did the suit is vulnerable to slashing along the grain so he can probably scratch it. Not sure if biting someone counts as slashing damage (seems more like stabbing to me) but it wouldn't pass through the suit if he isn't slashing. The vibranium suit has allowed black panther to tank hits from iron man, hits from a bloodlusted iron fist (which were stated to be equivalent to a freight train), and a energy blast from stardust.

He would be able to cut the suit by slashing but stabbing wouldn't work.

#21 Posted by Nelomaxwell (10431 posts) - - Show Bio
#22 Posted by jashro44 (20479 posts) - - Show Bio

@nelomaxwell: I think he is sort of fine the way he is. I imagine due to his energy daggers it comes to who gets the first hit. Miguel has way better physicals but I think the teleporter makes up for it.

#23 Posted by Strider92 (16238 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

He would be able to cut the suit by slashing but stabbing wouldn't work.

Just out of pure curiosity is there a reason stabbing doesn't work? I know Vibe tanks blunt force like no tomorrow but isn't stabbing more towards penetrative like slashing?

#24 Edited by Nelomaxwell (10431 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: I think since there's still force involved in stabbing it would count as kinetic. You need a certain amount of strength to stab a person and get through flesh.

#25 Posted by Ironshinobi88 (1165 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: Vibranium will absorb the impact of said sharp knife or claw, you need a very very sharp claw to cut vibranium it needs to be adamantium grade material

#26 Edited by OreoAssassin (4599 posts) - - Show Bio
#27 Posted by jashro44 (20479 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

He would be able to cut the suit by slashing but stabbing wouldn't work.

Just out of pure curiosity is there a reason stabbing doesn't work? I know Vibe tanks blunt force like no tomorrow but isn't stabbing more towards penetrative like slashing?

I don't really recall a reason ever being provided. Its probably due to the properties of vibranium (vibranium itself isn't suppose to be durable, the reason it takes the damage it does is because it absorbs energy [including kinetic energy]). Slashing has just always been a weakness to the suit. The suit has allowed black panther to take multiple bullets, and knives have broke when they stab into him (including when killmonger did it). So it has shown to be durable to stabbing damage.

#28 Posted by Nelomaxwell (10431 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: You think they'll ever show what happened during his fight with Dwarf?

#29 Posted by jashro44 (20479 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: You think they'll ever show what happened during his fight with Dwarf?

Unfortunately no...All though we may see a round 2 because of Namor (or maybe he will take on another member of the black order who knows).

#30 Edited by Nelomaxwell (10431 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@nelomaxwell said:

@jashro44: You think they'll ever show what happened during his fight with Dwarf?

Unfortunately no...All though we may see a round 2 because of Namor (or maybe he will take on another member of the black order who knows).

Ugh. I wish they would actually make Panther a focus once in a while like they claimed. We're all dying to see what he can actually do.

#31 Posted by jashro44 (20479 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@nelomaxwell said:

@jashro44: You think they'll ever show what happened during his fight with Dwarf?

Unfortunately no...All though we may see a round 2 because of Namor (or maybe he will take on another member of the black order who knows).

Ugh. I wish they would actually make Panther a focus once in a while like they claimed. We're all dying to see what he can actually do.

They might be. We do know that the black order will come to Wakanda because of what Namor said. All though black panther may have to share the attention with black bolt.

#32 Posted by Nelomaxwell (10431 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@nelomaxwell said:

@jashro44 said:

@nelomaxwell said:

@jashro44: You think they'll ever show what happened during his fight with Dwarf?

Unfortunately no...All though we may see a round 2 because of Namor (or maybe he will take on another member of the black order who knows).

Ugh. I wish they would actually make Panther a focus once in a while like they claimed. We're all dying to see what he can actually do.

They might be. We do know that the black order will come to Wakanda because of what Namor said. All though black panther may have to share the attention with black bolt.

I'd really dig seeing the Midnight King and the King of the Dead throwing down against the Cull.

#33 Edited by WaveMotionCannon (5335 posts) - - Show Bio

BP

#34 Posted by Nelomaxwell (10431 posts) - - Show Bio