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#1 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio

so who wins the fight of the titans.

#2 Posted by Kentaxx (2350 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder overkill

#3 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
Kentaxx said:
"Beyonder overkill "
you really think overkill?
#4 Posted by Kentaxx (2350 posts) - - Show Bio

Massive overkill

#5 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre retcon beyonder is omnipotent, so can easily take care of the Spectre,

#6 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
Kentaxx said:
"Massive overkill "
well spectre is almost at the top in DC and has the presence backing him, whats beyonder got.
#7 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
AtPhantom said:
"Pre retcon beyonder is omnipotent, so can easily take care of the Spectre,"
omipotent does not make a auto win.
#8 Posted by Kentaxx (2350 posts) - - Show Bio

Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA

#9 Posted by Kentaxx (2350 posts) - - Show Bio

Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA

#10 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio
DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"AtPhantom said:
"Pre retcon beyonder is omnipotent, so can easily take care of the Spectre,"
omipotent does not make a auto win."
Uhhh, yes it does.
#11 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
Kentaxx said:
"Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA "
and it can be said so is spectre. the spectre with the presence backing him could give him a run for is money.
#12 Edited by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio
DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"Kentaxx said:
"Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA "
and it can be said so is spectre. the spectre with the presence backing him could give him a run for is money."
Wrong, Beyonder before his retcon WAS THE ONE ABOVE ALL. There fore he equates in power to the Presence, man of mircales, TOOA and other creators. They are truly omnipotent, and cannot be defeated.
#13 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
AtPhantom said:
"DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"AtPhantom said:
"Pre retcon beyonder is omnipotent, so can easily take care of the Spectre,"
omipotent does not make a auto win."
Uhhh, yes it does."
lord marvel is said to be omnipotent and he can get smacked up by others.
#14 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio

Rad my other post
AtPhantom said:

"DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"Kentaxx said:
"Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA "
and it can be said so is spectre. the spectre with the presence backing him could give him a run for is money."
Wrong, Beyonder before his retcon WAS THE ONE ABOVE ALL. There fore he equates in power to the Presence, man of mircales, TOOA and other creators. They are truly omnipotent, and cannot be defeated."


#15 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
AtPhantom said:
"DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"Kentaxx said:
"Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA "
and it can be said so is spectre. the spectre with the presence backing him could give him a run for is money."
Wrong, Beyonder before his retcon WAS THE ONE ABOVE ALL. There fore he equates in power to the Presence, man of mircales, TOOA and other creators. They are omnipotent, and cannot be defeated."
well i agree that the beyonder would win you can't say that he would not be challenged by him.
#16 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio
DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"AtPhantom said:
"DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"Kentaxx said:
"Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA "
and it can be said so is spectre. the spectre with the presence backing him could give him a run for is money."
Wrong, Beyonder before his retcon WAS THE ONE ABOVE ALL. There fore he equates in power to the Presence, man of mircales, TOOA and other creators. They are omnipotent, and cannot be defeated."
well i agree that the beyonder would win you can't say that he would not be challenged by him."
He won't, because the omnipotent creator is still leagues above the next most powerful being.
#17 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
AtPhantom said:
"DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"AtPhantom said:
"DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"Kentaxx said:
"Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA "
and it can be said so is spectre. the spectre with the presence backing him could give him a run for is money."
Wrong, Beyonder before his retcon WAS THE ONE ABOVE ALL. There fore he equates in power to the Presence, man of mircales, TOOA and other creators. They are omnipotent, and cannot be defeated."
well i agree that the beyonder would win you can't say that he would not be challenged by him."
He won't, because the omnipotent creator is still leagues above the next most powerful being."
beyonder was never TOAA he was a creation so this means he is weaker then TOAA and thus can be challenged.
#18 Posted by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio

There is no such thing as pre-ret...
Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps.

