@wut: I already know that but the Space Marine everyone is putting against a hunter in ship grade armor with a plasma canon that can take out a tank is Captain Titus who is a captain in the Ultramarines Chapter and commander of the Ultramarines 2nd Company. He has fought for the Imperium for a little more than 150 years. So is a young Space Marine, he has both physical & psychological wounds from his time in the field. The Ultramarines are known to follow the codex to the letter. He may do something's that aren't codex approved but there is a limit to how far over the line he is willing to go.. Now if the Space Marine in question were from another chapter that doesn't follow the codex to the letter they might stand a better chance. But they would still have to deal with a species that can detect them coming from any direction at a fairly long range. So its not going to be easy to take down hunters. Luckily despite the hunters capabilities they are the rare form of the species, unfortunately the more common colony forms are much larger than hunters.
@john_7547: Covenant Ship Grade Armor* Not 40k ship grade armor, Power Weaponry is massively impressive as, what they do, is separate a targets molecules at a molecular level, which means, the Hunter's armor isn't going to stop the Axe from going through it.
It has a plasma cannon that is never going to hit Titus unless it is extremely, extremely lucky and manages to get Titus when he jumps (which is only if he doesn't have an Iron Halo).
What you have here is a single Hunter going up against Master Chief on Steroids with vastly superior weaponry then normal. We both know what happens should a Hunter run into a Super Master Chief.
@wut: Covenant Ship grade armor takes hits from super heated plasma & mac rounds. The only reason Master Chief beats hunters is he has learned how to beat them. The Space Marines have never gone up against something that is literally invulnerable to frontal assault .. Space Marines in general prefer frontal assault tactics and close quarters fighting ie landing in the middle of the enemy and fighting their way out. If Captain Titus or any Space Marine tries their standard tactics he will be killed almost immediately by the Hunter. btw Shooting a hunter in his frontal armor won't do anything but make it laugh at you before it fires a ball of super heated plasma at you. The Space Marines tactics put them at a disadvantage against Hunters. Master Chief uses heavy weapons such as the 102mm M41SSR anti tank missile launcher & stealth tactics he doesn't go head on against a hunter. The only known Spartan to go head on against Hunters and kill one got killed by the other Hunter .. btw to take away the Hunters bond brother ie the other hunter and still remain within canon you have to make the hunter twice the size of the ones in the game at minimum.
which means the average Space Marine is going up against some thing that in canon can range from the average bond brothers of 13ft tall to 50ft in hunter form... that's not counting the other forms they are capable of. A single hunter without ever splitting into bond brothers can reach 50ft but I guess I can play nice and give the Space Marine a real chance by saying a hunter twice the size of a standard hunter or 26ft tall heavily armored hunter that makes terminator armor look weak when attacked from the front which Space Marines tend to do. oh and that plasma cannon does get larger with the hunters increased size we wouldn't want it to look like a hunter carrying a plasma pistol now would we. So realistically since this match is a cross over things have to equate to the other for either side to have a fair chance. sure a Space Marines armor normally is like tissue paper compared to the MJOLNIR of the Spartans as there armor allows them to perform things like exo-atmospheric insertion without a drop pod. but if we compare the Mk VII Aquila armor to the MJOLNIR Mk IV it could be compare able.. add the Iron halo and we get the Mk V MJOLNIR which has a 50/50 chance of surviving atmospheric reentry without injury of the wearer. ie the suit can survive the same jump as Noble 6 and MC have survived but the occupant has a 50/50 chance of walking away .. note Noble 6 on reach was wearing the Mk V & was injured by a fall from space. Another note Will-043 the only known Spartan to kill a hunter in hand to hand combat was shot in the back at point blank range by the other hunter, that was against two average size hunters not a 26ft double sized hunter as would have to be the case in this match since the guy who started this part of the match up apparently has no clue about halo canon as normal hunters work in pairs. only hunters that have not split into bond brothers are ever seen alone and are extremely rare or nearly non existent in halo canon. those 50ft hunters in the halo legions episode The Dual are an example of single colony form's ie each hunter in that episode is probably a single colony that hasn't split into bond brothers as doing so does make the Hunters half the size of the single colony form. So yeah with hero mode turned off and the typical Space Marines tactics the good Captain Titus is probably going to die in this one as he has no ideal what the hell this thing he is going up against is or what its weaknesses are if any from the view of a Space Marine, the hunters armor would be indestructible no matter how many 75cal bolter bolts he shoots at it they have no affect in frontal combat and to make matters worse this thing can since its opponents location in any direction this is near impossible to sneak up on especially for a 7.6ft tall bright blue armored target unless they are in the ocean lol. Blue is a terrible color for a infantry unit to wear , it's like holding up a sign that saids here I am melt me down with super heated plasma now. At least Spartans wear green or black normally some times dark blue but nothing as bright as Ultramarines standard color.
