@Fortified_Hooligan:
If this was a slug-fest, i think i would give it to Marcus. He does have better durability.
Agreed
But given what we've seen NS5's doing, and how Sonny absolutely smoked other NS5's, I anticipate sonny actually doing flips around Marcus. The agility and speed is a huge difference.
Yes, he completly dominated the. The other NS-5's seems to have similar agility as well. This does not however count out Marcus, he did not even know he was a terminator until towards the end of the movie. The strength shown when he was tossing a T-800 around like a rag doll shows that his body has the strength to jump high and probably "flip around" if he so chose to do so. There was no indication that he would not be able to preform such feats if the situation demanded it.
I don't think Sonny could beat on Marcus to KO him. Maybe the heart punch, maybe not. But that wasn't the NS5 MO anyway.
I agree, his hits would do little damage to Marcus if any at all. He would also not know of his heart as his weak point. Even if he did he would either have to have him step on a land mine and blow half his ribcage away to access it or hit as hard as a T-800 to damage it externally.
Could Sonny grab hold of marcus' head and snap it around, breaking the head loose? i think so. I don't think Marcus is fast enough to stop that from happening. And though that alone might not kill or KO marcus, it should damage him enough to make his follow up attempts futile. It should make him easy pickings at that point for sonny to reef on his head and seperate it.
I disagree, if and that is an If Sonny got a good grip on Marcus's head he wouldn't be able to snap it around easily, if at all, it would be a struggle. This would also allow for Marcus to get his hands on Sonny and try to do the exact same thing Sonny was attempting to do. He can also start plucking his limbs off like a sick chile would do to a butterfly. Saying Sonny has a speed or agility advantage is pure speculation, there was at no point in the T4 movie that "doing flips" would have been advantageous for Marcus.
Lets forstall a little bit of argument from T3. Ahhnould had his head kicked off by the TX, and he just plopped it back into place and twisted it into a "CLINK" connection.
That was utter PIS. Take a look at the endoskeleton of the terminators. Their heads don't connect like leggo men heads. They are a metal spine supported by pistons which roughly mimic the placement of human neck muscles.
Yes, it was indeed utter PIS. when Marcus decapitated the T-800 in T4 it was dead, all mechanical parts snapped off the works.
When those get broken/separated, they will stay that way unless somebody repairs them.
Agreed, I I stated above and aging below in this post that part of T3 was PIS. What Marcus did to the T-800 looked perfectly legit to me.
Sonny may not be as strong as the battle-tested T chassis. His breed of robot was meant to be a kind of house-servant, after all and Terminators are meant to.. ah... terminate, so they need to be able to withstand a little termination themselves. So i won't argue that terminators are not generally more durable, and marcus vs Sonny should bear that out as well, despite Sonny having an upgrade vs other NS5's.
No, he was no where near as strong. This is all true in regards to there respective roles aside from Sonny himself. He was designed with superior AI, superior alloys and superior programing, this was his fathers doing to put down the rest of the robots..
BUT, there are weak points in the terminator endoskeleton and the neck is a prime example. The NS5's standard MO seemed to be to wrench on these kinds of weak joints and destory them, rather than to try to break through the stranger material of the chest or head. Like crocodiles and the death roll.
Marcus is not a T-800 so we do not know if that is a weak point of his own. He actually used a similar tactic on to completly remove the head of the T-800 that was about to kill John.
Just one minor correction to this comment about how Sonny went for "the weak points". If I recall, he put his hand straight through the head of another NS-5, that wouldn't even dent Marcus if he tried that strategy.
If Sonny just tried to punch it out, i don't think it would work. If he went for death-rolls, he would probably succeed.
I think Marcus would wreck him in a pure slug fest, if Sonny went for death rolls and flips it would be on Marcus to adapt. I personally think Marcus would be able to counter this given his size, weight compared to his strength. The plot in T4 never called for him to do so, I agree why they went that route too, his character was supposed to be the most human terminator ever created so if he started flipping around through the air and clinging to walls with claw like fingers would have just been plain silly. This however does not meant his is unable to do these things.
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