Team stomps. Silver Surfer is kind of overrated, Black Adam would give him a lot of trouble alone, together they stomp.
That is nice but no, he is not overrated or underrated, i would really like an explanation.If he beats the shit out of Supes and he isnt even trying how come is stomped by those two?Silver Surfer wins.
@Stronger: well he never fight at full strength.Do you read SS?I only ask because i get the feeling you dont know what is capable of.He can easily drain Superman
@Stronger: well he never fight at full strength.Do you read SS?I only ask because i get the feeling you dont know what is capable of.He can easily drain Superman
That's not great logic, if he has never fought at full strength then how do you know he can fight any better?
At least list powers he could use in combat that he normally wouldn't, saying he could drain Superman is speculative.
@Dextersinister: No is not, how about matter manipulation then?Or telepathy?So many powers at his disposal.But draining him is best.And he doesnt fight at full strength because he doesnt want to kill.
@GhostRider2: I don't read any Silver Surfer.I 've only read Silver Surfer Requim and some of his features in other comics,such as Thor and Fantastic Four.
I don't see how bloodlust is going to change things.
@Dextersinister: No is not, how about matter manipulation then?Or telepathy?So many powers at his disposal.But draining him is best.And he doesnt fight at full strength because he doesnt want to kill.
You can only depend on what a characters done or some clear benchmark we are aware of, saying that he has unseen potential isn't good enough I'm sure he's fought with everything a few times even Superman's cut loose.
He does have matter manipulation he can use on living organisms so he could transform BA into what ever. The Cyborg might be a little harder, but again, Surfer could blast him to less than nothing.
BA could try a speed blitz but Surfer is much faster, and can also amp himself a whole lot higher.
Team takes this, magic plus a lantern ring is too much.
There was a crossover where Silver Surfer fought with Cyborg Superman. Cyborg Superman lost it but it was because he got attacked from behind by Parallax.
Cyborg took a blast from SS and it barely fazed him.
@GhostRider2: I don't read any Silver Surfer.I 've only read Silver Surfer Requim and some of his features in other comics,such as Thor and Fantastic Four.
I don't see how bloodlust is going to change things.
In character, I have seen the Surfer beat Morg, make very short work of the Super Skrull, tank blows from an enraged Hulk.
Bloodlusted? Since he is faster than either, I don't see how they win. Adam and Henshaw both have great speed...but not this kind of speed. All PIS aside...both these characters get beat.
@GhostRider2: I don't read any Silver Surfer.I 've only read Silver Surfer Requim and some of his features in other comics,such as Thor and Fantastic Four.
I don't see how bloodlust is going to change things.
In character, I have seen the Surfer beat Morg, make very short work of the Super Skrull, tank blows from an enraged Hulk.
Bloodlusted? Since he is faster than either, I don't see how they win. Adam and Henshaw both have great speed...but not this kind of speed. All PIS aside...both these characters get beat.
Morg, Super Skrull would get stomped by either Hank or Black Adam, and they can both tank blows from Hulk.
@GhostRider2: I don't read any Silver Surfer.I 've only read Silver Surfer Requim and some of his features in other comics,such as Thor and Fantastic Four.
I don't see how bloodlust is going to change things.
In character, I have seen the Surfer beat Morg, make very short work of the Super Skrull, tank blows from an enraged Hulk.
Bloodlusted? Since he is faster than either, I don't see how they win. Adam and Henshaw both have great speed...but not this kind of speed. All PIS aside...both these characters get beat.
Morg, Super Skrull would get stomped by either Hank or Black Adam, and they can both tank blows from Hulk.
That may well be true. I'm assuming you have feats indicating that Adam and Henshaw fight at faster than light speeds?
@GhostRider2: I don't read any Silver Surfer.I 've only read Silver Surfer Requim and some of his features in other comics,such as Thor and Fantastic Four.
I don't see how bloodlust is going to change things.