Btw Captain Titus has never single handedly brought down an entire alien alliance using his tactics. Master Chief did. So no Captain Titus is not super Master Chief.. he isn't even in the same league in ether equipment or tactics used canonically speaking. As Spartans have more than just their armor available as equipment, Spartans have stuff like active camo , drones both spy & attack types, hard light shield projectors, holograms, etc. Space Marines don't have or use those types of technologies and tactics wise Space Marines are designed & trained as shock troops for planetary invasion. Spartans are designed & trained as elite special forces , assassins, spies, hackers, etc. They are actually intended to go behind enemy lines and take out the enemies leadership directly , gather intelligence, hack enemy systems , etc. not fight through waves of Orks to get there. Spartans are often dropped in directly on the target or sneak in to the target area, kill or capture the target than sneak back out undetected leaving no evidence aside for the lack of leadership and maybe a few dead personal body guards but nothing to say who or what did it. That is a totally different type of mission and organization than Space Marines are designed as and trained for. So .Basically seal team 6, Green Beret's & Delta Force in one on steroids with a blank check is close to what Spartans are & the only reason Spartans even fought on the so called frontlines was that they where the only truly effective force against the Covenant and most of the Spartan 2's & 3's died as a result of being sent into frontline combat. MC and his team survived because their mission was changed to the type they where trained to do. And they succeeded at it. well MC did as the rest of his team other then Linda-058 the teams sniper was with him throughout most of halo 1 but spent some time recovering from her near death injuries & rejoined him later. The rest went MIA for a while. That's how MC became the hero, he did his job as special forces & only once went up against a Hunter. MC used a local military school cadet who volunteered to be a distraction while MC ran up behind the hunter & planted a fragmentation grenade inside the hunters worm colony to kill it. That's the trick getting behind it while it is distracted by someone else. unfortanetly this match up is a 1v1 So the Captain Titus has nothing to distract the hunter with and will be detected from a far distance away before he even fires his weapon. btw with hero mode off he will probably die like anything else that tries to fight a hunter in frontal combat. Which is a Space Marines specialty but hunters armor makes them the undisputed king of frontal or head on direct combat, as nothing short of a tank is going to anything more than annoy a hunter & hunters can deflect tank round off their shield & armor easily in normal size form a 26ft tall hunter is likely twice what a standard hunters armor is and would weigh in at 21,000lbs or more just so you know how big a hunter would have to be without a bond brother.
@wut: PS .. after 30 plus years of war the Hunters are pretty good with that plasma canon and hero mode is turned off so Captain Titus has the same abilities as any other no name Space Marine Captain or Space Marine in general would have. thus if he choses the standard frontal assault against a hunter as he would normally against an Ork he will die . The reasons being 1 Hunters are much more heavily armored than any Ork would be. 2 Hunters carry plasma canons which since this is a cross over we can only assume would have the same effect on Space Marines armor as any other heavy plasma weapon would have in 40k. 3rd A hunter can since an enemy from some distance away even when they aren't looking in the same direction the enemy is coming from so there is really not a good chance that a Space Marine in bright blue armor is going to sneak up on it. 4th the Space Marines standard weapons won't do shit to a hunter in frontal assault considering that even an average hunter can deflect a tank round and/or plasma tank round off its shields like its nothing, hit that with a bolter round and Captain Titus will feel the ground shake as the Hunter laughs at him. 5th getting close enough to use a power sword is suicide as chances are with hero mode turned off the hunter will hit Captain Titus before he has a chance to use the power sword. beside that a hunters armor is capable of taking a hit from energy swords of the elites the energy sword cuts or stabs straight through both energy shield "Iron Halo" and any metal like a hot knife through butter.. the Hunters shields can take a few hits from that without the hunter even noticing it. That's some bad armor to fight in typical Space Marines frontal assault tactics. To win a Space Marine would have to adapt tactics more akin to the Spartans from halo ie stealthier , more special forces or ninja like tactics or bring in something much more powerful than their standard weapons. ie Anti tank weapons required to take down a hunter if fighting in frontal or direct combat. So two choices either use tactics that according to the codex are forbidden or bring in anti tank weapons. There is no other way to beat a hunter.
I know math is a bit frowned upon, but, based on some simple assumptions, I was going to try to give a "realistic" assesment of Covenant energy shielding vs. Imperium of Man handheld weapons. First, let us assume that the energy shields in Halo work by dissapating the energy of attacks, and that their limit is the amount of energy, of any sort, absorbed. According to the Halo Wiki, Covenant energy shielding can absorb 6-8 pistol shots before it is knocked out. Again according to the wiki, the pistol fires 12.77 mm x 40 mm ammunition, packed with a high explosive core. Estimating from the image given of a pistol round, let us assume the actual bullet is about 12.77mm x 10 mm in size, so approximating the bullet as a cylinder, because this is comicvine, the bullet fired by the Halo Magnum pistol has a volume of about 5,123 milimeters cubed.
The Space Marine Bolter works a little bit differently from the average gun. Much like the modern AT-4, the bullet is launched from the chamber with one charge, and then the interior rocket propellant takes over and launches the projectile towards the target, where it, much like the Halo bullet, explodes. I thank Galactus for this similarity, because it makes this comparison much easier. Farthermore, this rocket mechanism means that the Bolt accelerates as it travels, increasing, not decreasing in speed. In order to, again, simplify this argument, let's assume that the projectiles have the same speed when reaching the target. This assumtion is fairly realistic, and also partially deals with the question of range, as the Magnum bullet would be faster at shorter ranges, and the Bolter faster at longer ranges.
Now, when it comes to the Bolt, the Lexicanum gives us a caliber of .75, and going from images of Bolters, specifically the magazines, the Bolt appears to be at least one and a half times as long as its diameter, making it roughtly an inch long, rounding down to avoid favoritism. When the volume is calculated and converted to mm^3, this gives us a Bolt volume of 28956 mm^3.
For the sake of argument, I think it would be fair to assume that weapons tech is about the same in both universes, so we can assume that the explosive in both bullets is about the same, giving them largely the same density. Therefore, with all other factors being equal, a single Bolter round is at least 5 times as powerful as a Magnum Pistol round, and therefore capable of breaching an Elite personal energy shield in 1-2 shots, something that no Full-Auto personal weapon could do, and this is from the basic weapon of the Space Marines. Each Grey Knight has what is basically two of these mounted on his arm, so aiming and firing does not get in the way of their considerable melee skill. The incredible power of Space Marine personal weapons makes more sense when you think about the fact that Space Marine infantry have to take on opponents that are much more tough, physically, than the Covenant ever did. When it comes to large scale war, it is hard to argue against the Covenenants massive fleet, but in any situation where there is at least one SM for every 3-4 Elites, I would have to give it to the Space Marines. The Imperium is fairly practiced at a war of attrition though, so they may be able to hold out. Also, I am fairly sure that the Grey Knights at least have some form of reliable, quick teleport, which would allow an elite team (achem~Kaldor Draigo~achem) to wreak some havoc against the Phrophets and other important nerve clusters.
