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Skill vs. Physicals? It's a Debate that a lot of street level battles have to go through. What's more important? Characters that have high end Skills such as Batman, Lady Shiva, Black Panther. Versus characters with ok amount of Skills but depend a lot on their enhances Physicals such as Deathstroke Or Captain America. Its often said in Batman Vs. Captain America Battles that Batman would win because he is a superior fighter where as other say Cap is just too much physically Superior. Of Course we all know Batman is a better fighter then someone like Deathstroke but because of his enchantments he's too much for Batman. Then there are Battles like Deathstroke and Spider-Man both who have impressive physicals but the ladder isn't as good as a fighter.

So what do you think is more important in Street Level Battles? Skill? Or someone who is less skilled with superior Physical Stats?

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If there is significant stat difference, more specifically higher combat speed, skills can't overcomes it. Slightly superior stats can be overcome by skills though.

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Depends. If the skill gap is wide then more skilled opponent would win most of the time. A kung fu artist who can bench press, say 200lbs would win almost everytime against a brawler who can lift 350lbs. Comic book example- The skill gap between Batman and Captain America is almost same as that between Batman and Deathstroke. But Deathstroke is also tactically superior. And the physicals gap between Bruce and Slade is much wider than that between Bruce and Steve. That's why Brice would have harder time against Slade than he would have against Steve.

Ultimately, skill is more important factor, IMO.

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Skill is only an important factor if it can bridge the gap between stats. For example no matter how skilled in combat a human is he can never hope to hit someone who can cut bullets out of the air for tuh lolz.

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its like you are asking who would win, a man with a black belt or a man who can lift cars

IMO strength is more important

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According to Spider nut huggers, stats over errything :D

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A big enough gap in each can make a difference.

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Skills are not as important but they can make better use of their stats for example spidey's a lot faster than wolverine however wolverines skill combined with decent speed make up for the major speed difference

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#9 frozen  Moderator

According to Spider nut huggers, stats over errything :D

There are no Spider-Man nut-huggers.

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Depends on the magnitude of the gap.

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@frozen said:

@wolverine08 said:

According to Spider nut huggers, stats over errything :D

There are no Spider-Man nut-huggers.

Because everybody is.

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#14  Edited By Cream_God

@leo-343 said:

@jonez120 said:

@frozen said:

@wolverine08 said:

According to Spider nut huggers, stats over errything :D

There are no Spider-Man nut-huggers.

Because everybody is.

True, who doesn't like Spiderman? He's everybodies hero, apart from someone who likes a hairy midget with claws.

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@frozen said:

@wolverine08 said:

According to Spider nut huggers, stats over errything :D

There are no Spider-Man nut-huggers.

YOU SEE! THEY'RE SO ELABORATE IN THEIR NUT HUGGING THAT PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY EXIST!

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As PIS as it is. That made my day.

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@tex_the_slayer:

It is the same that in life :

1) Physical stats

2) Mental / Willpower

3) Skills

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As PIS as it is. That made my day.

That's not PIS. Its consistent with his other feats.

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@rbt:

Well then Karate Kid is a PIS character then :p. Unless he's superhuman would he really be able to keep up with supes. It also looks like Clark was going quite fast. Any human that tried to do that would of got his hand ripped off. Then again I don't see how he was able to counter that speed to begin with.

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@rbt:

Well then Karate Kid is a PIS character then :p. Unless he's superhuman would he really be able to keep up with supes. It also looks like Clark was going quite fast. Any human that tried to do that would of got his hand ripped off. Then again I don't see how he was able to counter that speed to begin with.

He is. Apparently in future knowing Martial Arts can make you superhuman.

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@rbt:

I guess I should start learning Martial Arts now then.

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Skill is important if the gap of Physicality isn't far off.

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Depends on the gap, but in general I take skill over physicals.

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@wolverine08: So Wolverine's adamantuim skeleton and healing factor is suddenly skill now?

2/10. You can do alot better than that.

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@laflux said:

@wolverine08: So Wolverine's adamantuim skeleton and healing factor is suddenly skill now?

2/10. You can do alot better than that.

I generated a response, my work is done :)

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Physical attributes are more important. The ability to lift tons is invaluable to these battles.

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If someone is only only slightly above someone else physically, then skill is more important.

But if they are overwhelmingly stronger and faster, it doesn't matter how skilled you are.

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@strider92: I don't see your point. Moon Knight has sliced bullets in half with his cresent darts and not only is he human- He's a good deal away from the best peak humans out thier.

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@wolverine08: My response wasn't one which indicated any saltiness. Ive got transcripts between you and me which indicate anger and buthurt (on your part) if you need comparison.

Unless your standards are so low that just getting a response is cause for celebration in which case, sure 10/10 :)

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Physicals first Skills second no point in having skill if you can't hurt your opponent.

Both are important in their own way though.

