Speedsters vs Zoom

Speedsters

• Quicksilver
• Northstar
• Runner
• Makkari
• Bart Allern
• Barry Allen
• Wally West
• Jay Garrick

Will they put Zoom down, or will Zoom reign once again.

I'll put it this way...Zoom makes better heroes out of them...

Zoom solos.

@_Black said:

Zoom solos.

He's the only one on hi "team" so...

..Northstar and Quicksilver? Really?

@Petey_is_Spidey: It's a running joke around here if you haven't noticed.

Zoom is roughly unstoppable if he so chooses as he can be infinitely faster than everyone and everything else. You would need someone with reality manipulation and time manipulation to even stand a chance.

Northstar and Quicksilver may as well not even be here as they are slowpokes in comparison. They'll appear as statues to Zoom.

@_Black said:

Zoom solos.

@Illuminatus said:

..Northstar and Quicksilver? Really?

Just wanted to give the team as much help as possible.

@DedmanWalkin said:

Zoom is roughly unstoppable if he so chooses as he can be infinitely faster than everyone and everything else. You would need someone with reality manipulation and time manipulation to even stand a chance.

Northstar and Quicksilver may as well not even be here as they are slowpokes in comparison. They'll appear as statues to Zoom.

So not true. There are many non–reality warpers and non–time manipulators that can beat Zoom.

What person without reality or time manipulation can beat Zoom?

@DedmanWalkin:

1. Galactus
2. Silver Surfer(arguable)
3. Imperix
4. Molecule Man
5. Odin in Destroyer Amour
6. Runner
7. Doomsday
8. 8th Day Juggernaut(he can't even hurt Kurt)
9. Kal Kent

@DedmanWalkin said:

What person without reality or time manipulation can beat Zoom?

Dr Manhattan, Spawn (any version post 2end age), Time Trapper, Waverider, Phantom Stranger and ofc Squirrel Girl

Thats a few off the top of my head i'll think up some more later.

@Petey_is_Spidey: It's a running joke around here if you haven't noticed.

I don't see Zoom beating Barry, Wally and Jay at the same time. Hasn't Wally beaten Zoom before? I know that it took absorbing a couple of others speedsters speed, but he has plenty on his team to do that. I am quite frankly tired of the whole "Zoom is unbeatable" idea I see around here.

Runner demolishes him.

He's not taking Makkari and the Runner, especially not with Bart, Barry, Wally, and Jay. This whole Zoom is unbeatable thing is starting to get old. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Runner has some for of TP right? Not to mention he might actually be fast enough to grab Zoom, and take him into space.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Petey_is_Spidey: Who's Kurt? u mean Cain?...

@Floopay said:

He's not taking Makkari and the Runner, especially not with Bart, Barry, Wally, and Jay. This whole Zoom is unbeatable thing is starting to get old. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Runner has some for of TP right? Not to mention he might actually be fast enough to grab Zoom, and take him into space.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Runner beats Zoom. this has already been established.

@Petey_is_Spideysaid:

@DedmanWalkin:

1. Galactus
2. Silver Surfer(arguable)
3. Imperix
4. Molecule Man
5. Odin in Destroyer Amour
6. Runner
7. Doomsday
8. 8th Day Juggernaut(he can't even hurt Kurt)
9. Kal Kent

this is why i laughed at the site of this thread.

@LordMaverick said:

@Petey_is_Spidey: Who's Kurt? u mean Cain?...

Whoa. Yeah. Sorry, mixed him up with another character.

@Floopay said:

He's not taking Makkari and the Runner, especially not with Bart, Barry, Wally, and Jay. This whole Zoom is unbeatable thing is starting to get old. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Runner has some for of TP right? Not to mention he might actually be fast enough to grab Zoom, and take him into space.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Runner beats Zoom. this has already been established.

The Runner would beat him easily with help from his team. dont know much about Makkari to put in any input about him. But when it all boils down There are to many speedsters here for Zoom to handle The Runner would be overkill

@thanobomb1124 said:

@nickthedevil

@Floopay said:

He's not taking Makkari and the Runner, especially not with Bart, Barry, Wally, and Jay. This whole Zoom is unbeatable thing is starting to get old. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Runner has some for of TP right? Not to mention he might actually be fast enough to grab Zoom, and take him into space.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Runner beats Zoom. this has already been established.

Really?

yup... search the thread topic.

@*Void* said:

The Runner would beat him easily with help from his team. dont know much about Makkari to put in any input about him. But when it all boils down There are to many speedsters here for Zoom to handle The Runner would be overkill

No.

