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#51  Edited By Killemall

@stonerthps: Dont buy into whatKemaloz_8is saying , of the scans he has posted are out of context. the scan of nova blitzting surfer is from Annihilation where guess what, surfer stomped him.

The second scan of Thanos killing Surfer is genuine (Cosmic Powers Unlimited 01) but there is a heavy context involved. Surfer when to Thanos to ask for help because he was being haunted by Lady death who wanted him as her escort, and while Thanos says he is going to help surfer, takes him to his chamber and beat Surfer to death, the fact that surfer was not expecting it accounts for a lot.

Marvel Two In One Annual 02, where Thor hits Thanos once , glad to see you found the next scan has a very heavy context involved as well.

the other issue which says Thanos must die is from Infinity Gauntlet Saga, where Thanos was playing around with heroes, something that never happened in a fight. You really think Thor was capable of beating Thanos with infinity Gauntlet?

@Dextersinister said:

@blackadamFTW: You won't see any, current Surfer would lose badly to pre and post 52 Helspont.

Maybe i can help. Lets look at some of Surfers reaction feats.

The first one of course is Speed. Silver surfer has shown nanosecond reaction in two seperate occasions

Nanosecond reaction time - occasion 1 (sorry dont know the issue number)

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Nanosecond reaction time 2 (Silver Surfer Volume 3, 143)

Silver Surfer also showed he can move and react faster than 3 times the speed of light. (Guarding of the Galaxy 60)

Blitzing Midnight Sun at light speed - Rune and Silver Surfer Issue 01

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Dodging metores while travelling on cosmos, arguable travelling at FLT (Fantastic Four 48)

Dodging everything fire at him by US military (Silver Surfer Volume 3, 123)

There are countless others.

the thing is, when you look for quantifiable reaction feat he only has 2 counts of nanosecond reaction time, and one count of reacting faster than 3 times the speed of light. Rest are all scans that shows his fast reflexes not necessarily quantifiable.

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#52  Edited By cortadew
@Geuosup said:

@King Saturn said:

@Geuosup said:

Thor didn't have Warrior Madness when he fought Thanos, Odin confirmed it. He wasn't even tapping into the power gem fully either, and guess what? Thanos ran away from him when he had it.

Thor = Thanos. I just showed 2 instances of Thor taking it to Thanos, in fact Thor dominated Thanos in both fights.

So actually

Helspont>>Thor>>Thanos>>Surfer.

@King Saturn: That was years before Majestic's powers in his own series was established. Once Wildstorm become part of the DC multiverse, Majestic beat the crap out of Eradicator who's Superman with energy and matter manipulation.

ah excuses...
I was hoping you would see the problem with the ABC logic you are applying here...

Not really,Surfer had been established in the 90's when he was beaten to death by Thanos. Surfer does not have fast operational speed, it's actually pretty slow compared to other characters. People seem to think Surfer had some massive upgrade post annhilation but the majority of the feats people use for him are from decades ago.

you are retarded
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#53  Edited By Heimporiaz

The Surfer will lose his life in this fight. I'm sorry Surfer fanboys but its true :(

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@Kemaloz_8 said:

The reason why random characters can hit Surfer is because Surfer is slow in combat. Surfer can think at nanosecond speeds, he can't react and fight at those speeds. He can fly at light speeds, he can't fight at those speeds.

In one scan he's flying in a circule, big deal. In another scan he's thinking at nanosecond speeds, again big deal.

Nova has blitzed Surfer

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This will be Surfers fate should he show poor enough judgement to face Helspont instead of running for the hills

This

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#55  Edited By Simon_the_digger

Helspont,enough with the Surfer threads already....

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#56  Edited By Omniscience

@stonerthps said:

SS wins this EFFORTLESS CURBSTOMP!!!

For once, no more needs to be said.

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#57  Edited By jobbernos

helspont with no effort.

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#58  Edited By ghostrider2

Why do i see Thor>SS?Morals on maybe, morals off SS kills Thor, man this is stupid.And SS for the win.

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#59  Edited By Funcake

@Kemaloz_8 said:

The reason why random characters can hit Surfer is because Surfer is slow in combat. Surfer can think at nanosecond speeds, he can't react and fight at those speeds. He can fly at light speeds, he can't fight at those speeds.

In one scan he's flying in a circule, big deal. In another scan he's thinking at nanosecond speeds, again big deal.

Nova has blitzed Surfer

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This will be Surfers fate should he show poor enough judgement to face Helspont instead of running for the hills

This! In charackter SS would lose.

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#61  Edited By Funcake

@Killemall said:

@stonerthps: Dont buy into whatKemaloz_8is saying , of the scans he has posted are out of context. the scan of nova blitzting surfer is from Annihilation where guess what, surfer stomped him.