In character, I have seen the Surfer beat Morg, make very short work of the Super Skrull, tank blows from an enraged Hulk.
Bloodlusted? Since he is faster than either, I don't see how they win. Adam and Henshaw both have great speed...but not this kind of speed. All PIS aside...both these characters get beat.
Morg, Super Skrull would get stomped by either Hank or Black Adam, and they can both tank blows from Hulk.
That may well be true. I'm assuming you have feats indicating that Adam and Henshaw fight at faster than light speeds?
Of course you do. May I see them?
I don't but I have scans of Black Adam combating Jay Garrick at high speeds. Also Surfer doesn't not combat at light speed either..
@GhostRider2: I don't read any Silver Surfer.I 've only read Silver Surfer Requim and some of his features in other comics,such as Thor and Fantastic Four.
I don't see how bloodlust is going to change things.
In character, I have seen the Surfer beat Morg, make very short work of the Super Skrull, tank blows from an enraged Hulk.
Bloodlusted? Since he is faster than either, I don't see how they win. Adam and Henshaw both have great speed...but not this kind of speed. All PIS aside...both these characters get beat.
Morg, Super Skrull would get stomped by either Hank or Black Adam, and they can both tank blows from Hulk.
That may well be true. I'm assuming you have feats indicating that Adam and Henshaw fight at faster than light speeds?
Of course you do. May I see them?
I don't but I have scans of Black Adam combating Jay Garrick at high speeds. Also Surfer doesn't not combat at light speed either..
He's still nanosecond+, which makes him faster than Black Adam (and Hank Henshaw).
Why can't Silver Surfer drain Cyborg Superman and his rings again? Has anyone given a real reason why not? Because in Agent Orange it was proven that light constructs can be drained and dismissed via energy manipulation.
Surfer was able to fight Morg long before he got his recent boost in Annihilation, and in that fight he was bloodlusted and blew an entire planet up in the wake of his fight.
He's also given Beta Ray Bill a good fight and tanked Thor's lightning blasts (which on panel are more powerful than anything Black Adam has done with magical lightning).
He's drained the Hulk before, on two separate occasions IIRC. As well as drained an entire sun of it's energy.
He's used matter manipulation to kill creatures on multiple occasions, he's trapped beings within his Surfboard, phased through attacks, tanked blows from Drax, and the Hulk and remained unphased, tanked blows from Galactus multiple times, and so much more.
As far as I'm concerned the team is simply outmuscled in every capacity. And by no small margin.
Why can't Silver Surfer drain Cyborg Superman and his rings again? Has anyone given a real reason why not? Because in Agent Orange it was proven that light constructs can be drained and dismissed via energy manipulation.
It was? I seem to remember Orange constructs draining rings, but not straight energy manipulation draining rings. Avarice's power is specifically to eat and absorb things, so it isn't really a baseline for absorbing ring energies from an outside source.
Albeit, I figure Surfer probably could drain the rings.
Why can't Silver Surfer drain Cyborg Superman and his rings again? Has anyone given a real reason why not? Because in Agent Orange it was proven that light constructs can be drained and dismissed via energy manipulation.
It was? I seem to remember Orange constructs draining rings, but not straight energy manipulation draining rings. Avarice's power is specifically to eat and absorb things, so it isn't really a baseline for absorbing ring energies from an outside source.
Albeit, I figure Surfer probably could drain the rings.
When the Guardians and the Lanterns first invade Larfleeze he summons the Controllers, who had had previously defeated and turned into his constructs. Using their energy manipulation they negate Lantern Constructs and attacks.
Why can't Silver Surfer drain Cyborg Superman and his rings again? Has anyone given a real reason why not? Because in Agent Orange it was proven that light constructs can be drained and dismissed via energy manipulation.
It was? I seem to remember Orange constructs draining rings, but not straight energy manipulation draining rings. Avarice's power is specifically to eat and absorb things, so it isn't really a baseline for absorbing ring energies from an outside source.
