Silver Surfer VS Mangog

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Weirdly, they've fought before:

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Non Canon.

Really? How so?

Alternate Universe.

@jeanroygrant said:

All the people you named are more powerful than Thor, and are powerful.

And i never said they were weaker, what i am however asking it, has anti-force blast actually knocked out anyone in a fight? Has it destroyed a planet or perhaps a city?

Because if it hasnt done either, we cannot simply say its a very powerful attack since it has no actual feat.

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Really? How so?

The fight took place in Marvel Fanfair issue no 51 and the issue was called "The Believer", and the battle takes place on nightmare's realm therefore its not 616 universe. That being said its not alternate version of Mangog or alternate version of Silver Surfer, its just their battle in a different reality, people still consider it non-cannon.

Also note that , its written by a credible writer Allen Milgrom so despite this being a non-cannon affair the fight should still be given proper consideration.

@Killemall said:

@jeanroygrant said:

All the people you named are more powerful than Thor, and are powerful.

And i never said they were weaker, what i am however asking it, has anti-force blast actually knocked out anyone in a fight? Has it destroyed a planet or perhaps a city?

Because if it hasnt done either, we cannot simply say its a very powerful attack since it has no actual feat.

My thoughts exactly, lol. I remember when I first read Thor v2 he was using the anti-force blast against several opponents like Perrikus and that Thanosi. It never knocked out or really did much, so I was wondering why he kept using it if it never helped him in a fight.

@CitizenBane: Maybe it only works in specific scenarios or against particular enemies?

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Killemall said:

@jeanroygrant said:

He stomped Thor easy, and survived a blast from Thor called Anti-Blast. ( Thor shot it from inside Mangog, which made it a even more better durabiltiy feat ) Which is as strong as a star.

Has anyone been KOed or killed by the Anti-matter blast. He used it against Mangog nth happened when he used the anti-matter blast from the inside he was knocked out, he used it against Perrikus he did not even move an inch and showed no sign of pain, he used it against the Destroyer which did not even slow him down. Thats the only 4 instance i know of, has it ever KOed anyone powerful?

According to Rigellan's Recorder-robot fully power Anti-Matter/Force blast (its right description is "anti-force blast of anti-matter" IIRC) is powerfull enough to destroy planets and was used on Thanos just before second fight with Mangog that I've shown. Until Mangog defeated Thor, Thanos was at least stunned.

Makes it even better. Classic Mangogcould beat Thor with ease, while Current Mangog got one-shotted by Current Thor.

@jeanroygrant said:

All the people you named are more powerful than Thor, and are powerful.

And i never said they were weaker, what i am however asking it, has anti-force blast actually knocked out anyone in a fight? Has it destroyed a planet or perhaps a city?

Because if it hasnt done either, we cannot simply say its a very powerful attack since it has no actual feat.

Im just wondering how long SS's endurance will hold out, cos im pretty sure mangog has a bigger than 1m reach, so will immediately engage in H2H which I don't see SS winning.

@The_Thunderer: I disagree, Mangog won't, that idea is just silly

how?

@The_Thunderer: Because Mangog understands the art of battle, just like how he destroyed Thor all those countless times

@czarny_samael666 said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Killemall said:

@jeanroygrant said:

He stomped Thor easy, and survived a blast from Thor called Anti-Blast. ( Thor shot it from inside Mangog, which made it a even more better durabiltiy feat ) Which is as strong as a star.

Has anyone been KOed or killed by the Anti-matter blast. He used it against Mangog nth happened when he used the anti-matter blast from the inside he was knocked out, he used it against Perrikus he did not even move an inch and showed no sign of pain, he used it against the Destroyer which did not even slow him down. Thats the only 4 instance i know of, has it ever KOed anyone powerful?

According to Rigellan's Recorder-robot fully power Anti-Matter/Force blast (its right description is "anti-force blast of anti-matter" IIRC) is powerfull enough to destroy planets and was used on Thanos just before second fight with Mangog that I've shown. Until Mangog defeated Thor, Thanos was at least stunned.

Makes it even better. Classic Mangogcould beat Thor with ease, while Current Mangog got one-shotted by Current Thor.

When? In their last encounter, Thor had to BFR him.

@Killemall said:

@jeanroygrant said:

All the people you named are more powerful than Thor, and are powerful.

And i never said they were weaker, what i am however asking it, has anti-force blast actually knocked out anyone in a fight? Has it destroyed a planet or perhaps a city?

Because if it hasnt done either, we cannot simply say its a very powerful attack since it has no actual feat.

Have You seen my scan?

Do you have the scans of Thor BFR'ing Mangog?

@jeanroygrant: I don't

@troller said:

@jeanroygrant: I don't

I, see.

@jeanroygrant: But do you understand?

Mangog will not let SS fly off as easily as some people appear to think particularly as they start 1m apart!

@troller said:

@jeanroygrant: But do you understand?

Yes.

@The_Thunderer said:

Mangog will not let SS fly off as easily as some people appear to think particularly as they start 1m apart!

Mangog is too slow.

Im pretty sure SS's reaction speeds and flight times combined ARE NOT quicker than the time it would take mangog to throw a punch.

@The_Thunderer: Then you are mislead

@troller: give me a scan

@The_Thunderer: Thou shalt not ordereth me

@The_Thunderer said:

Im pretty sure SS's reaction speeds and flight times combined ARE NOT quicker than the time it would take mangog to throw a punch.