@john_7547: Covenant Ship grade armor takes hits from super heated plasma & mac rounds
Covenant ships relay more on their shields than they do their armor. Their armor doesn't last... well... at all once the shields go down, and if you seriously believe a Hunter has the same amount of armoring (cause, hate to break it to ya sport, but the amount of armor means just as much as the armor strength itself) as a ship, then, well, that is a tad bit hilarious.
The only reason Master Chief beats hunters is he has learned how to beat them.
Given Space Marines can process information stupidly fast (some can do so in nanoseconds), yeah, he is just fine. Master Chief did not sit there and watch a, 'How to Kill Hunters... 101,' class video.
The Space Marines have never gone up against something that is literally invulnerable to frontal assault .. Space Marines in general prefer frontal assault tactics and close quarters fighting ie landing in the middle of the enemy and fighting their way out.
Actually, no. They don't usually prefer close quarters fighting. Only assault marines prefer that, most marines prefer ranged fighting, kinda why most Space Marine doctrines make heavy use of ranged weaponry.
Space Marines also use what tactics they believe to be best for the situation, it is, more often then not, smaller elite strikes against hard targets because they are special forces, not the mainstay troop, that is what they have the IG for. Master Chief has gone straight up against a Hunter and has done just fine.
Lawls on the idea that a Space Marine has never gone straight up against something as 'invulnerable' as a hunter.
If Captain Titus or any Space Marine tries their standard tactics he will be killed almost immediately by the Hunter.
What part of: Hunters are slow. Space Marines are studiedly fast. The Hunter isn't tagging a Space Marine in single combat outside of plot induced stupidity don't you seem to be getting?
btw Shooting a hunter in his frontal armor won't do anything but make it laugh at you before it fires a ball of super heated plasma at you.
Btw, Titus has a Jet Pack. Firing in his 'frontal armor' isn't an issue. Which makes the idea of the Hunter hitting him with plasma even more hilarious.
The Space Marines tactics put them at a disadvantage against Hunters. Master Chief uses heavy weapons such as the 102mm M41SSR anti tank missile launcher & stealth tactics he doesn't go head on against a hunter
Your knowledge of Space Marines is, well, lacking.
That is funny, because in Forward Unto Dawn, Chief beat one with a grenade. In hand to hand.
The only known Spartan to go head on against Hunters and kill one got killed by the other Hunter .. btw to take away the Hunters bond brother ie the other hunter and still remain within canon you have to make the hunter twice the size of the ones in the game at minimum.
Forward. Unto. Dawn.
No, you don't. Thread makers can do whatever they please. I can make a mini-hunter the size of a chihuahua against a chibi-Master Chief if I so desired.
which means the average Space Marine is going up against some thing that in canon can range from the average bond brothers of 13ft tall to 50ft in hunter form... that's not counting the other forms they are capable of.
This isn't your average Space Marines, and the sheer fact you think you can prove a 50ft Hunter is just you being petty now.
. A single hunter without ever splitting into bond brothers can reach 50ft but I guess I can play nice and give the Space Marine a real chance by saying a hunter twice the size of a standard hunter or 26ft tall heavily armored hunter that makes terminator armor look weak when attacked from the front which Space Marines tend to do.
What you mean is:
"Because you cannot grasp the idea of the fiction you like losing, you are going to throw a fit, toss out random numbers despite what the OP has because your ego just can't handle the notion"?
Lol yes, because, your knowledge so far has just been sooooo inspiring, I can't wait to know what you know about terminator armor outside of video games.
But hey, at least Terminator armor covers the Space Marines entire body.
oh and that plasma cannon does get larger with the hunters increased size we wouldn't want it to look like a hunter carrying a plasma pistol now would we.
Again, you are not the OP kid. You don't get to make your own little rules and try and change the thread to suit your needs. That isn't how it works. OP has one, standard Hunter. One. Normal Hunter. As if it had a bond brother, but hey, op makers can warp reality to their whim anytime they so desire, vs Captain Titus.
Get over it. Move on.
So realistically since this match is a cross over things have to equate to the other for either side to have a fair chance.
That isn't how it works. Their weaponry is just as strong as it is in their universe. You don't 'weaken' one side down to make them even with the other side unless the OP is specifically doing so. Which it isn't.
Guy, the sheer fact you are trying to lower the Imperium weaponry to match UNSC/Covenant weaponry, means you are grasping now.
sure a Space Marines armor normally is like tissue paper compared to the MJOLNIR of the Spartans as there armor allows them to perform things like exo-atmospheric insertion without a drop pod. but if we compare the Mk VII Aquila armor to the MJOLNIR Mk IV it could be compare able.. add the Iron halo and we get the Mk V MJOLNIR which has a 50/50 chance of surviving atmospheric reentry without injury of the wearer. ie the suit can survive the same jump as Noble 6 and MC have survived but the occupant has a 50/50 chance of walking away .. note Noble 6 on reach was wearing the Mk V & was injured by a fall from space.
Oh my god, this is... you... give me a minute.
@killerwasp ^ Look it! XD This one is going to be hilarious in future threads. Can't wait to see his 'unbiased' opinion on Halo for the future, and dear god, he is so misinformed, I would feel bad to crush his misconceptions. He is even trying to use the 'Fall from Orbit!' bit! Hell, maybe he will also say they hit the ground like a nuke because they had no idea what Terminal Velocity is.
Another note Will-043 the only known Spartan to kill a hunter in hand to hand combat was shot in the back at point blank range by the other hunter, that was against two average size hunters not a 26ft double sized hunter as would have to be the case in this match since the guy who started this part of the match up apparently has no clue about halo canon as normal hunters work in pairs.
Again. See Chihuahua reference. Op maker can do as they will.
Also, see reference, Forward Unto Dawn.
only hunters that have not split into bond brothers are ever seen alone and are extremely rare or nearly non existent in halo canon. those 50ft hunters in the halo legions episode The Dual are an example of single colony form's ie each hunter in that episode is probably a single colony that hasn't split into bond brothers as doing so does make the Hunters half the size of the single colony form
You just don't get the 'OP does what they will' thing do you? If it makes you feel better, you can say 'Space Marine vs Hunter Pair', and I will just say, Melta GG.