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#31  Edited By Outside_85

If we are talking something vaguely resemling the real world, skill will get a character very far, but at some point the physical characteristics of an opponent will reach a point where skills cease to be effective.
For instance, you can ask someone like Bruce Lee or Chuck Norrison to land their most devastating blow against a steel plate, and all they are going to do it break their own bones.

That said, comicbooks push martial arts to a level where they simply break the rules of physics. As seen above, Karate Kid is for all intents a purposes a normal human with an nth level of martial arts mastery. Even he shouldn't be able to turn Superman from his path. While fair enough that we cant see how fast Superman is going up there, Wally West was running along side him once and mentioned that if Superman tripped, then it would take thousands of miles of tumbling before he stopped due to the immense momentum he had.

And like I said, it is comicbooks, and Martial Artists somehow always end up being more 'cool' than super powerful characters, so a fair bit of fanboyism adds strength to the belief in skill superiority... hence why we get the dreaded: 'Batman can beat anyone!'

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#32  Edited By Dextersinister

@rbt:

That's not PIS. Its consistent with his other feats.

It's PIS or WIS that it's passed off for skill. Karate Kid has superhuman stats, no amount of skill can compnesate for the difference in speed.

Stats trump physicals

Spiderman has a bit of trouble but can beat peak humans who are a lot more skilled than him.

Skill matters when your in the same ballpark, Batman had no hope against Wraith despite being more skilled than Superman but Superman was able to beat Wraith despite being weaker because he was in the same ballpark and was more skilled.

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if the statistical difference is within a reasonable margin..

skill bypasses strength: no matter how strong you are, if you can't hit me you're done for..

strength bypasses skill: no matter how good you are, if you can't dish anything out, I'll tear you down the moment you slip..

Personally there's no difference
acquiring the skills you need to put your physique to good use is just as hard as getting the proper physique to dish out your skills at their best..


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Skill is only an important factor if it can bridge the gap between stats. For example no matter how skilled in combat a human is he can never hope to hit someone who can cut bullets out of the air for tuh lolz.

Agreed.

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If there is significant stat difference, more specifically higher combat speed, skills can't overcomes it. Slightly superior stats can be overcome by skills though.

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Skills are the most important, ask Karate Kid.

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Skill is only an important factor if it can bridge the gap between stats. For example no matter how skilled in combat a human is he can never hope to hit someone who can cut bullets out of the air for tuh lolz.

What if said bullet cutter was only able to do so due to said skills? Elektra for example.

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The answer is Batman.

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a guy that a tank galaxy busting attack or a guy that know karate

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As others said if there is significant stat difference skill becomes non factor. This applies to real life, but in comics to some degree too.

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I think it all depends on the situation. Sometimes the gap in stats is way too wide to be covered by the amount of skills you have, also what exact skills you is also important to know. Being a skilled marksmen wouldn't matter in a h2h fight would it? Sometimes being slightly stronger in Caps case doesn't realy matter against an opponent like Batman imo, who I'm not entirely would take a majority against Cap anyway, because he knows how to utilize his skills against opponents that surpass him in strength. It all depends.

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Also is not to rule out other physical stats outside of strength, like stamina, durability, agility, speed. They might be more skilled as a h2h fighter or whatever else, but if they aren't fast enough to react what does it matter? Or is it possible that they don't need to be fast enough to react because they're durable enough to take anything to dish out, like Darkseid if Im not mistaken isn't faster than Superman but he's durable enough to take what Superman can dish out.

Maybe they're durability wouldn't matter against a more skilled opponent because they know how to attack a person's weak points, they may have a HF or something, but that doesn't matter if they can attack with nerve strikes, pressure points, chi blocking, etc.

Stamina is also important. You may be evenly matched in absolutely every aspect, but if you can outlast them in a physical confrontation then they may not be able to take you. They'd be forced to end it quick or lose.

Also can't forget the different aspects of "skill" if youre a skilled marksmen as I already mentioned, maybe you can use that to your advantage over someone who is physically superior or even someone more skilled in other aspects than you.

Then there's tacticians like Cap, Slade, Batman, etc. If you're able to think as well as you fight, staying ten steps ahead and plan out every move sometimes you can beat your opponent mentally as well as physically. Slade is able to play mind games with his opponent, it's actually how he gets to Cass and Rose often. This works with preperation as well as being a quick thinker on the fly.

I just wanted to expand on what I had to say before. There's so many factors in every fight that have to be considered, location, distance, equipment, what mental state the characters are in. It's not just about skill or stats.

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In my opinion physical stats are more important.

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@frozen said:

@wolverine08 said:

According to Spider nut huggers, stats over errything :D

There are no Spider-Man nut-huggers.

thats whatta nut hugger would say :P

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It basically depends on the difference.

A peak human who is massively skilled isn't defeating a mach 14, class 60 superhuman. The bridge in stats is too big.

Now that same peak human vs a low level superhuman? That's a possible match that can be discussed.

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If there is significant stat difference, more specifically higher combat speed, skills can't overcomes it. Slightly superior stats can be overcome by skills though.

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So WW vs SM? BM vs SM?

On both occasions I see Superman winning.