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#1 Edited by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio


 vs.  
 


Rules 
-Fight takes place in an adamantium room,The room is stadium size.
-Kill,KO,BFR,or Incapacitation FTW 
-No Morals apply 
 
who wins?
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#2 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
Zeus takes it. Skyfather and all that jazz.
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#3 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" Zeus takes it. Skyfather and all that jazz. "
But what can he do?
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#4 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio

Also..didn't Thor stalemate Zues?

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#5 Posted by capall (8278 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
"Zeus takes it. Skyfather and all that jazz. "


btw, whats up with multiple battle threads today Vance?  
 
#6 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" Zeus takes it. Skyfather and all that jazz. "
But what can he do? "
No idea. I'm actually making fun of that, since most people will grant him the win because of his status, and his supposed equality (or near it) to Odin, without mentioning what he can actually do.
 
Also, Odin one-shooting the Surfer during Blood and Thunder is bound to be used, despite the fact that the Surfer is far more powerul now.
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#7 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
@capall said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
"Zeus takes it. Skyfather and all that jazz. "
btw, whats up with multiple battle threads today Vance?    "
I want to know who wins these fights.I don't make very many threads so i'm doing it now.
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#8 Posted by capall (8278 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @capall said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
"Zeus takes it. Skyfather and all that jazz. "
btw, whats up with multiple battle threads today Vance?    "
I want to know who wins these fights.I don't make very many threads so i'm doing it now. "

i know you don't make many threads, i was just curious to what inspired you today is all, lol
#9 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
@capall said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @capall said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
"Zeus takes it. Skyfather and all that jazz. "
btw, whats up with multiple battle threads today Vance?    "
I want to know who wins these fights.I don't make very many threads so i'm doing it now. "
i know you don't make many threads, i was just curious to what inspired you today is all, lol "
I've been meaning to do this for weeks,I jut had so much work to do I couldn't so....ya know.
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#10 Posted by Lance Uppercut (23245 posts) - - Show Bio

He apparently took out a team of Avengers including thor and namor, though I'm not convinced that current surfer couldn't have taken that lineup as well. And it took him over an issue to do it.

#11 Posted by Fresh Prince (4988 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" Also..didn't Thor stalemate Zues? "
There was a time when they fought on for months, but if I remember correctly, Zeus wasn't trying to defeat Thor in that fight.
#12 Posted by CosmicSpiral (5471 posts) - - Show Bio

Kid Zeus would make this a funny battle. 

#13 Posted by Valkaad (2589 posts) - - Show Bio

Zeus hasn't really been shown to do as much as Odin, because he hasn't been in as many books. Kinda like Hercules hasn't been shown nearly as much as Thor. Zeus is supposed to be as powerful as Odin or any of the other skyfathers, but they just haven't shown all the ways he can utilize it. Even the Marvel universe (I know you love when I quote it Vance LOL) says "Zeus possesses vast energy powers...only a small number of the ways in which Zeus can utilize his superhuman abilities are as yet known. I think it's safe to assume that he can accomplish just about any feat Odin can (Even though I like the olympians better, I personally think Odin is slightly more powerful than Zeus). That being said, I would think he could defeat surfer in the same ways Odin could. 

#14 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Uppercut said:
" He apparently took out a team of Avengers including thor and namor, though I'm not convinced that current surfer couldn't have taken that lineup as well. And it took him over an issue to do it. "
@Fresh Prince said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" Also..didn't Thor stalemate Zues? "
There was a time when they fought on for months, but if I remember correctly, Zeus wasn't trying to defeat Thor in that fight. "
Both interesting.
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#15 Posted by SlimJ87D (9389 posts) - - Show Bio

Well Zeus doesn't have many physical feats, not as much as the surfer does. But his power rivals Odin and Dormamu's.
 
Hard call, but Odin didn't feel threatened by SS and Thanos. So maybe Zeus for the win.