So yeah with hero mode turned off and the typical Space Marines tactics the good Captain Titus is probably going to die in this one as he has no ideal what the hell this thing he is going up against is or what its weaknesses are if any from the view of a Space Marine, the hunters armor would be indestructible no matter how many 75cal bolter bolts he shoots at it they have no affect in frontal combat
Uh, you do know that Bolters can take out APCs and there are numerous different types of Bolter ammunition, yes? Some of which goes hypersonic and is designed purely for armor penetration? Cause, I am sure you have good, solid feats for Hunter armor besides, LOL SHIP GRADEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Lol you mean 'hero mode' turned off as, 'If we hit him really, really, really, really, really hard with plot induced stupidity, I think he will slowly walk up to the glowing green cannon so my beloved hunter can win!'
and to make matters worse this thing can since its opponents location in any direction this is near impossible to sneak up on especially for a 7.6ft tall bright blue armored target unless they are in the ocean lol.
Space Marine will always know his location thanks ot something called an Auspex which is like what a Spartan's motion detector wants to be when it grows up.
You mean ignoring the fact that fact I already pointed to examples of them doing that? Sure, you can toss out lore examples of 40k if I get to toss out lore examples of Halo. Like everything in grasslands. I would be cool with that.
Also, they would have gone with bright neon green, but Spartans already claimed that terrible color.
At least Spartans wear green or black normally some times dark blue but nothing as bright as Ultramarines standard color.
Bright Green won't hide you from anyone, but you know what I recall? Certain Spartan IVs wearing blue armor, huh, maybe they are trying to be Ultramarines, they are better off just jumping off a bridge for they shall never be Ultramarines.
Btw Captain Titus has never single handedly brought down an entire alien alliance using his tactics. Master Chief did.
No, he didn't. First off, the most he did to this end was destroy the halo thus shaking the foundations of the Covenant, he did not do this intentionally to shake the covenant, second, the Prophets did more than Master Chief did to undermine the alliance the Covenant had resulting in the Schism, finally, no, the Gravemind did more to this end than Master Chief did via invading High Charity and shattering the Covenants capital. MC was just kinda there to see it.
But who am I to stand in the way of the unleashed MC wank?
So no Captain Titus is not super Master Chief.. he isn't even in the same league in ether equipment or tactics used canonically speaking. As Spartans have more than just their armor available as equipment, Spartans have stuff like active camo , drones both spy & attack types, hard light shield projectors, holograms, etc. Space Marines don't have or use those types of technologies and tactics wise Space Marines are designed & trained as shock troops for planetary invasion. Spartans are designed & trained as elite special forces , assassins, spies, hackers, etc. They are actually intended to go behind enemy lines and take out the enemies leadership directly , gather intelligence, hack enemy systems , etc. not fight through waves of Orks to get there. Spartans are often dropped in directly on the target or sneak in to the target area, kill or capture the target than sneak back out undetected leaving no evidence aside for the lack of leadership and maybe a few dead personal body guards but nothing to say who or what did it. That is a totally different type of mission and organization than Space Marines are designed as and trained for. So .Basically seal team 6, Green Beret's & Delta Force in one on steroids with a blank check is close to what Spartans are
This is just getting sad, you know that right? Have you.... even read 40k novels? Cause, at this point, I am seriously doubting it.
died as a result of being sent into frontline combat. MC and his team survived because their mission was changed to the type they where trained to do. And they succeeded at it. well MC did as the rest of his team other then Linda-058 the teams sniper was with him throughout most of halo 1 but spent some time recovering from her near death injuries & rejoined him later. The rest went MIA for a while.
This may blow your mind, but all that crap you were saying about how the 'Spartans were super awesome elite OMGGGGGGHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG special forces that assassination, infiltrate, I stopped listening to your ramble halfway through'? Space Marines do the same thing. Why can they do both? Equipment for the job. The fact that your average Space Marine is going to be over a hundred years old and has seen more in his time than you could ever dream to?
MC used a local military school cadet who volunteered to be a distraction while MC ran up behind the hunter & planted a fragmentation grenade inside the hunters worm colony to kill it. That's the trick getting behind it while it is distracted by someone else. unfortanetly this match up is a 1v1 So the Captain Titus has nothing to distract the hunter with and will be detected from a far distance away before he even fires his weapon
Yes, the hunter that couldn't hit a cadet running in a straight line after numerous shots. SOoooooo impressive, good call trying to use that example. Or how about how Chief jumped on him, was knocked aside, and had time to get back up and jump on the Hunter again because the Hunter was rather lacking in the mental capacity?
Yeah. Cause using a slow moving cadet is the same as a Space Marine who, normally, run the fastest MC has ever ran in his life (which tore his legs up, btw), and has a Jump Pack that allows them to fly (not just jump despite the name, Dante used his to outfly a Hive Tyrant).
n. btw with hero mode off he will probably die like anything else that tries to fight a hunter in frontal combat.
'If we hit him really, really, really, really, really hard with plot induced stupidity, I think he will slowly walk up to the glowing green cannon so my beloved hunter can win!'
Which is a Space Marines specialty but hunters armor makes them the undisputed king of frontal or head on direct combat, as nothing short of a tank is going to anything more than annoy a hunter & hunters can deflect tank round off their shield & armor easily in normal size form a 26ft tall hunter is likely twice what a standard hunters armor is and would weigh in at 21,000lbs or more just so you know how big a hunter would have to be without a bond brother.
Lol ah, you are adorable. Again, Space Marines don't fight head on unless they believe it to be the best option (which, sometimes, it is), unless this was changed to a Khorne Beserker when I wasn't looking?
I am going to mention that I want to see proof of a Hunter deflecting a Scorpion tank round, and also point out that the Scorpion is a crappy tank with a small gun.