The second scan of Thanos killing Surfer is genuine (Cosmic Powers Unlimited 01) but there is a heavy context involved. Surfer when to Thanos to ask for help because he was being haunted by Lady death who wanted him as her escort, and while Thanos says he is going to help surfer, takes him to his chamber and beat Surfer to death, the fact that surfer was not expecting it accounts for a lot.

Marvel Two In One Annual 02, where Thor hits Thanos once , glad to see you found the next scan has a very heavy context involved as well.

the other issue which says Thanos must die is from Infinity Gauntlet Saga, where Thanos was playing around with heroes, something that never happened in a fight. You really think Thor was capable of beating Thanos with infinity Gauntlet?

@Dextersinister said:

@blackadamFTW: You won't see any, current Surfer would lose badly to pre and post 52 Helspont.

Maybe i can help. Lets look at some of Surfers reaction feats.

The first one of course is Speed. Silver surfer has shown nanosecond reaction in two seperate occasions

Nanosecond reaction time - occasion 1 (sorry dont know the issue number)

No Caption Provided

Nanosecond reaction time 2 (Silver Surfer Volume 3, 143)

Silver Surfer also showed he can move and react faster than 3 times the speed of light. (Guarding of the Galaxy 60)

Blitzing Midnight Sun at light speed - Rune and Silver Surfer Issue 01

No Caption Provided

Dodging metores while travelling on cosmos, arguable travelling at FLT (Fantastic Four 48)

Dodging everything fire at him by US military (Silver Surfer Volume 3, 123)

There are countless others.

the thing is, when you look for quantifiable reaction feat he only has 2 counts of nanosecond reaction time, and one count of reacting faster than 3 times the speed of light. Rest are all scans that shows his fast reflexes not necessarily quantifiable.

The first scan starts with a huge BS ergo I couldn´t take the rest realy seriously. Second one is travel speed (straight line wich, does not be valid for supermans nanosec. feat also). Charackters which are able to travel the space at FTL does not automaticly poses combat FTL reaction/operation. Superman travels also via FTL in the space and a lot of people claims that he does not poses FTL combat operation. Third is also just flying around (random dodging) a opponent, not realy a reaction feat. Last scan: to dodge military prejectiles etc isn´t something realy impressive as an speedster.

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#62  Edited By Killemall

@Funcake said:

The first scan starts with a huge BS ergo I couldn´t take the rest realy seriously.

Neither do i understand why you would think its a BS , nor do i understand why what or how you interpret the scenario changes the validity of the feat. I certainly dont think thats a good argument at all.

Second one is travel speed (straight line wich, does not be valid for supermans nanosec. feat also). Charackters which are able to travel the space at FTL does not automaticly poses combat FTL reaction/operation.

Quite the contrary , what actually happening in the instance is Surfer understand he has to do something in a very small time frame, i.e. nanosecond. Then he by virtue of doing, and accompaning that, escaping the new universe, shows he thought, and operated at such Speed. To me it looks clear that it shows Surfer operating at nanosecond.

Superman travels also via FTL in the space and a lot of people claims that he does not poses FTL combat operation.

Thirdly, this is one thing i disagree. Firstly just because Superman can fly at FTL doesnt mean he can fight at FLT. That is because travel speed, which does not incompass reacting at such interval, i.e. Surfer going 100/ 1000 times FTL using hyperspace, doesnt show he can operate at those speed. Superman has a quantifiable nanosecond reaction time and i for one think he can operate at such speed. Fighting at faster than light is a little different, you would require to use your arms and limbs at that speed, which for both Superman and Surfer is hard to find.

Third is also just flying around (random dodging) a opponent, not realy a reaction feat. Last scan: to dodge military prejectiles etc isn´t something realy impressive as an speedster.

Those scans were posted because people where claiming Surfer has absolutely no reaction feat. So while you are correct, arent the most impressive feat, does show few random reaction feat from Surfer.

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#63  Edited By NeonGameWave

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#64  Edited By Funcake
@Killemall said: 

Neither do i understand why you would think its a BS , nor do i understand why what or how you interpret the scenario changes the validity of the feat. I certainly dont think thats a good argument at all.

Than maybe you must read the hole scan again from the beginning. The autor use terms in this scan seems to have not any clue about them just because only that they sounds "cool". Believe what you want but for me is t not enough. 
 
@Killemall said: 

Quite the contrary , what actually happening in the instance is Surfer understand he has to do something in a very small time frame, i.e. nanosecond. Then he by virtue of doing, and accompaning that, escaping the new universe, shows he thought, and operated at such Speed. To me it looks clear that it shows Surfer operating at nanosecond.