I have seen silver surfer dodge asteriod in his volume 2 while he has said to be going FLT, how much faster wasnt ever mentioned. Does that help??

Also its unlikely Mangog can one shot Silver Surfer, he's pretty durable himself.

@Killemall: Mangog is strong

@czarny_samael666 said:

Have You seen my scan?

Yes i did and did not find anything to showcase anti-force blast is very powerful, am i missing something? It stunned Mangog (not thanos) and i dont think that's a showcase to show someone's power. Kyle has stunned Parallax with a single blast i dont think thats enough to prove his attacks are massively powerful. Using that logic since Parallax >>>> Mangog, Kyles blast would be >>>> Anti-Force blast.

@troller said:

@Killemall: Mangog is strong

And when did i say he isnt. I am saying he isnt strong enough to one shot silver surfer. Besides, if Silver Surfer really wanted we know he can go intangible, how's mangog going to do anything?

Silver Surfer could simply go intangible, fly far away, and keep hitting Mangog with planet busting attacks (which SS has done in one occasions), i dont see Mangog tanking more than 3.

@Killemall: I see him tanking more....

Mangong.

I.A.T.

@Petey_is_Spidey: Nope

@troller: Go away under your bridge!!!!

I.A.T.

@Petey_is_Spidey: You are feeding me now.

YUM YUM YUM

SS disintegrates him. Matter manipulation would win this for Surfer quickly.

@stonerthps: No it wouldn't

@troller said:

@Killemall: I see him tanking more....

Even if it takes like 100 shots, its not like Mangog has any way of reaching silver surfer once he gets to fly away.

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

Mangong.

I.A.T.

how? i am just curious.

@stonerthps said:

SS disintegrates him. Matter manipulation would win this for Surfer quickly.

With normal morals i personally dont see SS using Mater Manipulation to win, to be honest i dont remember the last time he used matter manipulation on a living person, the closest i have seen is him using it to convert Eradicator's weapons into bubble guns.

@Killemall: Surfer is too weak

@czarny_samael666 said:

Have You seen my scan?

Yes i did and did not find anything to showcase anti-force blast is very powerful, am i missing something? It stunned Mangog (not thanos) and i dont think that's a showcase to show someone's power. Kyle has stunned Parallax with a single blast i dont think thats enough to prove his attacks are massively powerful. Using that logic since Parallax >>>> Mangog, Kyles blast would be >>>> Anti-Force blast.

@czarny_samael666 said:

Are we talking about the same scan? I am talking about one in which Thor used it directly on Thanos and Recorder is saying that it was attack powerfull enough rip planet apart.

No we are talking about 2 different instance it seems, do you have the scan because its not there with the scans you posted earlier in the thread.

@troller said:

@Killemall: Surfer is too weak

No he isnt

mangog can keep him on the moon and beat him down and just throw his board away...

@The_Thunderer said:

mangog can keep him on the moon and beat him down and just throw his board away...

THIS IS WHERE ITS AT

@czarny_samael666 said:

Are we talking about the same scan? I am talking about one in which Thor used it directly on Thanos and Recorder is saying that it was attack powerfull enough rip planet apart.

No we are talking about 2 different instance it seems, do you have the scan because its not there with the scans you posted earlier in the thread.

Thor is overrated@czarny_samael666:

@czarny_samael666 said:

"The furious onslaugh of surging energy and the strom seem capable of tearing the entire planet apart. Conclusion: Even Thanos could not have survived."

Dont know how to take that scan seriously, given the fact that Thor always has problem even being able to hurt Thanos, we are to assume Thanos cant survive an anti-force blast?? crazy.. And Mangog easily survives it, thats very inconsistent.

@Killemall: such are the comics of the thunderer

@The_Thunderer: That is one of the many reasons I hate Thor

Does Mangog's magical/mystical nature protect him from Norrin's transmutation powers? Being molecularly rearranged? Honestly, I don't know the answer to that question.

In a straight up physical contest, I'm not so sure even a post Annihilation Surfer can trade blows with Mangog for too long. On the other hand, how many planet busting blasts of the power cosmic can Mangog take before he gets knocked unconscious or destroyed altogether.

Tough fight to call.

Silver Age Mangog, from what I've heard, was defeated when Odin freed the beings. By the accounts I read on other boards, he turned Asgardians into dogs and rivaled the Allfather.

Jurgens' version might lose to Surfer. I don't know.

i think it@Malevolent1: @The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: s dependant on whether surfer can escape a H2H brawl, because i don't think he'll stand a chance of surviving for very long if mangog starts hitting him.

Silver Age Mangog, from what I've heard, was defeated when Odin freed the beings. By the accounts I read on other boards, he turned Asgardians into dogs and rivaled the Allfather.

Jurgens' version might lose to Surfer. I don't know.

@czarny_samael666 said:

"The furious onslaugh of surging energy and the strom seem capable of tearing the entire planet apart. Conclusion: Even Thanos could not have survived."

Dont know how to take that scan seriously, given the fact that Thor always has problem even being able to hurt Thanos, we are to assume Thanos cant survive an anti-force blast?? crazy.. And Mangog easily survives it, thats very inconsistent.

@czarny_samael666: i would say mangog cos he spars with the all father frequently who has huge amounts of power so he would get better at enduring it..

@czarny_samael666: i would say mangog cos he spars with the all father frequently who has huge amounts of power so he would get better at enduring it..