You need to stop with the whole, 'I don't like the OP, so I'ma throw a tantrum about how I think it should be!' Seriously, stop it.
PS .. after 30 plus years of war the Hunters are pretty good with that plasma canon and hero mode is turned off so Captain Titus has the same abilities as any other no name Space Marine Captain or Space Marine in general would have.
Same abilities? You mean the abilities of a superhuman with hundreds (as a captain it would be 150-200+) years of combat experience in all sorts of situations against all sorts of opponents?
Also, no, that isn't what 'no hero mode' is. Plot shields off, is what you are referring to, cause hate to break it to ya Champ, if someone uses a named character, said named character gets their personal feats along with the feats for someone like them.
thus if he choses the standard frontal assault against a hunter as he would normally against an Ork he will die .
And plot induced stupidity! Round... eight?
2 Hunters carry plasma canons which since this is a cross over we can only assume would have the same effect on Space Marines armor as any other heavy plasma weapon would have in 40k.
That isn't how it works. Covenant plasma stays covenant plasma level. It doesn't get to step into its big boy pants and evolve into 40k plasma.
You cannot 'only assume' that is just screaming 'nonsensical'. Covenant plasma has its own feats, its own heat, its own power. It doesn't get to change to another different type of plasma just because it would make you feel all warm and tingly inside.
3rd A hunter can since an enemy from some distance away even when they aren't looking in the same direction the enemy is coming from so there is really not a good chance that a Space Marine in bright blue armor is going to sneak up on it.
Yet it did nothing when Master Chief was jumping all over it. Go figure.
4th the Space Marines standard weapons won't do shit to a hunter in frontal assault considering that even an average hunter can deflect a tank round and/or plasma tank round off its shields like its nothing, hit that with a bolter round and Captain Titus will feel the ground shake as the Hunter laughs at him.
Oh, what this? You switched from trying to say the poweraxe can't get through it to try and shift the attention away from that fact? Lovely.
It is just a bloody shame he has a Jump Pack and that mean ol' power axe, isn't it?
5th getting close enough to use a power sword is suicide as chances are with hero mode turned off the hunter will hit Captain Titus before he has a chance to use the power sword.
You don't understand the sheer difference in speed between a Space Marine and a Hunter, do you? No, the example YOU used for a Hunter shows a hilarious inaccuracy.
beside that a hunters armor is capable of taking a hit from energy swords of the elites the energy sword cuts or stabs straight through both energy shield "Iron Halo" and any metal like a hot knife through butter..
Power Sword (Axe here, but whatever) > Energy Sword.
And no, Iron Halos also stand up to tank fire without getting hurt! Crazy right? Not those sissy 90 mm tank shots either, but real tank shots.
the Hunters shields can take a few hits from that without the hunter even noticing it. That's some bad armor to fight in typical Space Marines frontal assault tactics.To win a Space Marine would have to adapt tactics more akin to the Spartans from halo ie stealthier , more special forces or ninja like tactics or bring in something much more powerful than their standard weapons. ie Anti tank weapons required to take down a hunter if fighting in frontal or direct combat. So two choices either use tactics that according to the codex are forbidden or bring in anti tank weapons. There is no other way to beat a hunter.
Dear god, your wank and ignorance of the 40k universe is... just painful at this point.
, it is hard to argue against the Covenenants massive fleet,
....................................................................................... Are.............. Even if you ignored the hilarious difference in power between their weapons and ship toughness, let me put it in perspective for you.
Due to warpstorms, the Imperium once lost a million ships to it. This did not effect the Imperium in the slightest.
So no Captain Titus is not super Master Chief.. he isn't even in the same league in ether equipment or tactics used canonically speaking. As Spartans have more than just their armor available as equipment, Spartans have stuff like active camo , drones both spy & attack types, hard light shield projectors, holograms, etc. Space Marines don't have or use those types of technologies and tactics wise Space Marines are designed & trained as shock troops for planetary invasion. Spartans are designed & trained as elite special forces , assassins, spies, hackers, etc. They are actually intended to go behind enemy lines and take out the enemies leadership directly , gather intelligence, hack enemy systems , etc. not fight through waves of Orks to get there. Spartans are often dropped in directly on the target or sneak in to the target area, kill or capture the target than sneak back out undetected leaving no evidence aside for the lack of leadership and maybe a few dead personal body guards but nothing to say who or what did it. That is a totally different type of mission and organization than Space Marines are designed as and trained for. So .Basically seal team 6, Green Beret's & Delta Force in one on steroids with a blank check is close to what Spartans are
This is just getting sad, you know that right? Have you.... even read 40k novels? Cause, at this point, I am seriously doubting it.
He's not, MC has a whole bigger level of plot armor LOL XD, that aside He lacks knowledge of SM's already had this problem already with someone else, they just don't understand that SM's have very high reaction speeds which reminds me I still need to find the codex that clearly states they got lighting reaction speed literally flat out says that, I think its either in the 3rd or 4th codex, and it's never been stated in any of the others after either one. Weapons also are very high end, unless MC has------ why are we debating MC again? XD
sure a Space Marines armor normally is like tissue paper compared to the MJOLNIR of the Spartans as there armor allows them to perform things like exo-atmospheric insertion without a drop pod. but if we compare the Mk VII Aquila armor to the MJOLNIR Mk IV it could be compare able.. add the Iron halo and we get the Mk V MJOLNIR which has a 50/50 chance of surviving atmospheric reentry without injury of the wearer. ie the suit can survive the same jump as Noble 6 and MC have survived but the occupant has a 50/50 chance of walking away .. note Noble 6 on reach was wearing the Mk V & was injured by a fall from space.
Oh my god, this is... you... give me a minute.
@killerwasp ^ Look it! XD This one is going to be hilarious in future threads. Can't wait to see his 'unbiased' opinion on Halo for the future, and dear god, he is so misinformed, I would feel bad to crush his misconceptions. He is even trying to use the 'Fall from Orbit!' bit! Hell, maybe he will also say they hit the ground like a nuke because they had no idea what Terminal Velocity is.