#16 Posted by Usual Suspect (206 posts) - - Show Bio
@Valkaad said:
" Zeus hasn't really been shown to do as much as Odin,
#17 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
I also love that Zeus is listed as being weaker than the Surfer (physically), in the handbooks.
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#18 Posted by capall (8278 posts) - - Show Bio
@Valkaad said:
"Zeus hasn't really been shown to do as much as Odin, because he hasn't been in as many books. Kinda like Hercules hasn't been shown nearly as much as Thor. Zeus is supposed to be as powerful as Odin or any of the other skyfathers, but they just haven't shown all the ways he can utilize it. Even the Marvel universe (I know you love when I quote it Vance LOL) says "Zeus possesses vast energy powers...only a small number of the ways in which Zeus can utilize his superhuman abilities are as yet known. I think it's safe to assume that he can accomplish just about any feat Odin can (Even though I like the olympians better, I personally think Odin is slightly more powerful than Zeus). That being said, I would think he could defeat surfer in the same ways Odin could.  "

well put
#19 Posted by Lance Uppercut (23245 posts) - - Show Bio
@SlimJ87D said:
" Well Zeus doesn't have many physical feats, not as much as the surfer does. But his power rivals Odin and Dormamu's.  Hard call, but Odin didn't feel threatened by SS and Thanos. So maybe Zeus for the win. "
That's like saying something like Godslayer has no feats, but it's just as good as the Muramasa blade.
#20 Posted by capall (8278 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
"I also love that Zeus is listed as being weaker than the Surfer (physically), in the handbooks. "
 
serious? how about Odin then, i'm wondering if Marvel really portrays Zeus as a lesser skyfather
#21 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@capall said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
"I also love that Zeus is listed as being weaker than the Surfer (physically), in the handbooks. "
 serious? how about Odin then, i'm wondering if Marvel really portrays Zeus as a lesser skyfather "
Odin, as well.
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#22 Posted by Fresh Prince (4988 posts) - - Show Bio
@capall said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
"I also love that Zeus is listed as being weaker than the Surfer (physically), in the handbooks. "
 serious? how about Odin then, i'm wondering if Marvel really portrays Zeus as a lesser skyfather "
Odin isn't as strong as Thor.
#23 Posted by EmperorVulcan (365 posts) - - Show Bio

Zeus.  Curbhouse.  Slaughterstomp.

#24 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
@EmperorVulcan said:
" Zeus.  Curbhouse.  Slaughterstomp. "
.......
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#25 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
Flawless reasoning.
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#26 Edited by CosmicSpiral (5471 posts) - - Show Bio

Can we get some scans of Zeus using his powers? Contrary to my avatar, I have none. 

#27 Posted by capall (8278 posts) - - Show Bio

oh, i had no idea that marvel's handbook rated surfer's physical stats greater than of Odin or Zeus, altho i'm not really too surprised since it's probably their base level stats i suspect since we do know that they can both augument their physical stats via mystical powers anyways imo
#28 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@capall said:
" oh, i had no idea that marvel's handbook rated surfer's physical stats greater than of Odin or Zeus, altho i'm not really too surprised since it's probably their base level stats i suspect since we do know that they can both augument their physical stats via mystical powers anyways imo "
They can. And the same applies for the Surfer.
 
@CosmicSpiral said:
" Can we get some scans of Zeus using his powers? Contrary to my avatar, I have none.  "

Phantom should have some.
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#29 Posted by SlimJ87D (9389 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Uppercut said:
" @SlimJ87D said:
" Well Zeus doesn't have many physical feats, not as much as the surfer does. But his power rivals Odin and Dormamu's.  Hard call, but Odin didn't feel threatened by SS and Thanos. So maybe Zeus for the win. "
That's like saying something like Godslayer has no feats, but it's just as good as the Muramasa blade. "
This is the way I look at it. You don't have to. Odin from my memory said his powers rivaled that of Zeus himself. Why would he say that if he was much much stronger? Or Much much weaker? Does this not allow us to at least compare what Odin did to SS what Zeus has potential to do to SS?
 
