im not sure who would win . but so far team 2 might win but it was never clarified how strong the celestials are. I know arishem too a blast from odin and zeus no problem and began sealing dimensions away . one above all is supposibly the second most powerful celestial . and lower level celestial bested the detoryer with no effort really .
Team 1 due to COIE Anti-Moniter. Spectre is too much of a jobber.
Johns Spectre yeah he'd get whooped,but other than that I dont really see any jobbing in losing to Great Evil Beast,Pre retcon Parallax,Micheal,COIE Anti-Monitor,FC Mandrakk those guys blink universes out of existence and against 2 of them Spectre put up one hell of a fight leaving them weakened enough to be taken down.
Team 1 due to COIE Anti-Moniter. Spectre is too much of a jobber.
Johns Spectre yeah he'd get whooped,but other than that I dont really see any jobbing in losing to Great Evil Beast,Pre retcon Parallax,Micheal,COIE Anti-Monitor,FC Mandrakk those guys blink universes out of existence and against 2 of them Spectre put up one hell of a fight leaving them weakened enough to be taken down.
The Spear of Destiny is Spectre's kryptonite
I guess. Regardless though Anti-Moniter solo's this.
@entropy_aegis: don't forget spectre is somewhat limited by the host he possessed remember the time he went crazy and was without a host he bested many high tier magical beings. and was only stopped by the presence.
Scathan easily solos this he has power above Living tribunal and even protege. the idea that anti-monitor is more powerful than even the IG is absurd. spectre, maybe but probably not.
Team 1 due to COIE Anti-Moniter. Spectre is too much of a jobber.
Johns Spectre yeah he'd get whooped,but other than that I dont really see any jobbing in losing to Great Evil Beast,Pre retcon Parallax,Micheal,COIE Anti-Monitor,FC Mandrakk those guys blink universes out of existence and against 2 of them Spectre put up one hell of a fight leaving them weakened enough to be taken down.
The Spear of Destiny is Spectre's kryptonite
I guess. Regardless though Anti-Moniter solo's this.
NOT!!! AM aint beatin the Celestial whom LT needed to save the multiverse.
When your single showing, feat and power is completely disabling a greater than Living Tribunal being by pointing your finger, you don't need much else, lol.
Why exactly was it PIS, people look at the feat of him subduing Protege, the point however is, throughout the story arc Scanthan was held with utmost respect, and in fact LT acknoweledge Scanthan possibly as his approval.
Had Scanthan only show of power had been subduing Protege i would have agreed. Seeing how much respect he got throughout the story arc, there is good indication to believe he was in fact written throughout the story arc to be extremely powerful. Its upto writer to write someone as powerful as they want. Without any other feats from Scanthan to point to the contrary, calling a canon feat, backed by bio, a PIS seems unwise.
Why exactly was it PIS, people look at the feat of him subduing Protege, the point however is, throughout the story arc Scanthan was held with utmost respect, and in fact LT acknoweledge Scanthan possibly as his approval.
Had Scanthan only show of power had been subduing Protege i would have agreed. Seeing how much respect he got throughout the story arc, there is good indication to believe he was in fact written throughout the story arc to be extremely powerful. Its upto writer to write someone as powerful as they want. Without any other feats from Scanthan to point to the contrary, calling a canon feat, backed by bio, a PIS seems unwise.
Why exactly was it PIS, people look at the feat of him subduing Protege, the point however is, throughout the story arc Scanthan was held with utmost respect, and in fact LT acknoweledge Scanthan possibly as his approval.
Had Scanthan only show of power had been subduing Protege i would have agreed. Seeing how much respect he got throughout the story arc, there is good indication to believe he was in fact written throughout the story arc to be extremely powerful. Its upto writer to write someone as powerful as they want. Without any other feats from Scanthan to point to the contrary, calling a canon feat, backed by bio, a PIS seems unwise.
^AGREED....Notice that every time LT referred to Scathan, it was in big bold print.
I made a case for why Scanthan was above LT, and why it makes sense in http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/cosmic-armor-superman-and-spectre-vs-living-tribunal/684506/?page=3 thread, this is just a copy paste of my previous post
When the Protege story arc started, it was shown that he can only copy powers once they are demonstrated. He did exactly that to Malevolent, but his powers seem to actually increase throughout the story arc.
Because during GOTG 50, merely seeing LT talk to eternity, Protege manifest's his powers, in the totality. He was, at the least, just as powerful as LT.
The writer gives us the reactions of the LT, Eternity, Scathan and Hawgod.
The LT's conclusion is ... "logical confirmation"
So the LT himself agrees!
Certainly looks like Protege copied all of LTs powers , and bio agrees:
LT's official bio corroborates the entire incident . It clearly mentions that Protege "manifested the Tribunal's own powers" , and it also clearly states that it was Scathan who saved reality :
Furthermore it was not only LT's power he had copied. He had also copied the powers of Eternity, Hawkgods, Mephisto and his daughter, and Beyonder's power and is still defeated because Scanthan Judged against him.