Albeit, I figure Surfer probably could drain the rings.
When the Guardians and the Lanterns first invade Larfleeze he summons the Controllers, who had had previously defeated and turned into his constructs. Using their energy manipulation they negate Lantern Constructs and attacks.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
The exact quote is "the orange lantern are absorbing our constructs." It does not state specifcally whether or not it is the Controllers innate abilities or orange lantern abilities. Since the Lanterns act shocked at this, it most likely means it is an Orange ability, as the Controls have been fought before and are known of.
@GhostRider2: I don't read any Silver Surfer.I 've only read Silver Surfer Requim and some of his features in other comics,such as Thor and Fantastic Four.
I don't see how bloodlust is going to change things.
In character, I have seen the Surfer beat Morg, make very short work of the Super Skrull, tank blows from an enraged Hulk.
Bloodlusted? Since he is faster than either, I don't see how they win. Adam and Henshaw both have great speed...but not this kind of speed. All PIS aside...both these characters get beat.
Morg, Super Skrull would get stomped by either Hank or Black Adam, and they can both tank blows from Hulk.
That may well be true. I'm assuming you have feats indicating that Adam and Henshaw fight at faster than light speeds?
Of course you do. May I see them?
I don't but I have scans of Black Adam combating Jay Garrick at high speeds. Also Surfer doesn't not combat at light speed either..
I have the same scans of Black Adam fighting Jay Garrick. That fight did not take place at faster than light speed.
Scans of the Surfer indicating that he is capable of light speed combat are not many, but they are there:
Above, Power Cosmics Unlimited, Surfer decides to blitz a ship while a 1000s of asteroids press in on him and Jack of Hearts. Below is the result:
@GhostRider2: I don't read any Silver Surfer.I 've only read Silver Surfer Requim and some of his features in other comics,such as Thor and Fantastic Four.
I don't see how bloodlust is going to change things.
In character, I have seen the Surfer beat Morg, make very short work of the Super Skrull, tank blows from an enraged Hulk.
Bloodlusted? Since he is faster than either, I don't see how they win. Adam and Henshaw both have great speed...but not this kind of speed. All PIS aside...both these characters get beat.
Morg, Super Skrull would get stomped by either Hank or Black Adam, and they can both tank blows from Hulk.
That may well be true. I'm assuming you have feats indicating that Adam and Henshaw fight at faster than light speeds?
Of course you do. May I see them?
I don't but I have scans of Black Adam combating Jay Garrick at high speeds. Also Surfer doesn't not combat at light speed either..
He's still nanosecond+, which makes him faster than Black Adam (and Hank Henshaw).
Why can't Silver Surfer drain Cyborg Superman and his rings again? Has anyone given a real reason why not? Because in Agent Orange it was proven that light constructs can be drained and dismissed via energy manipulation.
Surfer was able to fight Morg long before he got his recent boost in Annihilation, and in that fight he was bloodlusted and blew an entire planet up in the wake of his fight.
He's also given Beta Ray Bill a good fight and tanked Thor's lightning blasts (which on panel are more powerful than anything Black Adam has done with magical lightning).
He's drained the Hulk before, on two separate occasions IIRC. As well as drained an entire sun of it's energy.
He's used matter manipulation to kill creatures on multiple occasions, he's trapped beings within his Surfboard, phased through attacks, tanked blows from Drax, and the Hulk and remained unphased, tanked blows from Galactus multiple times, and so much more.
As far as I'm concerned the team is simply outmuscled in every capacity. And by no small margin.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
Agreed.
Although...
I know it's not a popular opinion around here...and not that I'm trying to convince you...but my opinion is Surfer has FTL reaction time. You will never see Norrin portrayed like Wally West. Wally has a number of powers related to the speed force, but generally, writer's of the Flash have portrayed him doing crazy stuff in combat at FTL speeds. Speed feats is Wally's bread and butter. The Surfer can do virtually anything, so you will rarely see FTL combat/reaction speed feats.