Still no combat speed.  
 
@Killemall said: 

Thirdly, this is one thing i disagree. Firstly just because Superman can fly at FTL doesnt mean he can fight at FLT. That is because travel speed, which does not incompass reacting at such interval, i.e. Surfer going 100/ 1000 times FTL using hyperspace, doesnt show he can operate at those speed. Superman has a quantifiable nanosecond reaction time and i for one think he can operate at such speed. Fighting at faster than light is a little different, you would require to use your arms and limbs at that speed, which for both Superman and Surfer is hard to find.

Just because you said: "Dodging metores while travelling on cosmos, arguable travelling at FLT (Fantastic Four 48)"  
 and aspecialy Supes showed that he can move his limbs so fast that he can vibrate thru Doomsdays fists and heat breath something I never saw by Surfer in a combat situation. I give SS the credit that he is incredibly fast but not in h2h combat or close combat and in charackter not at all. 
 
Edit: Marry X-Mas @ all!
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#65  Edited By AssertingValor

SS should be able to handle him, but I'm not to knowledgeable of Helspont as I am SS

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#66  Edited By Killemall

@Funcake said:

Than maybe you must read the hole scan again from the beginning. The autor use terms in this scan seems to have not any clue about them just because only that they sounds "cool". Believe what you want but for me is t not enough.

Not only have i read the whole scan i have read the whole issue. Also saying something that is expressely on panel as "not enough for me, believe what you will" is not an argument sorry. Like it or not, a clear, on panel evidence is > your personal opinion, thats just how it always has been mate.

Still no combat speed.

So is it any different from Superman's nanosecond reaction time. Also that was meant to be more of an "operating speed" and i for one dont understand why you are evaluating the feats as if you have a hidden agenda against Surfer.

Just because you said: "Dodging metores while travelling on cosmos, arguable travelling at FLT (Fantastic Four 48)" and aspecialy Supes showed that he can move his limbs so fast that he can vibrate thru Doomsdays fists and heat breath something I never saw by Surfer in a combat situation. I give SS the credit that he is incredibly fast but not in h2h combat or close combat and in charackter not at all. Edit: Marry X-Mas @ all!

Would you mind showing me where i have talked anything about H2H? Not only is none of the feat related to hand in hand combat, Surfer very very very rarely uses H2H combat speed to being with.

It shows his ability to physically react to light speed attack as he can think and move. It doesnt show, nor should it even show, that he can say throw a 1000 punches at a time.

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#67  Edited By Funcake
@Killemall said:


Not only have i read the whole scan i have read the whole issue. Also saying something that is expressely on panel as "not enough for me, believe what you will" is not an argument sorry. Like it or not, a clear, on panel evidence is > your personal opinion, thats just how it always has been mate.

My point is if hyperbole counts as a feat. If someone use terms without any knowlegde about the meaning it is still a feat? 
 
@Killemall said: 

So is it any different from Superman's nanosecond reaction time. Also that was meant to be more of an "operating speed" and i for one dont understand why you are evaluating the feats as if you have a hidden agenda against Surfer.

I´m only trying to inform my self because I have no time to reread every comic. And from what I´ve seen on my own eyes until now that people overstate Surfers abilities (in combat) by a bit.  
 
@Killemall said: 

Would you mind showing me where i have talked anything about H2H?

I apologise about it. 
 
@Killemall said: 

It shows his ability to physically react to light speed attack as he can think and move. It doesnt show, nor should it even show, that he can say throw a 1000 punches at a time.


 Sorry I´ve missed where the exactly speed rate was stated.
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#69  Edited By OOCMikey

Current Helspont would lose.

Pre-52 Helspont would probably win.

Both would stomp SS

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Still Surfer.

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Helspont,enough with the Surfer threads already....

The Surfer will lose his life in this fight. I'm sorry Surfer fanboys but its true :(

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@oocmikey said:
@nefarious said:

Current Helspont would lose.

Pre-52 Helspont would probably win.

Both would stomp SS

I don't know if Hel can stomp SS.

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@oocmikey said:
@nefarious said:

Current Helspont would lose.

Pre-52 Helspont would probably win.

Both would stomp SS

I don't know if Hel can stomp SS.

Don't worry, I know it. :P

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Hellspot STOMP Silver Surfer after a lengthy battle, only winning by possession which Norrin doesn't have any defenses against!

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I don't know about Helspont beating Silver Surfer... the reason he handles Majestic is because Majestic is more modeled after an Advanced Superman type character... whereas the Silver Surfer is a Cosmic Energy Manipulator... the Energy Manipulation powers of Silver Surfer might prove to be problematic for Helspont assuming Helspont can not get inside for attacks on the Power Cosmic Wielder.

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