Furthermore, when entire platheora of abstracts, including LT were moving against Protege, Living Tribunal himself says he may need extra powers and was going to absorb from the ancient one. So even with abstracts on his side LT still needed extra powers, certainly shows he was at the very least LT's equal.
Further, supporting facts that LT was likely actually drawing on the amulet of the ancient one
So regardless of how weird it sounds, at least me both on panel evidence and bio seem to agree Protege was at the very least just as powerful as LT, if not above.
Same protege Scanthan defeated.
Furthermore, GOTG 45 LT himself waited till he (Scanthan) arrived, while this is not a hard and fast proof to show Scanthan as above LT but certainly looks like even LT was showing some respect to Scanthan.
More stuffs to support Scanthan might be above LT as the issue and the bio at the end potray.
Here LT addresses him as the approval (his approval i would think)
This is further substantiated by a later even, after LT decides to absorb Protege into himself, they wait for final approval from Scanthan, it looks like Scanthan does have the last say, shows more stature.
Judging by the action and stress Beyonder puts to address a celestial, certainly looks like Scanthan is no ordinary celestial, after all Beyonder has some uber feats like making his own universe, and causing a trans-multiversal destruction as a side effect of his fight with Molecule Man (i am still talking about post recton just to assume you)
First this scan:
followed by this:
In short with all this scan spammage ,sorry got a little carried away =[ , what i am trying to say is Scanthan throughout the issue was written with a lot more respect than a mere celestial, given the respect shown to him throughout the story arc he must have been a bit special then just a celestial, because why else would Eternity or Living Tribual show such respect to Scanthan, wait for his approval, even Beyonder who without a doubt is more powerful than every other celestial we have seen thus far seems totally humbled by Scanthan's presence.
I made a case for why Scanthan was above LT, and why it makes sense in http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/cosmic-armor-superman-and-spectre-vs-living-tribunal/684506/?page=3 thread, this is just a copy paste of my previous post
When the Protege story arc started, it was shown that he can only copy powers once they are demonstrated. He did exactly that to Malevolent, but his powers seem to actually increase throughout the story arc.
Because during GOTG 50, merely seeing LT talk to eternity, Protege manifest's his powers, in the totality. He was, at the least, just as powerful as LT.
The writer gives us the reactions of the LT, Eternity, Scathan and Hawgod.
The LT's conclusion is ... "logical confirmation"
So the LT himself agrees!
Certainly looks like Protege copied all of LTs powers , and bio agrees:
LT's official bio corroborates the entire incident . It clearly mentions that Protege "manifested the Tribunal's own powers" , and it also clearly states that it was Scathan who saved reality :
Furthermore it was not only LT's power he had copied. He had also copied the powers of Eternity, Hawkgods, Mephisto and his daughter, and Beyonder's power and is still defeated because Scanthan Judged against him.
Furthermore, when entire platheora of abstracts, including LT were moving against Protege, Living Tribunal himself says he may need extra powers and was going to absorb from the ancient one. So even with abstracts on his side LT still needed extra powers, certainly shows he was at the very least LT's equal.
Further, supporting facts that LT was likely actually drawing on the amulet of the ancient one
So regardless of how weird it sounds, at least me both on panel evidence and bio seem to agree Protege was at the very least just as powerful as LT, if not above.
Same protege Scanthan defeated.
Furthermore, GOTG 45 LT himself waited till he (Scanthan) arrived, while this is not a hard and fast proof to show Scanthan as above LT but certainly looks like even LT was showing some respect to Scanthan.
More stuffs to support Scanthan might be above LT as the issue and the bio at the end potray.
Here LT addresses him as the approval (his approval i would think)
This is further substantiated by a later even, after LT decides to absorb Protege into himself, they wait for final approval from Scanthan, it looks like Scanthan does have the last say, shows more stature.
Judging by the action and stress Beyonder puts to address a celestial, certainly looks like Scanthan is no ordinary celestial, after all Beyonder has some uber feats like making his own universe, and causing a trans-multiversal destruction as a side effect of his fight with Molecule Man (i am still talking about post recton just to assume you)
First this scan:
followed by this:
In short with all this scan spammage ,sorry got a little carried away =[ , what i am trying to say is Scanthan throughout the issue was written with a lot more respect than a mere celestial, given the respect shown to him throughout the story arc he must have been a bit special then just a celestial, because why else would Eternity or Living Tribual show such respect to Scanthan, wait for his approval, even Beyonder who without a doubt is more powerful than every other celestial we have seen thus far seems totally humbled by Scanthan's presence.
Thnx Kill....its all there and not very difficult to comprehend. I think its hard for people to accept the fact that Scathan is a Celestial and it seems that Celestial fans are limited in these battle forums. Like them or not....Marvel is pretty consistent with their power levels and rarely if ever have low showings. Even a decapitated head of a nobody Celestial was shown to have infinite knowledge on the multiverse. I mean, we can go on and on discussing their appearances in comics and none would be low showings. THNX again....ur post was awesome!!!
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