#19 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
The Man of Yesteryear said:
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
haha nice one, but i don't think ''stomp'' is the right word here more like ''win''
#20 Posted by Kentaxx (2350 posts) - - Show Bio
The Man of Yesteryear said:
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
If their was no such thing as Pre Ret then all DC characters would be at Pre Crisis levels since COIE was just a giant retcon
#21 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
If their was no such thing as Pre Ret then all DC characters would be at Pre Crisis levels since COIE was just a giant retcon"
good point.
#22 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
If their was no such thing as Pre Ret then all DC characters would be at Pre Crisis levels since COIE was just a giant retcon"
good point.
#23 Posted by AtPhantom (14521 posts) - - Show Bio
DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"AtPhantom said:
"DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"AtPhantom said:
"DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"Kentaxx said:
"Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA "
and it can be said so is spectre. the spectre with the presence backing him could give him a run for is money."
Wrong, Beyonder before his retcon WAS THE ONE ABOVE ALL. There fore he equates in power to the Presence, man of mircales, TOOA and other creators. They are omnipotent, and cannot be defeated."
well i agree that the beyonder would win you can't say that he would not be challenged by him."
He won't, because the omnipotent creator is still leagues above the next most powerful being."
beyonder was never TOAA he was a creation so this means he is weaker then TOAA and thus can be challenged."
The Man of Yesteryear said:
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
Well now we're talking semantics, I don't know much about Beyonder and what he was, but I do know that he was originally created to be the omnipotent being, but was later cut down to size.

We use the same divide for classic and modern Doctor strange and Pre and post crisis Darkseid, even though they are by all accounts the same being.
#24 Posted by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio
Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
If their was no such thing as Pre Ret then all DC characters would be at Pre Crisis levels since COIE was just a giant retcon"
Do you even understand how he was retconned? It turned out that all his super-feats were his imagination. Thus, never happened.
#25 Posted by Kentaxx (2350 posts) - - Show Bio
The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
If their was no such thing as Pre Ret then all DC characters would be at Pre Crisis levels since COIE was just a giant retcon"
Do you even understand how he was retconned? It turned out that all his super-feats were his imagination. Thus, never happened."
Reall now, I gotta go get a tradeback of COIE
#26 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
If their was no such thing as Pre Ret then all DC characters would be at Pre Crisis levels since COIE was just a giant retcon"
Do you even understand how he was retconned? It turned out that all his super-feats were his imagination. Thus, never happened."
they may have never happened in retro spect but the are  still feats in the comic so it can still be used.
#27 Posted by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio
Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
If their was no such thing as Pre Ret then all DC characters would be at Pre Crisis levels since COIE was just a giant retcon"
Do you even understand how he was retconned? It turned out that all his super-feats were his imagination. Thus, never happened."
Reall now, I gotta go get a tradeback of COIE "
I meant that's how the Beyonder was retconned.
#28 Posted by Kentaxx (2350 posts) - - Show Bio
The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
If their was no such thing as Pre Ret then all DC characters would be at Pre Crisis levels since COIE was just a giant retcon"
Do you even understand how he was retconned? It turned out that all his super-feats were his imagination. Thus, never happened."
Reall now, I gotta go get a tradeback of COIE "
I meant that's how the Beyonder was retconned."
I know, you didnt get the joke did you ?
#29 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
If their was no such thing as Pre Ret then all DC characters would be at Pre Crisis levels since COIE was just a giant retcon"
Do you even understand how he was retconned? It turned out that all his super-feats were his imagination. Thus, never happened."
Reall now, I gotta go get a tradeback of COIE "
I meant that's how the Beyonder was retconned."
I know, you didnt get the joke did you ?"
lol yes good one.
#30 Posted by Kentaxx (2350 posts) - - Show Bio
DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
If their was no such thing as Pre Ret then all DC characters would be at Pre Crisis levels since COIE was just a giant retcon"
Do you even understand how he was retconned? It turned out that all his super-feats were his imagination. Thus, never happened."
Reall now, I gotta go get a tradeback of COIE "
I meant that's how the Beyonder was retconned."
I know, you didnt get the joke did you ?"
lol yes good one."
you didnt get it either did you....i was talking about Beyonders ret con
#31 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
Kentaxx said:
"DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
If their was no such thing as Pre Ret then all DC characters would be at Pre Crisis levels since COIE was just a giant retcon"
Do you even understand how he was retconned? It turned out that all his super-feats were his imagination. Thus, never happened."
Reall now, I gotta go get a tradeback of COIE "
I meant that's how the Beyonder was retconned."
I know, you didnt get the joke did you ?"
lol yes good one."
you didnt get it either did you....i was talking about Beyonders ret con "
sarcasm sucks on the internet, no i did not get it sorry.
#32 Posted by Kentaxx (2350 posts) - - Show Bio
DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"Kentaxx said:
"DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
If their was no such thing as Pre Ret then all DC characters would be at Pre Crisis levels since COIE was just a giant retcon"
Do you even understand how he was retconned? It turned out that all his super-feats were his imagination. Thus, never happened."
Reall now, I gotta go get a tradeback of COIE "
I meant that's how the Beyonder was retconned."
I know, you didnt get the joke did you ?"
lol yes good one."
you didnt get it either did you....i was talking about Beyonders ret con "
sarcasm sucks on the internet, no i did not get it sorry."
its k it wasnt that good anyway lol
#33 Posted by King Saturn (224286 posts) - - Show Bio
Beyonder wins of course
#34 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio
The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
If their was no such thing as Pre Ret then all DC characters would be at Pre Crisis levels since COIE was just a giant retcon"
Do you even understand how he was retconned? It turned out that all his super-feats were his imagination. Thus, never happened."
Except the most recent retcon of the Beyonder says he is nigh-omnipotent.