Does he not know SM durability? Did he just say SM armor which pings off higher damage weapons like eldar weapons, nids, IG, etc. Is more less durable? Lol
A few things he's correct on though, In halo reach Spartan Noble 6 IIRC did a drop like this, and walked it off. However that's no where near what he is saying, or stating what spartans can do. IIRC MC had armor lock mode, but was never hurt by his crash, he used a shield yes to block the heat, but nothing ever hurt, and ofc the shield reduced speed and slowed him down, still somewhat of an impressive feat, BUT it's blown out of proportions like other sc ifs
Video of Spartan Noble 6 IIRC.
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Anyway, few other points real fast,
covie ships, Yes their shields are nice, but their ships aren't too bad on armor unlike star wars and so on, they've lived like I said even when shields overwhelmed or lack of high end shields just fine against the mac slugs, The one I told u sent the Covie ship spinning didn't do damage to it, but minor stuff. Granted slugs like the macs aren't burned base, but still. Anyway just a point. I could be wrong on this, but I'm willing to look again if you want.
hunter topic, It's already been stated hunters have killed spartans, that's fact we saw this happen, and so on can they kill a space marine, no SM moves too fast for a hunter to understand whats going on, although the Hunter still out strengths him, this doesn't mean he wont be able to land a blow, and the SM has the gear and weapons to bring down a Covie hunters, especially someone like titus. They also are one of the smartest thinkers and flatten elites within a single blow, not saying its impressive, but damn that was for "getting out of line" moment by them, anyway I aint agreeing with him hunter would still lose, but lets face it MC beat the stupid didact him killing hunters is kinda well expected cause everything is fodderized when chief is here LOL; Spartans, Hunters, Super powerful aliens, etc. XD
Still priceless on the lack of knowledge on SMs, cracks me up LOL mother of goodness. XD
@killerwasp: He's not, MC has a whole bigger level of plot armor LOL XD, that aside He lacks knowledge of SM's already had this problem already with someone else, they just don't understand that SM's have very high reaction speeds which reminds me I still need to find the codex that clearly states they got lighting reaction speed literally flat out says that, I think its either in the 3rd or 4th codex, and it's never been stated in any of the others after either one. Weapons also are very high end, unless MC has------ why are we debating MC again? XD
Really? Who did he have problems with? (You know, its people like that that make it impossible for me to ever get to debate for Halo. :( I only get to in Flood/Forerunner threads.)
Yeah, but I can grab novel feats of Space Marines Reaction Speeds if necessary.
Come on, XD It is Halo, MC was bound to be brought up sooner or later.
Does he not know SM durability? Did he just say SM armor which pings off higher damage weapons like eldar weapons, nids, IG, etc. Is more less durable? Lol
Not just less durable, but it is tissue paper in comparison.
A few things he's correct on though, In halo reach Spartan Noble 6 IIRC did a drop like this, and walked it off. However that's no where near what he is saying, or stating what spartans can do. IIRC MC had armor lock mode, but was never hurt by his crash, he used a shield yes to block the heat, but nothing ever hurt, and ofc the shield reduced speed and slowed him down, still somewhat of an impressive feat, BUT it's blown out of proportions like other sc ifs
Yeah, MC locked the armor to not snap his arms and what not from his body landing and jerking in awkward positions, and the gel inside hardened to protect his organs or something like that.
Aye, hitting the ground and walking it off after hitting terminal velocity is impressive, but god I hate that feat. So overblown.
covie ships, Yes their shields are nice, but their ships aren't too bad on armor unlike star wars and so on, they've lived like I said even when shields overwhelmed or lack of high end shields just fine against the mac slugs, The one I told u sent the Covie ship spinning didn't do damage to it, but minor stuff. Granted slugs like the macs aren't burned base, but still. Anyway just a point. I could be wrong on this, but I'm willing to look again if you want.
I thought it was a few MAC rounds to down the shield then one to gut it? (I am referring to the normal, smaller Covie ships, not the big ones that threaten UNSC fleets on their own).
hunter topic, It's already been stated hunters have killed spartans, that's fact we saw this happen, and so on can they kill a space marine, no SM moves too fast for a hunter to understand whats going on, although the Hunter still out strengths him, this doesn't mean he wont be able to land a blow, and the SM has the gear and weapons to bring down a Covie hunters, especially someone like titus. They also are one of the smartest thinkers and flatten elites within a single blow, not saying its impressive, but damn that was for "getting out of line" moment by them, anyway I aint agreeing with him hunter would still lose, but lets face it MC beat the stupid didact him killing hunters is kinda well expected cause everything is fodderized when chief is here LOL; Spartans, Hunters, Super powerful aliens, etc. XD
I wasn't saying the SM was too fast for the Hunter to react, but hitting a Space Marine Captain that also has a jump pack with the fairly slow firing Hunter cannon? Odds are highly, highly against it. (Could smack him in melee though if the Captain overextended himself or left himself open).
The Chief has that power. XD He is like Batman, everyone around him gets weaker so that he may be awesome.
Your personal verdict on Power Axe vs Hunter Armor?
Still priceless on the lack of knowledge on SMs, cracks me up LOL mother of goodness. XD
Right? I am totally fine with someone debating for a faction they like, or one they think wins, but the blatant lack of knowledge on the other team is just... almost impressive. Not knowing, is one thing as, hey, you just may not know, no harm down, speaking like you do when... you have no idea is another entirely. Especially when it is that wrong.
XD Cause we all know Space Marines are only good as shock troops. Things like Alpha Legion, Raven Guard, Scouts, Kill-Teams, the entire Deathwatch, those... those don't count.
Really? Who did he have problems with? (You know, its people like that that make it impossible for me to ever get to debate for Halo. :( I only get to in Flood/Forerunner threads.)
No other people I've argued with go to IG vs UNSC thread, you will see.