If not, then I don't know what the answer is.
#30 Posted by capall (8278 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_:
well, yes ofc
#31 Posted by SlimJ87D (9389 posts) - - Show Bio
@capall said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
"I also love that Zeus is listed as being weaker than the Surfer (physically), in the handbooks. "
 serious? how about Odin then, i'm wondering if Marvel really portrays Zeus as a lesser skyfather "
But Odin is physically portrayed weaker than Thor too.
 
It's not that, Odin has the ability to use vast amount of magic to strengthen himself. Maybe Zeus has the same. Is Zeus's energy Projectile rated at a 7? Anyone know?
#32 Posted by CosmicSpiral (5471 posts) - - Show Bio

It's unlikely that this battle will be decided by who lands the heaviest blows. Since Surfer primarily utilizes matter and energy manipulation, let's find out what Zeus has performed in those categories. 

#33 Edited by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@SlimJ87D said:

" @Lance Uppercut said:

" @SlimJ87D said:
" Well Zeus doesn't have many physical feats, not as much as the surfer does. But his power rivals Odin and Dormamu's.  Hard call, but Odin didn't feel threatened by SS and Thanos. So maybe Zeus for the win. "
That's like saying something like Godslayer has no feats, but it's just as good as the Muramasa blade. "
This is the way I look at it. You don't have to. Odin from my memory said his powers rivaled that of Zeus himself. Why would he say that if he was much much stronger? Or Much much weaker? Does this not allow us to at least compare what Odin did to SS what Zeus has potential to do to SS?  If not, then I don't know what the answer is. "
Many people in comics (and otherwise) claim things that, from a logical point of view, do not stand. Spider-man saying he can kill the Hulk. Reed Richards claiming Spider-man is his intellectual equal. Iron Man saying he has never beat Namor, or Hulk, while he has defeated both. Iron Man also saying it would require Ms. Marvel, Sentry, Wonder Man, and himself to defeat Ares, when various people there should be able to defeat him all on their own. 
 
It's highly probable that Zeus is Odin's equal, or rivals his power. But Odin saying it does not necessarily make it so.
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#34 Posted by SlimJ87D (9389 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @SlimJ87D said:

" @Lance Uppercut said:

" @SlimJ87D said:
" Well Zeus doesn't have many physical feats, not as much as the surfer does. But his power rivals Odin and Dormamu's.  Hard call, but Odin didn't feel threatened by SS and Thanos. So maybe Zeus for the win. "
That's like saying something like Godslayer has no feats, but it's just as good as the Muramasa blade. "
This is the way I look at it. You don't have to. Odin from my memory said his powers rivaled that of Zeus himself. Why would he say that if he was much much stronger? Or Much much weaker? Does this not allow us to at least compare what Odin did to SS what Zeus has potential to do to SS?  If not, then I don't know what the answer is. "
Many people in comics (and otherwise) claim things that, from a logical point of view, do not stand. Spider-man saying he can kill the Hulk. Reed Richards claiming Spider-man is his intellectual equal. Iron Man saying he has never beat Namor, or Hulk, while he has defeated both. Iron Man also saying it would require Ms. Marvel, Sentry, Wonder Man, and himself to defeat Ares, when various people there should be able to defeat him all on their own. 
 
It's highly probable that Zeus is Odin's equal, or rivals his power. But Odin saying it does not necessarily make it so.
"
Well I thought if someone said "I am stronger" you can't take that at face value. But if someone is willing to admit being someones equal, I don't think Odin was trying to defend how strong Zeus is, like he is his buddy or something. He wasn't accusing Zeus of being weaker than him know what I mean?
 
