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You may be right......*sigh*
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#52  Edited By cascadeking09
@buttersdaman000: I'd put money on it.
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#53  Edited By lets_jam
@cascadeking09 said:

@lets_jam: I know the difference between ki and chakra, chakra is a combination of stamina and lifeforce ki is life force. Every living person has stamina and live force, I just don't get why anyone would ever argue that genjutsu doesn't work outside of the NarutoU because saying they're the only ones that have chakra is totally ridiculous.  And it would take raising both their ki and their stamina levels to break it and that depends on how strong it is.

No chakara is just life force..it has nothing to do with stamina. I could get into exactly why people would say it wouldnt work but i'd rather not.  And as i've said there isnt a single person in the naruto universe who can possibly compare to ki levels of even the lowest z fighters. There isnt one person in the naruto universe with enough chakara to destroy a moon. Which means that anyone above roshi and can control ki well isnt getting genjutsued
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#54  Edited By lets_jam
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@lets_jam:  I only said that since somebody brought it up before But if you want to debate about this I could make a thread right now.......
that has already been done. And so has nappa and raditz vs the naruto universe
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#55  Edited By cascadeking09
@lets_jam said:

@cascadeking09 said:

@lets_jam: I know the difference between ki and chakra, chakra is a combination of stamina and lifeforce ki is life force. Every living person has stamina and live force, I just don't get why anyone would ever argue that genjutsu doesn't work outside of the NarutoU because saying they're the only ones that have chakra is totally ridiculous.  And it would take raising both their ki and their stamina levels to break it and that depends on how strong it is.

No chakara is just life force..it has nothing to do with stamina. I could get into exactly why people would say it wouldnt work but i'd rather not.  And as i've said there isnt a single person in the naruto universe who can possibly compare to ki levels of even the lowest z fighters. There isnt one person in the naruto universe with enough ki to destroy a moon. Which means that anyone above roshi and can control ki well isnt getting genjutsued
No it isn't read about it. Chakra is a combination of stamina and life force. It even says it on the wiki, they draw on their chakra by using hand signs.
 
Here is the description of chakra: Chakra  is essential to even the most basic jutsu; it is a mixture of the physical energy present in every cell of the body and the spiritual energy gained from exercise and experience. Once mixed it can be channelled through the chakra circulatory system. Chakra can be manipulated through various methods, hand seals are the most common.
 
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#56  Edited By lets_jam
@cascadeking09: im not even going to bother pointing out how nothing in your quote or your scan made any mention about stamina...oops i guess i just did.
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#57  Edited By cascadeking09
@lets_jam: Lol did you not see the yen and yang thing or the part about physical part aka stamina in the other one? I swtiched it with a better scan that describes the whole thing. Body energy is obviously the physical part.
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#58  Edited By lets_jam
@cascadeking09: no i saw you post a scan that you later edited out that said spirit............only for you to replace it with another that also says spirit..........spirit being experience......so once again....stamina is where???
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#59  Edited By cascadeking09
@lets_jam: One said spirt, the other said body. What do u think body energy is?
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#60  Edited By lets_jam
@cascadeking09: "the body energy that is in millions of your cells" that sounds like stamina to you? Of course it does...yeah i'm not wasting my time with this. goku stomps have a nice day
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#61  Edited By utotheg38

lol yo guy's are getting serious XD

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#62  Edited By cascadeking09
@lets_jam said:
@cascadeking09: "the body energy that is in millions of your cells" that sounds like stamina to you? Of course it does...yeah i'm not wasting my time with this. goku stomps have a nice day
 In the anime it's translated to say stamina because body energy makes no sense, that's what it means the physical part, but here you are arguing with me about something just to argue. Obviouly ki isn't spiritual energy mixed with body energy. It says "physical energy" in that quote you can argue all day about whether or nor it's stamina, but that isn't what we were originally talking about.  Love how you distracted from my point though.
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#64  Edited By lets_jam
@cascadeking09 said:

@lets_jam said:

