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#1 Posted by logy5000 (5828 posts) - - Show Bio

Bloodlust is on. All are at full power. COIE Anti-Monitor. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. TR gets the sword of Superman. Who wins?

#2 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

LT held two megaverses in one hand so he can solo this battle, Mr. Mxy is the only real threat to LT but he doesn't have the feats to match LT

#3 Posted by logy5000 (5828 posts) - - Show Bio

@justleader said:

LT held two megaverses in one hand so he can solo this battle, Mr. Mxy is the only real threat to LT but he doesn't have the feats to match LT

TR and Spectre > Mxy.

#4 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@justleader said:

LT held two megaverses in one hand so he can solo this battle, Mr. Mxy is the only real threat to LT but he doesn't have the feats to match LT

TR and Spectre > Mxy.

it's debatable, but i think mxy wins against those two he has better feats. But anyway none of them have megaversal feats so...........

#5 Posted by logy5000 (5828 posts) - - Show Bio

@justleader said:

@logy5000 said:

@justleader said:

LT held two megaverses in one hand so he can solo this battle, Mr. Mxy is the only real threat to LT but he doesn't have the feats to match LT

TR and Spectre > Mxy.

it's debatable, but i think mxy wins against those two he has better feats. But anyway none of them have megaversal feats so...........

TR can hold the multiverse in his palm.

#6 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@justleader said:

@logy5000 said:

@justleader said:

LT held two megaverses in one hand so he can solo this battle, Mr. Mxy is the only real threat to LT but he doesn't have the feats to match LT

TR and Spectre > Mxy.

it's debatable, but i think mxy wins against those two he has better feats. But anyway none of them have megaversal feats so...........

TR can hold the multiverse in his palm.

When did that happen? Can you show me the scan? Holding two megaverses is a far far better feat than holding a multiverse

#7 Posted by logy5000 (5828 posts) - - Show Bio

@justleader: He wasn't exactly holding it, but it was the size of a CD to him, so imo it's pretty safe to say he could hold it.

#8 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@justleader: He wasn't exactly holding it, but it was the size of a CD to him, so imo it's pretty safe to say he could hold it.

That's a universe not a multiverse

#9 Posted by logy5000 (5828 posts) - - Show Bio

@justleader: It's limbo, but I really have no idea what that is. Anyway TR is so big that he can't fit inside of reality. He beat the daylight out of an equivalent to COIE AM.

#10 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@justleader: It's limbo, but I really have no idea what that is. Anyway TR is so big that he can't fit inside of reality. He beat the daylight out of an equivalent to COIE AM.

You mean Mandrakk right? Mandrakk>COIE Anti moniter. And that is irrelevent in this battle, all these are multiversal beings, LT is megaversal and perhaps even more so they can't match him

#11 Posted by logy5000 (5828 posts) - - Show Bio

@justleader: Tell me, what exactly is a mega verse?

#12 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@justleader: Tell me, what exactly is a mega verse?

A megaverse is a collection of multiple (prehaps even infinite) amount of multiverses. It's like a multiverse contains multiple-infinite universes, the megaverse contains multiple-infinite multiverses.

#13 Posted by logy5000 (5828 posts) - - Show Bio

@justleader: I thought the omniverse was the biggest "verse" of them all.

#14 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@justleader: I thought the omniverse was the biggest "verse" of them all.

Yes it is, the omniverse encompasses all possible universes, multiverses, megaverses, etc.... and that's why it is impossible for a fictional character to be omniversal.

#15 Posted by logy5000 (5828 posts) - - Show Bio

@justleader: You can't encompass infinity.

#16 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@justleader: You can't encompass infinity.

Yes, it is stated that eternity embodies a boundless universe while multi eternity embodies a boundless multiverse, so yes some extremely powerful beings can. And the amalgam brothers are stated to encompass DC and Marvel Megaverses, and each universe is infinite in size, and there are infinite universes in the multiverse and there are infinite multiverses in a megaverse, so the brothers encompass infinity just fine.

#17 Posted by logy5000 (5828 posts) - - Show Bio

@justleader: How can you put a perimeter around something that stretches on forever?

#18 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

@justleader: How can you put a perimeter around something that stretches on forever?

Well, we as humans cannot comprehend infinite, supernatural beings of great power can.

#19 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

mind moving this to the battles forum?

#20 Posted by Vance Astro (91261 posts) - - Show Bio
@Strafe Prower said:

@Vance Astro mind moving this to the battles forum?

Done.
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#21 Posted by cameron83 (7419 posts) - - Show Bio

@justleader: isn't infinity just a concept/idea.

