Sinestro, H'el vs Blue Marvel, Gladiator, Nova

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• DC Characters are Pre/New 52
• Nova is Sam Alexander
• Both teams are morals off, Marvel is bloodlusted
• Gladiator is full confidence and cannot decrease in confidence
• No amps like Parallax
• No time manipulation
• Fight takes place in an asteroid belt
• No BFR
• Please give reasons

H'El BFR's them all to the Sun where he, being sun amped, lays an @$$ whooping.

And what's stopping all of them flying back?

Gladiator is 100x FTL. (He would be back at the asteroid belt in under a nano second).

Blue Marvel is fast enough to keep up with Sentry & create after glow.

And Nova (Sam Alexander) can space jump, he will just teleport right back to the asteroid belt.

@citizensentry: Because that's where they will all be, what reason would they have to leave? They have no knowledge that the Sun amps him. If it comes to it, Sinestro puts them in a pocket dimension.

@citizensentry: @jacthripper: Edited to say no BFR.

Or BM just disintegrates them both with Molecule Manipulation.

@citizensentry: Which he has done when? Moreover, he is most likely unable to even touch H'El, who can move so fast in conjunction with his teleportation that Superman can't follow him. H'El also has TK that has pinned WW, Superman, and Superboy all at the same time, heart crushed Faora, making that move in character, and manipulated Superboy on the genetic level, his DNA. H'El can also arguably oneshot BM like he did to Superman.

Gladiator is a similar story, most put him at Superman level or a bit lower, H'El oneshotted Clark, and that's not even mentioning that H'El can just trick them into fighting each other with illusions, or shrink them. Nova is a non factor, his feats are too few and not good enough.

What is the fastest He'l has gone? Also

Molecular Manipulation>>>>>>>>>>>Genetic Manipulation.

Gladiator will easily keep up with He'l and even out pace him until I get scans of He'l going 100x FTL.

Nova was strong enough to throw Kluh to space while being encased within 100's of miles of steel cables.

Team 2.

@citizensentry:

1. Fast enough that Superman couldn't track him

2. Except, BM won't even see H'El, much less be able to fire a blast

3. H'El has instant teleportation, Earth to Sun, no time

4. Superman pushed a Saturn sized ship with MMH, yet H'El straight up mocked him with his TK effortlessly, Sam is a non factor.

And then I mention that I haven't even brought up Sinestro, who's on par with Hal Jordan. He honestly gives a sure victory to Team 1. I'll CaV the point if you want.

Lol, Gladiator being 100x FTL.

False calculations for an over exaggerated one-time feat.

@nickthedevil: Yep, and he's never used it in combat, he's been beaten by Gambit.

Team 1 with H'el as MVP. I'm not aware of Blue Marvel or Nova having any TP defense.

@jacthripper: its a low showing why bring it up???

If that's the case why do people still bring up 'Oh superman bench pressed the earth for 5 days' over and over and over and over again?

Here Gladiator contains a blast of Nova proportions and then heads to earth at 100x FTL.

When it was stated on panel that he was going 100x FTL?

Thall and H'el

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Team 1

H'el solo. He shrinks down to ant size and squash them like a bug.

@citizensentry: Sinestro is immune to antimatter.

H'El holds them helpless with his TK and Sinestro dissects them.

H'El teleports them in the way of each other's attacks.

H'El fights them physically while confusing them with illusions and straight up wins as his presence concealment+illusions and durability make the rest of them look like children.

Sam is a little of his league here, and won't do much.

Team1 should win here H'el can almost if not completely over whelm them on his own.

H'el solos.

@citizensentry said:

@nickthedevil said:

Lol, Gladiator being 100x FTL.

False calculations for an over exaggeratedone-time feat.

If that's the case why do people still bring up 'Oh superman bench pressed the earth for 5 days' over and over and over and over again?

Here Gladiator contains a blast of Nova proportions and then heads to earth at 100x FTL.

When it was stated on panel that he was going 100x FTL?

@citizensentry does have a point.

it doesnt matter if gladiator was going 100x faster than light, which there is no proof of. It doesnt matter because superman was seen going about 500 times faster than light, in red hood and the outlaws. and H'el was faster than him by a wide margin. H'el solos this. Stronger, faster, and can teleport them away, shrink them, tp them, unravel them at the DNA level with his TK, etc.

