"Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA "
and it can be said so is spectre. the spectre with the presence backing him could give him a run for is money."
Wrong, Beyonder before his retcon WAS THE ONE ABOVE ALL. There fore he equates in power to the Presence, man of mircales, TOOA and other creators. They are truly omnipotent, and cannot be defeated.
"Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA "
and it can be said so is spectre. the spectre with the presence backing him could give him a run for is money."
Wrong, Beyonder before his retcon WAS THE ONE ABOVE ALL. There fore he equates in power to the Presence, man of mircales, TOOA and other creators. They are truly omnipotent, and cannot be defeated."
"Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA "
and it can be said so is spectre. the spectre with the presence backing him could give him a run for is money."
Wrong, Beyonder before his retcon WAS THE ONE ABOVE ALL. There fore he equates in power to the Presence, man of mircales, TOOA and other creators. They are omnipotent, and cannot be defeated."
well i agree that the beyonder would win you can't say that he would not be challenged by him.
"Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA "
and it can be said so is spectre. the spectre with the presence backing him could give him a run for is money."
Wrong, Beyonder before his retcon WAS THE ONE ABOVE ALL. There fore he equates in power to the Presence, man of mircales, TOOA and other creators. They are omnipotent, and cannot be defeated."
well i agree that the beyonder would win you can't say that he would not be challenged by him."
He won't, because the omnipotent creator is still leagues above the next most powerful being.
"Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA "
and it can be said so is spectre. the spectre with the presence backing him could give him a run for is money."
Wrong, Beyonder before his retcon WAS THE ONE ABOVE ALL. There fore he equates in power to the Presence, man of mircales, TOOA and other creators. They are omnipotent, and cannot be defeated."
well i agree that the beyonder would win you can't say that he would not be challenged by him."
He won't, because the omnipotent creator is still leagues above the next most powerful being."
beyonder was never TOAA he was a creation so this means he is weaker then TOAA and thus can be challenged.
"Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA "
and it can be said so is spectre. the spectre with the presence backing him could give him a run for is money."
Wrong, Beyonder before his retcon WAS THE ONE ABOVE ALL. There fore he equates in power to the Presence, man of mircales, TOOA and other creators. They are omnipotent, and cannot be defeated."
well i agree that the beyonder would win you can't say that he would not be challenged by him."
He won't, because the omnipotent creator is still leagues above the next most powerful being."
beyonder was never TOAA he was a creation so this means he is weaker then TOAA and thus can be challenged."
The Man of Yesteryear said:
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
Well now we're talking semantics, I don't know much about Beyonder and what he was, but I do know that he was originally created to be the omnipotent being, but was later cut down to size.
We use the same divide for classic and modern Doctor strange and Pre and post crisis Darkseid, even though they are by all accounts the same being.
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
If their was no such thing as Pre Ret then all DC characters would be at Pre Crisis levels since COIE was just a giant retcon"
Do you even understand how he was retconned? It turned out that all his super-feats were his imagination. Thus, never happened."
Except the most recent retcon of the Beyonder says he is nigh-omnipotent.
FYI:
Original Beyonder (From Secret Wars and Secret Wars II) = TOAA 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . . .even though the aftermath of it still did for the mainstream universe. 2nd Retcon - The BEyonder is a Mutant Inhuman who is nigh-omnipotent . . .story all screwed up.
Each is signifigantly different and none of the retcons properly expalines the previous events . . . so the retcons were all very bad PIS.
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
If their was no such thing as Pre Ret then all DC characters would be at Pre Crisis levels since COIE was just a giant retcon"
Do you even understand how he was retconned? It turned out that all his super-feats were his imagination. Thus, never happened."
Except the most recent retcon of the Beyonder says he is nigh-omnipotent.FYI:Original Beyonder (From Secret Wars and Secret Wars II) = TOAA1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . . .even though the aftermath of it still did for the mainstream universe.2nd Retcon - The BEyonder is a Mutant Inhuman who is nigh-omnipotent . . .story all screwed up.Each is signifigantly different and none of the retcons properly expalines the previous events . . . so the retcons were all very bad PIS."
so is there ANYONE out there who can take down the beyonder.
Thats a close fight Spectre is a powerful character in DC comics and Beyonder is a powerful character in the Marvel universe.They can both be omnipotent, but I think that Beyonder would win because The Presence can limit the Spectre's powers.
Spectre wins. It's like this: Molecule Man has overpowered the Beyonder before, so he's obviously NOT omnipotent. Also, Beyonder CAN'T be the One-Above-All, since there was a time when Beyonder didn't exist, and other things did, meaning that something else created the Marvel Multiverse, i.e. TOAA. Beyonder has also had his powers stolen by Dr. Doom on Battleworld. And that is why the Spectre wins.
"Spectre wins. It's like this: Molecule Man has overpowered the Beyonder before, so he's obviously NOT omnipotent. Also, Beyonder CAN'T be the One-Above-All, since there was a time when Beyonder didn't exist, and other things did, meaning that something else created the Marvel Multiverse, i.e. TOAA. Beyonder has also had his powers stolen by Dr. Doom on Battleworld. And that is why the Spectre wins. "
Beyonder is not TOAA, but he is capable of pretty much anything just by willing it. And as I said, he is powerful enough to make the Living Tribunal look weak, the latter being equal to the Spectre.
If Molecule man has indeed overpowered the Beyonder, it was either severe PIS or his retconned version. Those are the only explanations for it. And for the record, it was proven that the Beyonder allowed Doom to steal his power (and that was a weaker Beyonder anyway).
"Thats a close fight Spectre is a powerful character in DC comics and Beyonder is a powerful character in the Marvel universe.They can both be omnipotent, but I think that Beyonder would win because The Presence can limit the Spectre's powers. "
It isn't a close fight at all. Pre-Retcon Beyonder decimated the entire multiverse just by getting angry. An unbound Spectre isn't even omnipotent, as shown in his fight with COIE Anti-Monitor.
"Spectre wins. It's like this: Molecule Man has overpowered the Beyonder before, so he's obviously NOT omnipotent. Also, Beyonder CAN'T be the One-Above-All, since there was a time when Beyonder didn't exist, and other things did, meaning that something else created the Marvel Multiverse, i.e. TOAA. Beyonder has also had his powers stolen by Dr. Doom on Battleworld. And that is why the Spectre wins. "
no your logic is wrong @SpidermanPrimeZ said:
"@TheBatman586 said:
"Spectre wins. It's like this: Molecule Man has overpowered the Beyonder before, so he's obviously NOT omnipotent. Also, Beyonder CAN'T be the One-Above-All, since there was a time when Beyonder didn't exist, and other things did, meaning that something else created the Marvel Multiverse, i.e. TOAA. Beyonder has also had his powers stolen by Dr. Doom on Battleworld. And that is why the Spectre wins. "
Beyonder is not TOAA, but he is capable of pretty much anything just by willing it. And as I said, he is powerful enough to make the Living Tribunal look weak, the latter being equal to the Spectre. If Molecule man has indeed overpowered the Beyonder, it was either severe PIS or his retconned version. Those are the only explanations for it. And for the record, it was proven that the Beyonder allowed Doom to steal his power (and that was a weaker Beyonder anyway). "
pre recon beyonder is about = to TOAA @fallen reptile said:
"Thats a close fight Spectre is a powerful character in DC comics and Beyonder is a powerful character in the Marvel universe.They can both be omnipotent, but I think that Beyonder would win because The Presence can limit the Spectre's powers. "
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