Who wins
Spectre vs. Infinity Gauntlet Thanos
hasnt this been done and its been stated spectre >> IG thanos with the spectre being just below living tribunal at his most powerful
This is very inaccurate.
Spectre stomps.
hasnt this been done and its been stated spectre >> IG thanos Not in a comic. with the spectre being just below living tribunal at his most powerful Based on?
Spectre stomps.
Spectre stomps.
Based on?
@mr-luxcipher: ya I agree with you're testimony about ig winning but most of his jobbing actaully has context behind it and can't be considered jobbing in the traditional senses and more due plot conveniences. A full power spectre Was implied to be strong enough to solo the crisis purge the antilife equation from the universe bitch slap parallax grow to an infinite size whip out a 100 universe busting balst nigh omnipresent if you look at all his high ends it actually outweighs the low ends if you post the batkick scan il smash my screen on the wall.
@dawnone: Often, yeah.
But often times there isn't.
I don't remember any for him being trapped in a giant rock by LKZ(who's power is stated and proven to be equal to Thunderbolt, who had to step up to the plate and stalemated him while The Spectre was being rescued by Alan Scott and Zauriel).
The power displayed was only universal.
Literally getting turned into a swinging monkey in a cage, by Emperor Joker.
Who, again, only displayed universal power.
And I'm not sure, but I don't think there was any in his encounter against the King Of Tears, where he was rendered an impotent skeleton for a deal of time.
And that's just off the top of my head.
@mr-luxcipher: that emperor joker scan was due to him having 99 percent of mxy power mxy which exceeds universal espacailly if we factor in the fact that wtf can be considered cannon now it was only made as such recently so not sure if it would count. Also wasn't the Liz feat due to some certain condition such as him not being able to judge or harm anyone due to them not fitting his criteria of wrath seeing as how spectre was easily able to depower thunderbolt etc Outside 85 will know more about this cause i haven't read this issue.
@mr-luxcipher: that emperor joker scan was due to him having 99 percent of mxy power mxy which exceeds universal espacailly if we factor in the fact that wtf can be considered cannon now it was only made as such recently so not sure if it would count. Also wasn't the Liz feat due to some certain condition such as him not being able to judge or harm anyone due to them not fitting his criteria of wrath seeing as how spectre was easily able to depower thunderbolt easily etc Outside 85 will know more about this cause i haven't read this issue.
WF is still non-canon.
@dawnone: No, there wasn't any particular stipulation restricting him in when it happened against LKZ in JLA #28 - Crisis Times Five! Part One.
In fact Zauriel even noted in speculative horror at "what kind of power could imprison god's vengeance"?(or something of that basic nature).
But it IS worth noting that the djinns are often limited by the efficiency of their users, and can even be defeated via their exploitation: It's why YZ kept prompting Jakeem Thunder to issue him commands to properly fight LKZ, and why Mordru was able to effortlessly nullify the threat it posed(by slicing Jakeem's throat, so he couldn't speak).
@mr-luxcipher: so spectre lost to somoene that could've have easily being swatted by modru?damn he's a jobber its best to keep that scan to you're self espacailly with all the spectre lowballers lurking and waiting to pounce anyhow thanos indeed takes it for being above all abstarcts and having full mastery over all forms of matter in the multiverse and being nigh omniscient.
@mysticmedivh: not in a comic but in almost all the other spectre vs thanos IG threads from before its always ended with some users pointing out things like the IG isnt beyond universal whereas spec is multiversal + in his most powerful COIE form
@zangetsusama01: The IG handily defeated the entire entourage of cosmic entities and abstracts up until the Living Tribunal, some of whom who have multiversal feats of their own, and/or are above other cosmic entities and abstracts who also have multiversal feats. I don't see Spectre being capable of defeating Marvel's line-up of cosmics and abstracts handily, or all at once for that matter. Could you prove he he was multiversal, let alone multiversal+. Also, I'm not sure why we're jumping from one version of Spectre to another in this thread. OP didn't specify (and he should so we're clear). Otherwise we're debating with New 52 Spectre here.
@dawnone: Hahaha, not quite that simple.
Again; Mordru specifically attacked the djinn's master. Didn't overpower the djinn itself(since it won't fight without being issued the command as opposed to LKZ, presumably because LKZ is by nature malevolent and violent anyway).
LKZ defeated Spectre BEFORE being set free to run amok in the 3rd dimension by Triumph/even HAVING a master.
So basically, Spectre couldn't have dealt with it the same way as Mordru did, even if it'd thought to do so. Even though it happened off panel, Spectre fought LKZ, and got his ass slapped in stone for all his troubles.