@Malevolent1: He does have on panel evidence of him consciously thinking of a task and then doing it in less than the span of a nanosecond. Hence nanosecond+.
@Malevolent1: He does have on panel evidence of him consciously thinking of a task and then doing it in less than the span of a nanosecond. Hence nanosecond+.
@GhostRider2: I don't read any Silver Surfer.I 've only read Silver Surfer Requim and some of his features in other comics,such as Thor and Fantastic Four.
I don't see how bloodlust is going to change things.
In character, I have seen the Surfer beat Morg, make very short work of the Super Skrull, tank blows from an enraged Hulk.
Bloodlusted? Since he is faster than either, I don't see how they win. Adam and Henshaw both have great speed...but not this kind of speed. All PIS aside...both these characters get beat.
Morg, Super Skrull would get stomped by either Hank or Black Adam, and they can both tank blows from Hulk.
That may well be true. I'm assuming you have feats indicating that Adam and Henshaw fight at faster than light speeds?
Of course you do. May I see them?
I don't but I have scans of Black Adam combating Jay Garrick at high speeds. Also Surfer doesn't not combat at light speed either..
He's still nanosecond+, which makes him faster than Black Adam (and Hank Henshaw).
Why can't Silver Surfer drain Cyborg Superman and his rings again? Has anyone given a real reason why not? Because in Agent Orange it was proven that light constructs can be drained and dismissed via energy manipulation.
Surfer was able to fight Morg long before he got his recent boost in Annihilation, and in that fight he was bloodlusted and blew an entire planet up in the wake of his fight.
He's also given Beta Ray Bill a good fight and tanked Thor's lightning blasts (which on panel are more powerful than anything Black Adam has done with magical lightning).
He's drained the Hulk before, on two separate occasions IIRC. As well as drained an entire sun of it's energy.
He's used matter manipulation to kill creatures on multiple occasions, he's trapped beings within his Surfboard, phased through attacks, tanked blows from Drax, and the Hulk and remained unphased, tanked blows from Galactus multiple times, and so much more.
As far as I'm concerned the team is simply outmuscled in every capacity. And by no small margin.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
Nanosecond? Silver Surfer has shown that once. It could have been for plot. You have to take that into consideration. How do you drain a robot? :/ Ring I get, but robot, lol?
Yes he did indeed destroy a planet, but that was with Morg. It was there power together.
The Beta Ray Bill fight was a good showing for Surfer, but him tanking lightning strikes from Thor doesn't mean much when that same Thor was weakened.
Hulk is a living power source, and a sun is energy & radiation. Those are practical things to drain. Black Adam & Cyborg Superman are not. Unless you are referring to the power ring.
He used matter manipulation on a featless being who I bet is no where close to Black Adam let alone Hank Henshaw.
He's tanked blows from Classic Hulk who is about half as strong as current Hulk. Classic Drax?That can't be right. Classic Drax was ripping out cores of stars. Surfer would have to feel that seeing how Classic Thor has injured him before with strikes, and than there is this. Hulk hits Surfer, and he even says "aughhhh" in pain. This is later on from the Classic days, but it shows how Hulk has progress. Black Adam & Cyborg Superman both arguably hit harder than Superman, so you tell me. I honestly doubt Galactus would want to hurt his precious herald. Who would find him planets to eat? :P
So Cyborg Superman & Black Adam are both superior to Silver Surfer in physical strength by a large margin There is nothing shown to say Surfer is faster than either. He has faster travel speed, but that won't help unless he's going to bull rush them, or if he wants to fly away, and bombard them with energy blasts. Durability as I said in my blog with Superman VS Silver Surfer. Superman has better durability to physical harm, mean while Surfer has it in energy. That's how I see it here. Also if Silver Surfer went into close combat with either of these two one on one he would lose, but if he did it here he would get stomped. Pretty bad. So, yeah Surfer does get stomped here.
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