Solar and Anti Monitor vs Mandrakk and Original ION

" COIE Anti-Monitor solos "

" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:

" COIE Anti-Monitor solos "

I dont think so... even though the AM is powerful... Mandrakk was able to handle two Spectre level beings... AM seemed to be pushed to his limit with just one...  "

" @King Saturn said:

" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:

" COIE Anti-Monitor solos "

I dont think so... even though the AM is powerful... Mandrakk was able to handle two Spectre level beings... AM seemed to be pushed to his limit with just one...  "

Spectre had to absorb the full power of the DCU's most powerful sorcerors to go toe-to-toe with AM. "

" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:

" COIE Anti-Monitor solos "

I dont think so... even though the AM is powerful... Mandrakk was able to handle two Spectre level beings... AM seemed to be pushed to his limit with just one...  "

" @King Saturn said:

" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:

" COIE Anti-Monitor solos "

I dont think so... even though the AM is powerful... Mandrakk was able to handle two Spectre level beings... AM seemed to be pushed to his limit with just one...  "

That's blown a little out of proportion and had alot to do with plot.  Totally different Spectre than the one the AM took on in COIE, who was totally backed by the Presence, where as it was a different story in FC#7, and that's a far stretch, calling Radiant?? was it, a Spectre level being?   Not saying AM solo's or wins, as I think that's going the opposite way now.  But I will side with Solar and AM, as I think the AM of COIE is >Mandrakk, by feats alone, and Solar and Ion, well, if Solar has any issues, he'll have the AM to back him up in the end. "

" @Push said:

" @King Saturn said:

" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:

" COIE Anti-Monitor solos "

I dont think so... even though the AM is powerful... Mandrakk was able to handle two Spectre level beings... AM seemed to be pushed to his limit with just one...  "

That's blown a little out of proportion and had alot to do with plot.  Totally different Spectre than the one the AM took on in COIE, who was totally backed by the Presence, where as it was a different story in FC#7, and that's a far stretch, calling Radiant?? was it, a Spectre level being?   Not saying AM solo's or wins, as I think that's going the opposite way now.  But I will side with Solar and AM, as I think the AM of COIE is >Mandrakk, by feats alone, and Solar and Ion, well, if Solar has any issues, he'll have the AM to back him up in the end. "

actually its not a stretch at all... Radiant represents the Compassion of God... while The Spectre represents the Wrath of God... essentially they are equal because in full... they represent the entire Will of God ( The Presence ) himself... the feats may not be there... but thats what it is still 
 
and you can use plot all ya want... but sources still note that Mandrakk defeated both The Spectre and Radiant... and was essentially feeding off of there power...  "

" @King Saturn said:

" @Push said:

" @King Saturn said:

" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:

" COIE Anti-Monitor solos "

I dont think so... even though the AM is powerful... Mandrakk was able to handle two Spectre level beings... AM seemed to be pushed to his limit with just one...  "

That's blown a little out of proportion and had alot to do with plot.  Totally different Spectre than the one the AM took on in COIE, who was totally backed by the Presence, where as it was a different story in FC#7, and that's a far stretch, calling Radiant?? was it, a Spectre level being?   Not saying AM solo's or wins, as I think that's going the opposite way now.  But I will side with Solar and AM, as I think the AM of COIE is >Mandrakk, by feats alone, and Solar and Ion, well, if Solar has any issues, he'll have the AM to back him up in the end. "

actually its not a stretch at all... Radiant represents the Compassion of God... while The Spectre represents the Wrath of God... essentially they are equal because in full... they represent the entire Will of God ( The Presence ) himself... the feats may not be there... but thats what it is still 
 
and you can use plot all ya want... but sources still note that Mandrakk defeated both The Spectre and Radiant... and was essentially feeding off of there power...  "

That's exactly what i'm calling it, plot!!  I"d like to see how/where/when it was done, not just a panel of him holding them defeated, that's easyily done, not explaining it, that's the hard part.  And no, doen't mean the Radiant is Spectre's equel just cause she's another side of the will of God! You need to have feats to back you up in comics to put you either at or over someone elses level.  The character needs to be fleshed out before you can compare her to spectre level abilites and power, otherwise your just assuming she can do what you think she can do cause she's another aspect of gods power! "

" Nekron dismissed Spectre like he was a spectre/ghost lol simply cause Nekron didn't have a soul/spirit? Spectre has fought and defeated/destroyed similar beings, yet, he couldn't touch Nekron?? Spectre's a hard one to gauge, for all his power, and is subject to the story and powerfull as he needs to be, so it doesn't really mean as much, depending on what the story is, to say "he's taken out the Spectre"!! Nekron defeated the Spectre, and he didn't even have to lift a finger. "

"Team two. Mandrakk from Superman Beyond can kill Solar and Anti Monitor COIE..... "

"@comicfanforever said:

"Team two. Mandrakk from Superman Beyond can kill Solar and Anti Monitor COIE..... "

Really?? Wow, that's a huge call.  You read any Solar, by any chance? You aware of  what he's capable of?? And Mandrakk's gonna kill both of them? "

The original Mandrakk (from the story Superman Beyond 3D) was devour the entire multiverse DC (Vertigo, DC, ....) Anti Monitor COIE can destroy universes, but the difference is that the Anti Monitor destroy the multiverse from inside.  
 
Mandrakk destroyed the multiverse by out. Mandrakk is greater than the 52 universes of DC comics. Anti Monitor Coie and Solar (together) can defeat Mandrakk from Final Crisis - issue 7. Mandrakk from Superman Beyond 3D (issue 2) will eat the Anti Monitor and Solar.

"I did not get or understand one iota of what you just tried to say??  The original Mandrakk?? Devouring the entire multivers?? Saw nothing of the sort!! "

"that's not even Mandrakk dude!!! That's Rox Ogama lol Mandrakks disciple/servant/brother in arms, whatever you want to call him. "

Could anybody tell me Solar's feats? Is he the one from Valiant?
 
As for AM and Mandrakk, I don't know who'll win unless there is an established premise on who's stronger; the monitors of the 52 or the original monitor of COIE (Is he the primal monitor? I believe not but what do I know) AM is the counterpart of the COIE monitor while Mandrakk is the strongest among the monitors of the 52. Once the premise is given, an easy conclusion will be achieved. So anybody here know who's the stronger?

Solar can move at the speed of light     
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 More later, I Lave no time now....

"@comicfanforever said:

"@The Dude. said:

"that's not even Mandrakk dude!!! That's Rox Ogama lol Mandrakks disciple/servant/brother in arms, whatever you want to call him. "

Both characters have the same powers. The second Mandrakk (Rox Ogama) defeated Spectre and Radiant (without problems).      And The first Mandrakk (the Dark Monitor) (Superman Beyond 3D)>>>>> Mandrakk Rox Ogama    (Final Crisis 7).    "

There's only one Mandrakk, and that's Dax Novu, Rox Ogamna was not Mandrakk, he was a Monitor who was working for  him! "

"@The Dude. said:

"@comicfanforever said:

"@The Dude. said:

"that's not even Mandrakk dude!!! That's Rox Ogama lol Mandrakks disciple/servant/brother in arms, whatever you want to call him. "

Both characters have the same powers. The second Mandrakk (Rox Ogama) defeated Spectre and Radiant (without problems).      And The first Mandrakk (the Dark Monitor) (Superman Beyond 3D)>>>>> Mandrakk Rox Ogama    (Final Crisis 7).    "

There's only one Mandrakk, and that's Dax Novu, Rox Ogamna was not Mandrakk, he was a Monitor who was working for  him! "

Okay....But This is your opinion (I respect that) "

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