FYI:

Original Beyonder (From Secret Wars and Secret Wars II) = TOAA
1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . . .even though the aftermath of it still did for the mainstream universe.
2nd Retcon - The BEyonder is a Mutant Inhuman who is nigh-omnipotent . . .story all screwed up.

Each is signifigantly different and none of the retcons properly expalines the previous events . . . so the retcons were all very bad PIS.
#35 Posted by Fantasma Ghost (1452 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder for the win.

#36 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
Tevnoba said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Kentaxx said:
"The Man of Yesteryear said:
"There is no such thing as pre-ret...Ah screw it, Beyonder stomps."
If their was no such thing as Pre Ret then all DC characters would be at Pre Crisis levels since COIE was just a giant retcon"
Do you even understand how he was retconned? It turned out that all his super-feats were his imagination. Thus, never happened."
Except the most recent retcon of the Beyonder says he is nigh-omnipotent.FYI:Original Beyonder (From Secret Wars and Secret Wars II) = TOAA1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . . .even though the aftermath of it still did for the mainstream universe.2nd Retcon - The BEyonder is a Mutant Inhuman who is nigh-omnipotent . . .story all screwed up.Each is signifigantly different and none of the retcons properly expalines the previous events . . . so the retcons were all very bad PIS."
so is there ANYONE out there who can take down the beyonder.
#37 Posted by claws (5060 posts) - - Show Bio

beyonder he even beated the living tribunal i think

#38 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
claws said:
"beyonder he even beated the living tribunal i think"
could have since precon beyonder is on par with TOAA.
#39 Posted by claws (5060 posts) - - Show Bio
DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"claws said:
"beyonder he even beated the living tribunal i think"
could have since precon beyonder is on par with TOAA."
yup ..he could probaly be the most powerful being in marvel its either him or TOAA
#40 Posted by fallen reptile (225 posts) - - Show Bio

Thats a close fight Spectre is a powerful character in DC comics and Beyonder is a powerful character in the Marvel universe.They can both be omnipotent, but I think that Beyonder would win because The Presence can limit the Spectre's powers.
#41 Posted by Anti-Monitor (82 posts) - - Show Bio
I'll beat the both . The Spectre has already felt my power . It is the Beyonder's turn now . 
*evil laugh after crushing some planets by my fist *
#42 Posted by OhTru (1583 posts) - - Show Bio
@TMYM said:
" Beyonder overkill "
@Kentaxx said:
" Massive overkill "
#43 Posted by SpidermanPrimeZ (233 posts) - - Show Bio
@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"Kentaxx said:
"Massive overkill "
well spectre is almost at the top in DC and has the presence backing him, whats beyonder got."