Yeah, but I can grab novel feats of Space Marines Reaction Speeds if necessary.
Already been done before, idk up to u honestly.
Come on, XD It is Halo, MC was bound to be brought up sooner or later.
Lol, Other people are important too dang it! XD
Not just less durable, but it is tissue paper in comparison.
Must be some strong ass tissue paper LOL.
Yeah, MC locked the armor to not snap his arms and what not from his body landing and jerking in awkward positions, and the gel inside hardened to protect his organs or something like that.
Yeah the suits and stuff are durable, and honestly this feat gets either highballed or lowballed either way, and honestly people just need to calm down and actually look at the feat for once.
Aye, hitting the ground and walking it off after hitting terminal velocity is impressive, but god I hate that feat. So overblown.
Yeah, like I said it's impressive, but not SM impressive.
I thought it was a few MAC rounds to down the shield then one to gut it? (I am referring to the normal, smaller Covie ships, not the big ones that threaten UNSC fleets on their own).
It's the similar thoughts like protoss ships, shields are good, but they aint boned without them, missiles and stuff still dont do jack really against it. Covies shields also spawn quickly as well, as shown in IIRC Halo Reach, covie ship by the second mac shot ( maybe 10 secs ) had shields already up pretty close enough to still adsorb the round, still got hurt never the less cause they weren't fully done ( mean it went from zero to idk 15% within a few seconds ) not enough to stop ti but yeah. Also the UNSC had to aim their ship, you see covie's ship command area isnt actually in the front of the ship, its on the middle part oddly enough, and so they have to aim for that. If they don't the mac round can skid off like seen in IIRC The Flood.
I wasn't saying the SM was too fast for the Hunter to react, but hitting a Space Marine Captain that also has a jump pack with the fairly slow firing Hunter cannon? Odds are highly, highly against it. (Could smack him in melee though if the Captain overextended himself or left himself open).
Meh honestly depends on the hunter's weapon, rods in halo 1 were actually way faster than the fuel rod gun their different too, halo 2 it was a beam pretty fast again, halo 3 kinda slow, halo ODST meh slow, Halo Reach somewhat fast again. Halo 1 shook the screen though man that was scary at times lol.
The Chief has that power. XD He is like Batman, everyone around him gets weaker so that he may be awesome.
Which again, Titus loses, even when he logically wins, he still doesn't. XD
Your personal verdict on Power Axe vs Hunter Armor?
Power axe - breaks down on a molecular level correcto? Cuts it's just fine. Even though the Covies and UNSC had their armor bonded on a Molecular level, UNSC hammers through stuff, and covies burn it, only thing I see on a molecular level weapon is the anti matter charge bomb ( u saw in reach that video up top vaporizing the ship itself, and possibly energy sword as it's cut through everything and not one thing has it failed to cut on. Besides another energy sword ). Anyway all in all Power axe does fine, as long as it works on a molecular level, if not it'd take a few power swings imo to ruin the armor, and a few more to possibly ruin the shield.
Right? I am totally fine with someone debating for a faction they like, or one they think wins, but the blatant lack of knowledge on the other team is just... almost impressive. Not knowing, is one thing as, hey, you just may not know, no harm down, speaking like you do when... you have no idea is another entirely. Especially when it is that wrong.
XD yep sounds about right to me, argh all those halo threads and warhammer threads I had to argue for! XD
XD Cause we all know Space Marines are only good as shock troops. Things like Alpha Legion, Raven Guard, Scouts, Kill-Teams, the entire Deathwatch, those... those don't count.
Or heck lets skip that and say, Thousand sons, White scars, Night lords, and word bearers as well, cause well phuck magic, terror lighting fast attacks, and ambushes those aint needed, only chumps do those things, frontal assault here we come! XD
@killerwasp: No other people I've argued with go to IG vs UNSC thread, you will see.
The one made by Pokergeist? You know.. I should make an IG vs UNSC thread... with given numbers... just.. use the one I am working on and replace Orks with the IG... hmmmmmmm
Already been done before, idk up to u honestly.
That is true. There is also always Striders respect thread for lazy days.
Must be some strong ass tissue paper LOL.
Yeah the suits and stuff are durable, and honestly this feat gets either highballed or lowballed either way, and honestly people just need to calm down and actually look at the feat for once.
Indeed, highballed or lowballed. The big thing is he hit the ground at terminal velocity without suffering damage to himself or compromising his suit, yet people will either ignore it or parade it around as solid proof that MC is invulnerable to everything below the Hulk.
Yeah, like I said it's impressive, but not SM impressive.
Space Marines have done it too!!! XD A Space Marine fell down a chute that was hundreds of kilometers long. His armor was fine, but he had a few hairline fractures which annoyed him greatly.
Drop Pods are also, stupidly dangerous. The force they have when they impact is enough to crush normal men's skeletal structures... those things...aren't safe....
It is all impressive, but calling their armor tissue paper? Them be fightin' words. (Unless it is Space Marines vs the Bolo or something... than... yeah.. their armor is like tissue paper to a bolo tank)
It's the similar thoughts like protoss ships, shields are good, but they aint boned without them, missiles and stuff still dont do jack really against it. Covies shields also spawn quickly as well, as shown in IIRC Halo Reach, covie ship by the second mac shot ( maybe 10 secs ) had shields already up pretty close enough to still adsorb the round, still got hurt never the less cause they weren't fully done ( mean it went from zero to idk 15% within a few seconds ) not enough to stop ti but yeah. Also the UNSC had to aim their ship, you see covie's ship command area isnt actually in the front of the ship, its on the middle part oddly enough, and so they have to aim for that. If they don't the mac round can skid off like seen in IIRC The Flood.
What about that one missile in Halo 4 that blew the Covie ship up?
I like that though, it doesn't need to be in the front of the ship. XD that is what cameras are for.
Meh honestly depends on the hunter's weapon, rods in halo 1 were actually way faster than the fuel rod gun their different too, halo 2 it was a beam pretty fast again, halo 3 kinda slow, halo ODST meh slow, Halo Reach somewhat fast again. Halo 1 shook the screen though man that was scary at times lol.