Zoom can solo the entire team except for Runner.

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@DedmanWalkin:

1. Galactus
2. Silver Surfer(arguable)
3. Imperiex
4. Molecule Man
5. Odin in Destroyer Amour
6. Runner
7. Doomsday
8. 8th Day Juggernaut(he can't even hurt Kurt)
9. Kal Kent

1. Galactus is a reality warper

2. Silver Surfer could not even touch Zoom, though Zoom could not hurt Silver Surfer

3. Imperiex is a reality warper

4. Molecule Man is a reality warper

5. Odin outside of his armor is a reality warper

6. The Runner is an of the Elders of the Universe, they are also capable of reality warping

7. Doomsday would be unable to touch Zoom, though Zoom could not hurt him

8. 8th Day Juggs is a reality warper

9. Kal Kent is of 5th Dimensional Ancestry and as such is a reality warper

@nickthedevil said:

@Petey_is_Spideysaid:

@DedmanWalkin:

1. Galactus
2. Silver Surfer(arguable)
3. Imperix
4. Molecule Man
5. Odin in Destroyer Amour
6. Runner
7. Doomsday
8. 8th Day Juggernaut(he can't even hurt Kurt)
9. Kal Kent

this is why i laughed at the site of this thread.

Wait to be hones't a lot of these people can beat Zoom.

About half of them can't.

Wait, what i meant was, this guy tries to find every possible way to bring down Zoom. It's hilarious. He just blatantly posts in threads that just leave it kinda obvious he has no idea what he's talking about.

You can throw as many Flashes as you want at Zoom, but unless they stack their speed, they're chaff.

Zoom`s fast. But he`s not smart. And he`s human. He`s been tagged before. That said, Nick is right, the Runner is the main threat.

@High Revolutionary said:

Zoom`s fast. But he`s not smart. And he`s human. He`s been tagged before. That said, Nick is right, the Runner is the main threat.

Zoom is not fast. He's just seemingly fast. He's smart enough. He's a human which I've never seen tire. Running around the world multiple times in less than a second without even tiring. But I agree he's been tagged before but most of the times that he's been tagged, his attention is drifting to other things that leaves him vulnerable and susceptible to attacks. And yeah, I really don't know if Zoom can take out Runner that fast. I mean a fight with these two... A guy who has probably no limits on his power to slow time vs a guy that can go at any speed he wants.

@emperorznb said:

@High Revolutionary said:

Zoom`s fast. But he`s not smart. And he`s human. He`s been tagged before. That said, Nick is right, the Runner is the main threat.

Zoom is not fast. He's just seemingly fast. He's smart enough. He's a human which I've never seen tire. Running around the world multiple times in less than a second without even tiring. But I agree he's been tagged before but most of the times that he's been tagged, his attention is drifting to other things that leaves him vulnerable and susceptible to attacks. And yeah, I really don't know if Zoom can take out Runner that fast. I mean a fight with these two... A guy who has probably no limits on his power to slow time vs a guy that can go at any speed he wants.

No. Zoom's time manipulation makes him fast, and this is why he doesn't get tired. He's been tagged because he wasn't careful and was being stupid (subsequently running away). He has been outsmarted in the past (by The Rouges for instance).

what makes zoom so unbeatable is he has been beaten b4?

Runner solos.

So... Zoom is just a guy going at normal speeds technically, and he just slows the world around him...? That would be terrible...

@High Revolutionary said:

No. Zoom's time manipulation makes him fast, and this is why he doesn't get tired. He's been tagged because he wasn't careful and was being stupid (subsequently running away). He has been outsmarted in the past (by The Rouges for instance).

That's what I said. He's not really going fast but he only appears to be fast because of his powers. And yes, Zoom may have a problem with ADHD... lol

@chaos-soul said:

what makes zoom so unbeatable is he has been beaten b4?

We are disregarding PIS and CIS.

@Butcher_Pete said:

So... Zoom is just a guy going at normal speeds technically, and he just slows the world around him...? That would be terrible...

Not the world. Then he would be a global time manipulator then... He just slows down relative time on himself to make him look fast. Hmmm... for example... he decides that he wants to travel 1000 kilometers in just 0.000000000000000001 seconds.

@emperorznb: Alright, but even though to everyone else he's moving at incredible speeds, he's actually just running at the speeds of a normal guy though? That's what I'm wondering, because he's had fights where he circles the globe several times... which to me seems just brutal if that's the case.