Although that doesn't mean it's unreal or anything,maybe infinity,or what it stands for is real.

But we just gave it an undefined name (infinity,since the name could be flabababal for all i care),so basically it is like a Discovery.

#22 Posted by logy5000 (5828 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro: Sorry about that. I never noticed that I put this in General Discussion.

#23 Posted by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

Living Tribunal is indeed, omniversal, that's what he (or some being, don't remember) claim because to take care of One-Above-All's creation, you have to be really transcendic to do that.

Pretty much anything below Living Tribunal is non-factor, unless you're equal or surpassing his power, which it's debatable for all the contestants here.

Moreover, anything that happens to Living Tribunal is all canon, no matters if it What-If universes, because unlike Eternity, he existed only as one and present in every universe in form of different avatars that is connected to one universal conscious.

But from what I know, Living Tribunal easily handles object who that can do virtually do anything by wielder's thought, such as erasing half of the lives from the universe (Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet). Most of the people here are more of the destructive type, they can destroy a reality, but they are not necessary have the power to created one with every details.

#24 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

If all of Mxy's feats were canon, then he could possibly solo.

Alas, not all of them are, so I think LT might win.

#25 Posted by SithLantern93 (2162 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1.

#26 Posted by Vance Astro (91261 posts) - - Show Bio
@logy5000 said:

@Vance Astro: Sorry about that. I never noticed that I put this in General Discussion.

Don't worry about it.
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#27 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@justleader said:

LT held two megaverses in one hand so he can solo this battle, Mr. Mxy is the only real threat to LT but he doesn't have the feats to match LT

When has LT done that?

#28 Posted by logy5000 (5828 posts) - - Show Bio

@AngryHulks: Nobody is omniversal except for TOAA and Presence.

#29 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@justleader said:

LT held two megaverses in one hand so he can solo this battle, Mr. Mxy is the only real threat to LT but he doesn't have the feats to match LT

When has LT done that?

He held the 2 amalgam brothers each of whom was the embodiment of a megaverse, one was the embodiment of the Marvel Megaverse the other was the embodiment of the DC megaverse and LT held them in one hand but the sad news is that they kicked his ass afterwards. LT is also stated to exists in all multiverses simultaneously, so that is a megaversal feat, but the holding the brothers is more impressive. Non of the team characters have megaversal feats so LT wins easily.

#30 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@justleader said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@justleader said:

LT held two megaverses in one hand so he can solo this battle, Mr. Mxy is the only real threat to LT but he doesn't have the feats to match LT

When has LT done that?

He held the 2 amalgam brothers each of whom was the embodiment of a megaverse, one was the embodiment of the Marvel Megaverse the other was the embodiment of the DC megaverse and LT held them in one hand but the sad news is that they kicked his ass afterwards. LT is also stated to exists in all multiverses simultaneously, so that is a megaversal feat, but the holding the brothers is more impressive. Non of the team characters have megaversal feats so LT wins easily.

Alright, do you happen to have scans?

#31 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant:

See those two? the blue represents the marvel megaverse, while the red represents the DC megaverse (i think)

LT also helped fashion the brothers who are embodiments of megaverses

another scan shows LT's authority over the two brothers:

another scan:

It tells us that LT exists in all multiverses simultaneously, this is also a megaversal feat.

With these feats LT should easily win this battle.

#32 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@justleader: Interesting, thanks for the scans!!

#33 Posted by morefun22 (77 posts) - - Show Bio

Living Tribunal gets sh**stomped .

#34 Posted by Hulkman123 (1706 posts) - - Show Bio

This guy wins.

#35 Edited by darkseid1006 (2516 posts) - - Show Bio

when you say full power does that mean Spectre is not restricted by Logoz as it has been stated in Hal Jordans series that when Spectre comes up short its because what he is doing goes against the will of Logoz (the word aka the presence) as Spectre should be able to beat beings like Lucifer and Michael if it weren't for this as Michael only beat Spectre by using the word (Logoz) and has also came and begged for Spectre's help before?

#36 Posted by JwwProd (9648 posts) - - Show Bio

Living Tribunal still wins.

#37 Posted by RetconCrisis (3928 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2. Joker with Mxy's power destroyed the universe really easily and turned the Spectre into his minion. Mxy can do that here as well, and LT can deal with the other two easily too.

#38 Posted by Scoop316 (165 posts) - - Show Bio

Unlike the other team vs. LT battle, this team has no fodder. I'd give it to the team.

#39 Edited by GhostRider2 (3314 posts) - - Show Bio

LT

#40 Posted by clownprinceofcrime1995 (1448 posts) - - Show Bio

Mxy jumps to earth, erases Marvel from existence. Done.