But I'm applying too much on the honor system in real life. Comic books and the way writers write them don't apply to my logic I guess.
#35 Posted by Fresh Prince (4988 posts) - - Show Bio
@CosmicSpiral said:

" Can we get some scans of Zeus using his powers? Contrary to my avatar, I have none.  "

I'll post his fight with Thor in a bit. Those are the only scans I have though.
#36 Posted by CosmicSpiral (5471 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @SlimJ87D said:

" @Lance Uppercut said:

" @SlimJ87D said:
" Well Zeus doesn't have many physical feats, not as much as the surfer does. But his power rivals Odin and Dormamu's.  Hard call, but Odin didn't feel threatened by SS and Thanos. So maybe Zeus for the win. "
That's like saying something like Godslayer has no feats, but it's just as good as the Muramasa blade. "
This is the way I look at it. You don't have to. Odin from my memory said his powers rivaled that of Zeus himself. Why would he say that if he was much much stronger? Or Much much weaker? Does this not allow us to at least compare what Odin did to SS what Zeus has potential to do to SS?  If not, then I don't know what the answer is. "
Many people in comics (and otherwise) claim things that, from a logical point of view, do not stand. Spider-man saying he can kill the Hulk. Reed Richards claiming Spider-man is his intellectual equal. Iron Man saying he has never beat Namor, or Hulk, while he has defeated both. Iron Man also saying it would require Ms. Marvel, Sentry, Wonder Man, and himself to defeat Ares, when various people there should be able to defeat him all on their own. 
 
It's highly probable that Zeus is Odin's equal, or rivals his power. But Odin saying it does not necessarily make it so.
"
That is rich.
#37 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@SlimJ87D said:

" Well I thought if someone said "I am stronger" you can't take that at face value. But if someone is willing to admit being someones equal, I don't think Odin was trying to defend how strong Zeus is, like he is his buddy or something.  "

That's the thing. Several of the things I mentioned were not done to impress, or praise. Iron Man for instance, was actually thinking - not talking to someone about it - that he hasn't defeated either one of the characters I named - no point in lying to himself.
 

 But I'm applying too much on the honor system in real life. Comic books and the way writers write them don't apply to my logic I guess.

It happens.
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#38 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@CosmicSpiral said:
" That is rich. "
He has actually defeated Hulk, via PIS, too.
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#39 Posted by capall (8278 posts) - - Show Bio
@SlimJ87D said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @SlimJ87D said:   But I'm applying too much on the honor system in real life. Comic books and the way writers write them don't apply to my logic I guess. "


yes sir, but we all do this from time to time, at least i do as well, lol
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#41 Posted by SlimJ87D (9389 posts) - - Show Bio

Well how about this.
 
Do you guys agree that Odin > SS? If so then by how much? If not, then by how much in reverse?
 
Now we need to estimate Odin's strength to Zeus's.

#42 Posted by Neon_Nemesis (2170 posts) - - Show Bio

Thank god its not another God of War thread

#43 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Fresh Prince said:
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Good, and interesting fight, on several levels.
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#44 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Neon_Nemesis said:
" Thank god its not another God of War thread "
LOL.
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#45 Posted by jacobyLIVE (1828 posts) - - Show Bio
@CosmicSpiral said:
" Kid Zeus would make this a funny battle.  "
"I'm a Skyfather. Which is awesome"
#46 Posted by Neon_Nemesis (2170 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @Neon_Nemesis said:
" Thank god its not another God of War thread "
LOL. "
Seriously, it's a really good game but the fan wanking has gone too far
#47 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Neon_Nemesis said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @Neon_Nemesis said:
" Thank god its not another God of War thread "
LOL. "
Seriously, it's a really good game but the fan wanking has gone too far "
I remember several recent threads.
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#48 Posted by SlimJ87D (9389 posts) - - Show Bio
@Fresh Prince said:
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Hm, it seemed Zeus has enough magic skills to overpower the enchantment in Thors hammer according to these scans. But I didn't get to read it word for word... Have to attend an evening class in a bit :(
 
Hope you guys figure it all out.
#49 Posted by Neon_Nemesis (2170 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @Neon_Nemesis said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @Neon_Nemesis said:
" Thank god its not another God of War thread "
LOL. "
Seriously, it's a really good game but the fan wanking has gone too far "
I remember several recent threads. "
Yeha with most of them being made by Dark Zoom and Colossus
#50 Posted by CosmicSpiral (5471 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @CosmicSpiral said:
" That is rich. "
He has actually defeated Hulk, via PIS, too. "
Looks like one victory went to Pete's head. XD