@emperorznb: Alright, but even though to everyone else he's moving at incredible speeds, he's actually just running at the speeds of a normal guy though? That's what I'm wondering, because he's had fights where he circles the globe several times... which to me seems just brutal if that's the case.

Zoom`s fast. But he`s not smart. And he`s human. He`s been tagged before. That said, Nick is right, the Runner is the main threat.

Zoom.

He solos.

@Butcher_Pete said:

@emperorznb: Alright, but even though to everyone else he's moving at incredible speeds, he's actually just running at the speeds of a normal guy though? That's what I'm wondering, because he's had fights where he circles the globe several times... which to me seems just brutal if that's the case.

Well that's Zoom for ya... He's running or even just walking like an average person would. It's just his powers that does all the work.

@High Revolutionary said:

No. Zoom's time manipulation makes him fast, and this is why he doesn't get tired. He's been tagged because he wasn't careful and was being stupid (subsequently running away). He has been outsmarted in the past (by The Rouges for instance).

That's what I said. He's not really going fast but he only appears to be fast because of his powers. And yes, Zoom may have a problem with ADHD... lol

@chaos-soul said:

what makes zoom so unbeatable is he has been beaten b4?

We are disregarding PIS and CIS.

@Butcher_Pete said:

So... Zoom is just a guy going at normal speeds technically, and he just slows the world around him...? That would be terrible...

Not the world. Then he would be a global time manipulator then... He just slows down relative time on himself to make him look fast. Hmmm... for example... he decides that he wants to travel 1000 kilometers in just 0.000000000000000001 seconds.

@chaos-soul said:

Every time Zoom has lost it has PIS and CIS. I mean don't get me wrong he is powerful, but i really think he would lose this battle. so much speed force amping on Wally and Runner being faster than everyone.

He could handle Wally even being amped by other Flashes. Zoom has done it before.

@Illuminatus: Yes, I know to everyone else he's moving at insanely incomprehensible speeds, and he's "faster" than even the combined speed of the Flash family, and he hits harder than Superman and all that jazz. But, to himself, he's going at regular human speeds is he not? Which I'm saying, if that was the case, would be awful.

@emperorznb: I got into a whole thing with another viner on another thread over whether Zoom is actually fast or just appears to be going fast. I've got your back on this one.

@Illuminatus: Yes, I know to everyone else he's moving at insanely incomprehensible speeds, and he's "faster" than even the combined speed of the Flash family, and he hits harder than Superman and all that jazz. But, to himself, he's going at regular human speeds is he not? Which I'm saying, if that was the case, would be awful.

@Butcher_Pete: Yes he is... that's why he doesn't have the same problem Flash has... tripping for example.

@TheWitchingHour: May the force be with us xD

@chaos-soul said:

Every time Zoom has lost it has PIS and CIS. I mean don't get me wrong he is powerful, but i really think he would lose this battle. so much speed force amping on Wally and Runner being faster than everyone.

I agree with you there. With everything that Zoom has displayed in the past. As annoyingly serendipitous or inconsistent as it might be, it places him well above just about everyone else on the D.C. earth. PIS and CIS are pretty much his Kryptonite.

But I think that one reason he has been tagged by slower people in the past is because his powers are not always "on". Or rather he isn't always traveling through time at the same speed. He is of course capable of going accelerating his timeline to be "faster" than the Flash, but he's also capable of doing the opposite. Maybe this is how he is able to speak, by slowing down his timeline to something close to ours. If he's in a slower mode then someone like Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, or Liberty Bell can tag him if they're lucky enough to hit him at the right moment. But that's just a guess really. If I had to make up a reason for Zoom to be tagged by people who have a stagnant timeline and couldn't hope to keep up with him, that would be it.

As for the fight I'm pretty sure the Runner has won on the forums before.

@TheWitchingHour: I think it's the other way around IMO. If he slows time relative to him then he'd appear really fast. If he'd hasten it up then he'd approach ordinary levels.

But I think that one reason he has been tagged by slower people in the past is because his powers are not always "on". Or rather he isn't always traveling through time at the same speed. He is of course capable of going accelerating his timeline to be "faster" than the Flash, but he's also capable of doing the opposite. Maybe this is how he is able to speak, by slowing down his timeline to something close to ours. If he's in a slower mode then someone like Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, or Liberty Bell can tag him if they're lucky enough to hit him at the right moment. But that's just a guess really. If I had to make up a reason for Zoom to be tagged by people who have a stagnant timeline and couldn't hope to keep up with him, that would be it.