@cascadeking09: "the body energy that is in millions of your cells" that sounds like stamina to you? Of course it does...yeah i'm not wasting my time with this. goku stomps have a nice day

 In the anime it's translated to say stamina because body energy makes no sense, that's what it means the physical part, but here you are arguing with me about something just to argue. Obviouly ki isn't spiritual energy mixed with body energy. It says "physical energy" in that quote you can argue all day about whether or nor it's stamina, but that isn't what we were originally talking about.  Love how you distracted from my point though.
 The anime isnt canon..nor do i care what the dubbers and or translators decided to change a word into. Who brought this stamina crap up in the first place? Oh yes you did. Who decided to go and post two scans that didnt show any mention of stamina being apart of chakara without being asked to.....you again. Sounds to me that you're the one trying to argue to argue...which is nothing new for you. You shifted this argument to stamina...not me..the very least you could have done was actually have proof of what you were saying instead of going seee....seeee body energy is clearly talking about stamina....which clearly..it did not. You made a very false claim and were told you were wrong..no one told you to post scans no one told you to keep trying keep this argument going. Every time i try and give you the benefit of the doubt...you make me regret it. I honesty dont know why you like to do this..just waste peoples time arguing to argue...but im over it. I'm officially done with you on these forums after this post.. The point? You had no point..which is a recurring theme for you.  You made a claim about genjutsu and said ki = chakara..too which i responded with if that were true then all it would take to break genjutsu is a higher chakara and or ki level.....and no one in naruto had a higher ki/chakara level than someones as low in the dbz food chain as master roshi..that should have been the end of the discussion...but no. chakara is stamina plus blah blah blah watch me post scans that make no mention of stamina blah blah blah......yeah you're just....we're done cascade. When i see you post in the future i'll act like i dont even see you, and i hope you will do the same.
 
 
Goku stomps have a nice day
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#65  Edited By alcoholbob

Kid Goku was already faster than lightning. No way Naruto can even land a hit, he's barely supersonic.

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#66  Edited By cascadeking09
@lets_jam: Yeah, did I mention that the word stamina wasn't my main point? Yes I did so quit trying to distract from the main point which was ki =/= chakra.
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#67  Edited By lets_jam

"NarutoU is blood lusted they rush him and he either gets trapped in genjutusu" - cascadeking09 
 
"Lol you mind telling me why? Don't bother if it includes characters outside of Naruto don't have chakra. Chakra is just stamina and lifeforce. Genjutsu works on anybody that has eyes and isn't blind." - cascadeking09 

chakra is a combination of stamina and lifeforce ki is life force. Every living person has stamina and live force, I just don't get why anyone would ever argue that genjutsu doesn't work outside of the NarutoU because saying they're the only ones that have chakra is totally ridiculous. - cascadeking09  
 
 
Now after repeatedly comparing ki to chakara and trying to say theyre the same thing..and that genjustusu will work on dbz characters because everyone has chakara/ki...cascade shifts his argument to....  
 
"the main point which was ki =/= chakra" 
 
=/= means does not equal for you math challenged folks out there. 
 
And that is why cascade is in fact a waste of time debating  
 
by the way 
 
"Genjutsu - Genjutsu is created when a ninja extends their chakra flow through the cerebral nervous system of their opponent to control their mind's chakra
 
so now that cascade is saying chakra does not equal ki...even tho he spent many posts saying they were the same thing..he can now stop wasting peoples time with genjutsu this and that because genjutsu effects chakra..and dbz characters dont have chakra because by cascades own words...ki =/= chakra
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#68  Edited By cascadeking09
@lets_jam: Which one of those quotes says that they are the same thing. Maybe you should try reading those again, all they say is that ki is apart of chakra. Nice try though.
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Kid Goku, and this is almost spite.
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#70  Edited By Warcry80

While i'm believing Goku would win in a fight with naruto, I think alot of people are underestimating him if he goes into his Demon Fox levels. 
I was shocked when i saw this vid, but he looks pretty powerful considering he isn't even 9 tails yet. 
 