Spectre= DC Version of Living Tribunal 
 
Pre-Retcon Beyonder>>>>Living Tribunal 
 
Therefore Beyonder wins. Nothing short of the supreme entity in the universe (TOAA or the Presence itself) can defeat the beyonder.
#44 Posted by TheBatman586 (6316 posts) - - Show Bio

Spectre wins.  
It's like this: Molecule Man has overpowered the Beyonder before, so he's obviously NOT omnipotent. 
Also, Beyonder CAN'T be the One-Above-All, since there was a time when Beyonder didn't exist, and other things did, meaning that something else created the Marvel Multiverse, i.e. TOAA. 
Beyonder has also had his powers stolen by Dr. Doom on Battleworld. 
 And that is why the Spectre wins.

#45 Posted by SpidermanPrimeZ (233 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheBatman586 said:
"Spectre wins.  It's like this: Molecule Man has overpowered the Beyonder before, so he's obviously NOT omnipotent. Also, Beyonder CAN'T be the One-Above-All, since there was a time when Beyonder didn't exist, and other things did, meaning that something else created the Marvel Multiverse, i.e. TOAA. Beyonder has also had his powers stolen by Dr. Doom on Battleworld.  And that is why the Spectre wins. "

Beyonder is not TOAA, but he is capable of pretty much anything just by willing it. And as I said, he is powerful enough to make the Living Tribunal look weak, the latter being equal to the Spectre. 
 
If Molecule man has indeed overpowered the Beyonder, it was either severe PIS or his retconned version. Those are the only explanations for it. 
And for the record, it was proven that the Beyonder allowed Doom to steal his power (and that was a weaker Beyonder anyway).
#46 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7906 posts) - - Show Bio
@fallen reptile said:
"Thats a close fight Spectre is a powerful character in DC comics and Beyonder is a powerful character in the Marvel universe.They can both be omnipotent, but I think that Beyonder would win because The Presence can limit the Spectre's powers. "

It isn't a close fight at all. Pre-Retcon Beyonder decimated the entire multiverse just by getting angry. An unbound Spectre isn't even omnipotent, as shown in his fight with COIE Anti-Monitor.
#47 Posted by FLCL1 (9580 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheBatman586 said:
"Spectre wins.  It's like this: Molecule Man has overpowered the Beyonder before, so he's obviously NOT omnipotent. Also, Beyonder CAN'T be the One-Above-All, since there was a time when Beyonder didn't exist, and other things did, meaning that something else created the Marvel Multiverse, i.e. TOAA. Beyonder has also had his powers stolen by Dr. Doom on Battleworld.  And that is why the Spectre wins. "
no your logic is wrong
@SpidermanPrimeZ said:
"@TheBatman586 said:
"Spectre wins.  It's like this: Molecule Man has overpowered the Beyonder before, so he's obviously NOT omnipotent. Also, Beyonder CAN'T be the One-Above-All, since there was a time when Beyonder didn't exist, and other things did, meaning that something else created the Marvel Multiverse, i.e. TOAA. Beyonder has also had his powers stolen by Dr. Doom on Battleworld.  And that is why the Spectre wins. "
Beyonder is not TOAA, but he is capable of pretty much anything just by willing it. And as I said, he is powerful enough to make the Living Tribunal look weak, the latter being equal to the Spectre.  If Molecule man has indeed overpowered the Beyonder, it was either severe PIS or his retconned version. Those are the only explanations for it. And for the record, it was proven that the Beyonder allowed Doom to steal his power (and that was a weaker Beyonder anyway). "
pre recon beyonder is about = to TOAA
@fallen reptile said:
"Thats a close fight Spectre is a powerful character in DC comics and Beyonder is a powerful character in the Marvel universe.They can both be omnipotent, but I think that Beyonder would win because The Presence can limit the Spectre's powers. "

not close at all  
 
#48 Posted by Zaterra (1140 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably Beyonder

#49 Posted by SilverGalford (3265 posts) - - Show Bio

beyonder

#50 Posted by JediXMan (30709 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder wins. But full-power Spectre would hold his own for a little while.

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