I wasn't talking about the beam, itself, I was talking about the charge up time. The glowing cannon and brief 'charge-up' before the plasma is unleashed. <--- If a giant glowing cannon isn't your sign to move, you deserve to die.
Which again, Titus loses, even when he logically wins, he still doesn't. XD
XD he trips and snaps his neck for not wearing a helmet! (That should be an option in any 40k game, to put a damn helmet on).
Power axe - breaks down on a molecular level correcto? Cuts it's just fine. Even though the Covies and UNSC had their armor bonded on a Molecular level, UNSC hammers through stuff, and covies burn it, only thing I see on a molecular level weapon is the anti matter charge bomb ( u saw in reach that video up top vaporizing the ship itself, and possibly energy sword as it's cut through everything and not one thing has it failed to cut on. Besides another energy sword ). Anyway all in all Power axe does fine, as long as it works on a molecular level, if not it'd take a few power swings imo to ruin the armor, and a few more to possibly ruin the shield.
Aye, the shield around the blade separates molecules (sometimes releasing energy after splitting them and 'exploding' whatever it cut).
Agreed, I never thought one hit would simply make the armor useless.
XD yep sounds about right to me, argh all those halo threads and warhammer threads I had to argue for! XD
:D
Or heck lets skip that and say, Thousand sons, White scars, Night lords, and word bearers as well, cause well phuck magic, terror lighting fast attacks, and ambushes those aint needed, only chumps do those things, frontal assault here we come! XD
Don't tell anyone, but all Space Marines, Chaos and Loyal, are all secretly Khorne Beserkers...
@wut: Mhhh maybe i was Eclipse, but i remember some of the souces stating that three were ever built including the executor, so idk. Just saw the other post, ill get to it when i can!
The one made by Pokergeist? You know.. I should make an IG vs UNSC thread... with given numbers... just.. use the one I am working on and replace Orks with the IG... hmmmmmmm
Yep lol
That is true. There is also always Striders respect thread for lazy days.
Indeed, strider is such a baller xD
Indeed, highballed or lowballed. The big thing is he hit the ground at terminal velocity without suffering damage to himself or compromising his suit, yet people will either ignore it or parade it around as solid proof that MC is invulnerable to everything below the Hulk.
Well there is that one video.... and stuff. XD
Space Marines have done it too!!! XD A Space Marine fell down a chute that was hundreds of kilometers long. His armor was fine, but he had a few hairline fractures which annoyed him greatly.
Drop Pods are also, stupidly dangerous. The force they have when they impact is enough to crush normal men's skeletal structures... those things...aren't safe....
It is all impressive, but calling their armor tissue paper? Them be fightin' words. (Unless it is Space Marines vs the Bolo or something... than... yeah.. their armor is like tissue paper to a bolo tank)
Yeah i disagree sm armor is not tissue paper compared to spartan armor lol.
What about that one missile in Halo 4 that blew the Covie ship up?
I like that though, it doesn't need to be in the front of the ship. XD that is what cameras are for.
Which one?
I wasn't talking about the beam, itself, I was talking about the charge up time. The glowing cannon and brief 'charge-up' before the plasma is unleashed. <--- If a giant glowing cannon isn't your sign to move, you deserve to die.
What u mean? Hunters never sit there and charge up their weapons. XD
XD he trips and snaps his neck for not wearing a helmet! (That should be an option in any 40k game, to put a damn helmet on).
Better ending than Space Marines lol
Aye, the shield around the blade separates molecules (sometimes releasing energy after splitting them and 'exploding' whatever it cut).
Agreed, I never thought one hit would simply make the armor useless.
Maybe not, but still the UNSC and Covies don't have a lot of molecular splitting weapons, and stuff but we do know that Ta armor is held on a molecular scale, and same thought is applied for the Covies as well.
Don't tell anyone, but all Space Marines, Chaos and Loyal, are all secretly Khorne Beserkers...
Very beginning of the game. Covie ship doesn't have its shields on because (plot), so MC and Cortana launch said missile at the covie ship destroying it.
What u mean? Hunters never sit there and charge up their weapons. XD
Lol okay, they walk slowly side to side as their cannons charge up. :D
Better ending than Space Marines lol
Not a high bar to get over.
Maybe not, but still the UNSC and Covies don't have a lot of molecular splitting weapons, and stuff but we do know that Ta armor is held on a molecular scale, and same thought is applied for the Covies as well.
Technically, everything is held together on a molecular scale... kinda how life works..
It is often stated in Warhammer 40k that a company of space marines can defeat an entire planet's worth of foes, and a chapter can do more. A million space marines vs anything is a kerb stomp, as power weaponry in 40k is ridiculously OP in fluff, bypassing armour of any kind, while the bolted wielded by every space marine has roughly the one shot power as a rocket launcher, just without the area of effect, as it explodes inside opponents. And some space marine tanks are borderline immune to shooting. Remember marines have super heavy support as well.
Don't even get started on Psykers. They are so overwhelmingly powerful in fluff it just isn't fair, and so underpowered in crunch it isn't true.
Round 1: Space marines win. The ridiculous OPness of the fluff is just too much cheese for even millions of the covenant to handle
Round 2: No idea- although it will be down to the line, I think the sheer numbers of the covenant might have it
Rounds 3-5: Kerbstomps for the marines involved- Giving the Captain a Power Axe makes him instantly more deadly than anything in the covenant ranks that isn't super heavy scale, while the stats for bolters are just obscene in the fluff
The space marines stomp big time. I mean the covenant have been given trouble by Spartans and odst. Space marines are genetically superior to that of all human forces in halo. I would probably even say that if you changed it from space marines and made it imperial guard regiments instead it would be a fairer fight. As they have good equipment and each regiment is used to fighting unwinnable battles death korp of krieg would be happy to purge these xenos in the name of the god emperor.
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