And as you can see in the scan above, Ganthet notes that them clashing, meaning obviously a joint display of power between the two genies would threaten the universal grid.
Again it only took 1 to result in the scan below.
Spectre
How come?
I think thanos with ig , no one really can beat him with the ig besides crazy dudes like TOAA and LT
@mysticmedivh: if its new 52 spectre you got me beat since i kinda don't like spectre anymore since he has become a constant jobber in every arc he is written in by writers that just don't want him to interfere.
COIE spectre was multiversal+ in the sense that he overcame the COIE AM who had the power of the entire multiverse practically coursing through him therefore he himself was the culmination of the absorption of all those universes + the fact he was draining power from earths mightiest heroes at the same time so his amps were massive.
the spectre is stated to by the TOAA of DC the presence to have had the power to stop the crisis on infinite earths i cant find the scan at this time but i will get it for you when i get home to my computer just remind me to in 2 days since im not home atm. however it is when the spectre is trapped in a state of death and undeath and has to be nerfed by alot to be allowed back into creation with the presence saying that his current state is both too great a punishment and a just one since his was a power that could have halted the COIE and he failed however his task was so great that is could have ended in nothing but failure.
i do have scans however of the AM and spec fight saved on my dropbox so i can focus my arguement on how the spectre was able to overpower the antimonitor and force him to yell in desperation for krona to peer back. while the spectre is indeed feeding off the energy of the magicians note that the extra power doesn't come from them but rather comes from himself as the power bursts through him and overtakes the AM's own power.
the spectre being ko'd after his fight with the AM was a result of it overcoming the host body with the amount of energy displayed. this was shown to not be a problem when handling the multiversal threat that was zero hour parallax who managed to blast spectre out of the panel but did no lasting damage as he was standing and ready to recreate everything a mere second later.
spectre at the height of his power had to be greatly diminished to be brought back as shown in those scans he is resurrected (once again remind me to get them for you) but yes i firmly believe and side with all the other debaters one the vine from those previous IG thanos vs spectre battles that strongest spectre can take out IG.
New 52 spectre however will be a greatly dimished version of himself however he still has access to abilities like the IG's as during DoV he managed to go on a rampage and kill every single lord of order and chaos,it is also unlikely his power level in new 52 has gone below him post revival nerf since he can still draw power from anything IE : shazams magical artifacts and shazam himself,the entire universe if need be to kill nabu) spectre during DoV is still above universal and this is the weakest spectre to date outside of the jobber spectre losing to emperor joker since DoV spectre stomped a 5d djinn is pretty much a 5d imp but more genie like.
COIE spec is above the IG but below the Living tribunal since he has no omniverse feats like LT
DoV spectre is atleast = to the IG since he can draw power from the same source as it and has shown power that is of equal standing with it in this form by stomping djinns,lords of order and chaos, and nabu himself the most powerful of them all easily,so he can atleast equal IG in power so thanos might win vs this weaker spectre if we are barring jobber feats like blackest night and that i have no soul BS
if we use current versions only then spectre should easily win since the IG has been retconned to being only universal in power which is = to or below spectre however spectre can drain power from the IG itself since it is powered by the universe itself.
i am so sorry for the bad punctuation its 3.30 am so bare with me here sorry
This. ABC logic doesn't make The Spectre= LT.
Spectre is considered a little bit less than Living T. Or it little bit more less. But has Thanos with IG able to capture LT? If he hasn't, that I'm leaning towards the man that makes people "FEEL THE WRATH OF GOD!'
This. ABC logic doesn't make The Spectre= LT.
ABC logic doesn't work for Marvel and DC. Both prominent companies have hundreds of writers and just because one character displayed an extreme level of power in on story doesn't mean it will display a similar amount on another story.
Marvel is not in the least consistent in portraying the power scale of their characters. Tom Brevoort, the executive editor of Marvel said he doesn't care about power scaling.
http://brevoortformspring.tumblr.com/post/114667242403/i-dont-understand-how-the-beyonders-could-wipe?_ga=1.139443955.1714549850.1448816029
http://brevoortformspring.tumblr.com/post/123784086828/hi-tom-theres-been-a-lot-of-heated-debate-about?&_ga=1.177067621.1714549850.1448816029
According to Stan Lee, whoever wins depends on who the writer likes best:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sHfJ_NjJTM8&_ga=1.151876473.1714549850.1448816029
The reason why powerscaling works for other verses is because they only have a single author. With Marvel and DC's number of writers you cant expect the power levels of characters to be consistent.
@archangel01: IG Thanos is multiversal
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