Team 1

H'el solos

Sinestro could potentialy solo as he is imune to anti-matter.

Sam Alexander is out of his league

This is a close one, and who takes who is quite crucial here IMO...

I keep forgetting he has that power

@termiteone4ever: It happens.

H'el is a complete monster. He has so many ways to beat his opponents but he doesnt even need them. He's one shot KO'd Superman. He's punched him into outer space. His speed is so superior to Superman that Clark didnt even know if H'el was flying or teleporting! Thats just speed and strength.

A Villain Victory.

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59 Edited by Malevolent1 (1072 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

I think speed kills in any battle forum, particularly if all other things are equal. Seems I saw scans of Lobo moving at FTL speeds and kicking Superman's butt. That's been some time ago, and I've never read the book, therefore I can't validate...but...

I DO know Gladiator is in an elite category of superheroes that can move and think and react while time is frozen:

These scans, from Fantastic Four 339, give the context for the scan below

Many remember this fight...what I missed about it the first time I read it. Because I was geeking out about the fight between Gladiator and Thor, I didn't catch the context the first time around...tech allows Thor and the FF and Iron Man to move around and think and react while time is frozen...Gladiator does it on sheer speed. He is right up there with the Silver Surfer and The Flash (Wally West) in terms of reaction/combat speed. Unless someone can show me scans of Lobo doing the same, I guess I gotta go with Gladiator.

all I know is glads is faster than anyone here by a mile. he was able to move while time was frozen, not move so fast timed appeared to stop but time was at 0 and stayed there on pure speed. bm can create his own photon so no light based weapon will beat him nor a light powered hero.

here is bm creating his own photon a photon that didn't even exist to begin with. meaning the man can literally create light and manipulate it. some may think this is not a great feat bc they don't understand it. lets say sinestro tries to use any of his light based powers bm can literaly create photons that counter them making sinistro light useless against him. he can literally create photons that counter hell yellow sun light and make him just a regular joe. please people go read some comics with this guy in it it wont hurt to learn about him. this is the only man the watchers allowed amongst them and to be god father to uatu son and is raising a baby watcher.

@comicninjax: Nice post, also what issue was that Blue Marvel scan from?

Team 1

@kingant27:

mighty avenger 11 or 12 don't have it in front of me right now.

H'el probably solos. Although BFR was put in place to help the Marvel team, H'el can still use his teleportation powers. So if Blue Marvel makes an attack, H'el can just teleport Gladiator infront of the blast.

Team 1 wins.

@sodamyat: *shows scan of going 100x ftl on pannel*

"No proof of him going 100x ftl"

I needed that laugh, no offense.

Could you crop the part where it says 100 times faster than light and post it please since I said there was no proof and you think its funny.

Please and thank you. I'll be waiting.

EDIT: I see it now. Its only a character statement though. Not that it matters since its travel speed not combat speed.

@sodamyat:

how will he teleport with glads moving while time is frozen? glads has moved while time is frozen using only his speed. not even flash has done that. here are the scans click on them and read.

I think speed kills in any battle forum, particularly if all other things are equal. Seems I saw scans of Lobo moving at FTL speeds and kicking Superman's butt. That's been some time ago, and I've never read the book, therefore I can't validate...but...

I DO know Gladiator is in an elite category of superheroes that can move and think and react while time is frozen:

These scans, from Fantastic Four 339, give the context for the scan below

Many remember this fight...what I missed about it the first time I read it. Because I was geeking out about the fight between Gladiator and Thor, I didn't catch the context the first time around...tech allows Thor and the FF and Iron Man to move around and think and react while time is frozen...Gladiator does it on sheer speed. He is right up there with the Silver Surfer and The Flash (Wally West) in terms of reaction/combat speed. Unless someone can show me scans of Lobo doing the same, I guess I gotta go with Gladiator.

and explain how any light powered hero or light using villain can even stand a chance against a photon creator. do you understand what it means to create new photons? BM creates his own photon on the fly. he can litereally create light if he chooses to to negate all of lanterns light base attacks he can also create photons that can negate other photons like yellow sun light. you guys need to read up on your comics.

Sinestro actually turns things harder for H'el here, he will be easily exploited by Blue Marvel.

@comicninjax: did you really just say that Gladiator is faster than Flash -_-

Team 2 in a good fight.