PS all mxy feats are canon since it's the same mxy in ALL Storylines, the character just jumps realities.

#41 Posted by UserNameUnderConstruction (651 posts) - - Show Bio

Mxy jumps to earth, erases Marvel from existence. Done.

PS all mxy feats are canon since it's the same mxy in ALL Storylines, the character just jumps realities.

jumps realities and will be in fiction only

#42 Posted by darkseid1006 (2516 posts) - - Show Bio

Team win this
These beings are mulitversal/omniversal threats alone add all 4 of them and i just don't see Living Tribunal holding up.
I mean Plot Robot is a huge threat alone.
Also i assume you don't mean WF Mxy because if you do he solo's

#43 Posted by MasterKungFu (1373 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 because of an extra member.

#44 Posted by SithLantern93 (2162 posts) - - Show Bio

Team stomps. Mxy can solo. So can Spectre. Anti Monitor and Thought Robot go down after a difficult fight imo.

#45 Edited by darkseid1006 (2516 posts) - - Show Bio

@sithlantern93: I am of the same opinion as you on this but I disagree with you on some things.

Mxy can solo yes but only with WF feats which are usually not allowed.

Spectre can't solo yeas he is a multiversal entity who has proven to be above other multiversal beings like COIE Anti-Monitor and Zero Hour Parralax but he is not on LT level.

Anti-Monitor similarly is multiversal but is not on par with Spectre or LT in fact he is the weak link of the battle.

Thought Robot (Plotbot) is the strongest on team (bar WF Mxy but I'm assuming he is not allowed as he is above The One Above All and Presence I mean he hopped out the comic and made the writers change stuff so yeah) as he has fought Mandrak (a being who can actually erase parts of a characters history from comics).

None of them can do it alone but put them together they can take him.

#46 Edited by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

Team easily, Spectre and LT are pretty much equal.

Adding AM and TR and Mxy stomps the comp, to it gives them the win.

#47 Posted by kidman560 (7577 posts) - - Show Bio

Team easily, Spectre and LT are pretty much equal. Adding AM and TR to it gives them the win.

every single word in this statement is wrong

#48 Edited by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@kidman560 said:

@vaeternus said:

Team easily, Spectre and LT are pretty much equal. Adding AM and TR to it gives them the win.

every single word in this statement is wrong

No, it is correct. I've posted a scan proving such and seriously? Spectre? Mxy, TR and AM would murk LT. Period. LT would have trouble vs. Mxy and Spectre alone, let alone all of them.

#49 Posted by kidman560 (7577 posts) - - Show Bio

@kidman560 said:

@vaeternus said:

Team easily, Spectre and LT are pretty much equal. Adding AM and TR to it gives them the win.

every single word in this statement is wrong

No, it is correct. I've posted a scan proving such and seriously? Spectre? Mxy, TR and AM would murk LT. Period. LT would have trouble vs. Mxy and Spectre alone, let alone all of them.

not even a little bit. the Spectre gets beaten by people like Fate... the LT destroys people like Strange and beyond... the LT no selled the Infinity gauntlet. The Spectre was beaten by Black Adam. The LT beat Adam Warlock with the IG... yeah clearly they care comparable.

#50 Edited by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@kidman560 said:

@vaeternus said:

@kidman560 said:

@vaeternus said:

Team easily, Spectre and LT are pretty much equal. Adding AM and TR to it gives them the win.

every single word in this statement is wrong

No, it is correct. I've posted a scan proving such and seriously? Spectre? Mxy, TR and AM would murk LT. Period. LT would have trouble vs. Mxy and Spectre alone, let alone all of them.

not even a little bit. the Spectre gets beaten by people like Fate... the LT destroys people like Strange and beyond... the LT no selled the Infinity gauntlet. The Spectre was beaten by Black Adam. The LT beat Adam Warlock with the IG... yeah clearly they care comparable.

I'm pretty sure Thanos beat LT and everyone else with HOTU(LOT who's supposed to be omnipotent) so yes that's accurate.

Guess you ignored the scan I posted huh? Incorrect. Dr. Fate never beat Spectre, he fought him and LOST to Spectre don't know where you're getting your info from. Spectre killed Nabu!

So yeah my initial statement remains, team murks LT here easily. Mxy for one isn't bound by outside Universe rules, TR adapts to literally ANY cosmic threat. Spectre is equal to LT and if anything has been more powerful as he was one with God at one point...his power varies due to the Presence's choice. AM is self explanatory. The team beats down LT here. No denying it.

@sithlantern93 dude feel free to post those scans man figured you'd wnat to check this topic out ;)