  

  
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#71  Edited By Static Shock
@cascadeking09: Stop responding to him. The discussion between you two is getting nowhere, and he's just trying bait you. 
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#72  Edited By lets_jam
@Static Shock: yes pointing out the fact that cascade is the one who changed the subject of the topic while he complained about people changing the subject = i'm baiting him 
 
and yes pointing out the fact that cascade spent most of his time in this thread saying ki and chakara are the same and thus moves like genjutsu should work on people outside of the naruto verse...and then suddenly maintaining the fact that he made no such claim even after being quoted 4 times and then suddenly saying oh no chakra doesnt = ki...also means i was baiting him. I mean that totally makes sense it's not like he was in here babbling about a move that specifically effects chakara and nothing else and how it can be used  on people he know claims doesnt have it...oh wait. 
 
But yes pointing out someones inconsistencies, hypocrisy, and false allegations = baiting I'll have to remember that in the future.
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#73  Edited By cascadeking09
@Static Shock said:
@cascadeking09: Stop responding to him. The discussion between you two is getting nowhere, and he's just trying bait you. 
Alright.
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#74  Edited By Static Shock
@lets_jam said:
@Static Shock: yes pointing out the fact that cascade is the one who changed the subject of the topic while he complained about people changing the subject = i'm baiting him  and yes pointing out the fact that cascade spent most of his time in this thread saying ki and chakara are the same and thus moves like genjutsu should work on people outside of the naruto verse...and then suddenly maintaining the fact that he made no such claim even after being quoted 4 times and then suddenly saying oh no chakra doesnt = ki...also means i was baiting him. I mean that totally makes sense it's not like he was in here babbling about a move that specifically effects chakara and nothing else and how it can be used  on people he know claims doesnt have it...oh wait.  But yes pointing out someones inconsistencies, hypocrisy, and false allegations = baiting I'll have to remember that in the future.
Do me a favor and just drop the subject. It's over. 
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#75  Edited By gravitypress

Goku lives for this. He takes this one.

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#76  Edited By ShenLong

Even though in Battlestadium D.O.N. the characters of Dragon Ball, One Piece, and Naruto were duking it out, as well as other crossover games, I'm sure the answer was something along the lines of "Shenron's doing". Seeing as the greatest feat so far in Naruto is Pain destroying a city in one hit, and Naruto, Madara, Sasuke, Kabuto probably, B, 4th Raikage, 5th Mizukage, 1st Hokage, and 2nd Hokage, as well as the Genryu and the Dragon Blade are stronger than Pain but not by more than, say, 10 to no more than 100 times, including Ten Tail, since Jiraiya was considered strong, I would say in terms of power level, the strongest Naruto character has a power level of less than 1, because a full powered Master Roshi with a power level of like 160 destroyed the moon. So in power, no one compares with Dragon Ball.

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#77  Edited By LordStarkiller

Goku as a kid could tank all Naruro characters

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#78  Edited By saiyan_earthling

Goku not only blasts the Narutoverse with Kamehameha. He'll blast this thread to a close.

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#79  Edited By Redmonkeyssj4

Shoot Naruto he's dead, shoot Goku it doesn't tickle, c'mon do the math.

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#80  Edited By Smart_Dork_Dude

Early series Kid Goku? Naruto wins. Later series Kid Goku? GOKU STOMPS HARD!!!

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#81  Edited By 18hunt

Penetrate or kamehame wins for goku here unless kurama interferes.

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#82  Edited By PsychoJack

Goku wins.

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#83  Edited By terry2012

Hard to say.

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#84  Edited By NeonGameWave

Goku should win.

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Goku rage stomps Naruto.

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Goku, he has speed advantage, power advantage, is that season 1 Naruto or season 2 ?

if it's season 1, Goku stomp

if it's season 2 (current Naruto) Goku after a good fight.

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it would be a good try from goku, but naruto can smack son-goku any day, goku doesnt really have a speed advantage if naruto is on demon fox mode, and the demon fox is stronger than son goku, the kamehameha is useless because his kyubbi can absorb it and just make himself stronger.

My point is in the end, naruto wins.

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