I don't think so I can't see Surfer at this level defeating the Avengers the way Anti-Man did That was with Ms Marvel, Ares, Wonder Man, Sentry and Iron Man
" @PirateKing69: @difficlus: I don't think so I can't see Surfer at this level defeating the Avengers the way Anti-Man did That was with Ms Marvel, Ares, Wonder Man, Sentry and Iron Man "
i'm sure SS can take out everyone listed there without much hassle
" @PirateKing69: @difficlus: I don't think so I can't see Surfer at this level defeating the Avengers the way Anti-Man did That was with Ms Marvel, Ares, Wonder Man, Sentry and Iron Man "
i'm sure SS can take out everyone listed there without much hassle "
i agree none of those listed are not even close to current SS
" @PirateKing69: @difficlus: I don't think so I can't see Surfer at this level defeating the Avengers the way Anti-Man did That was with Ms Marvel, Ares, Wonder Man, Sentry and Iron Man "
i'm sure SS can take out everyone listed there without much hassle "
i agree none of those listed are not even close to current SS "
not sure if he means current or classic but i think this is classic silver surfer
" @PirateKing69: @difficlus: I don't think so I can't see Surfer at this level defeating the Avengers the way Anti-Man did That was with Ms Marvel, Ares, Wonder Man, Sentry and Iron Man "
i'm sure SS can take out everyone listed there without much hassle "
Not in his earth bound form Thor defeated him alone back then Even Loki gave him a problem for a while And Iron Man was able to battle him well when he was a Defender
" @PirateKing69: @difficlus: I don't think so I can't see Surfer at this level defeating the Avengers the way Anti-Man did That was with Ms Marvel, Ares, Wonder Man, Sentry and Iron Man "
i'm sure SS can take out everyone listed there without much hassle "
Not in his earth bound form Thor defeated him alone back then Even Loki gave him a problem for a while And Iron Man was able to battle him well when he was a Defender "
and he beat iron man easily. iron mans best punch didn't even phase him...
" @PirateKing69: @difficlus: I don't think so I can't see Surfer at this level defeating the Avengers the way Anti-Man did That was with Ms Marvel, Ares, Wonder Man, Sentry and Iron Man "
i'm sure SS can take out everyone listed there without much hassle "
Not in his earth bound form Thor defeated him alone back then Even Loki gave him a problem for a while And Iron Man was able to battle him well when he was a Defender "
and he beat iron man easily. iron mans best punch didn't even phase him... "
" @StrongestOneThereIs: .... Really when was that? "
Right after he helped the FF defeat Galactus Way back in the day He then became a Defender with Hulk, Strange and Namor You must be new to comics : ) If so, you should check them out if you can
" @StrongestOneThereIs: .... Really when was that? "
Right after he helped the FF defeat Galactus Way back in the day He then became a Defender with Hulk, Strange and Namor You must be new to comics : ) If so, you should check them out if you can "
Not exactly, I don't like Silver Surfer that much. THX by the way =)
" @StrongestOneThereIs: .... Really when was that? "
Right after he helped the FF defeat Galactus Way back in the day He then became a Defender with Hulk, Strange and Namor You must be new to comics : ) If so, you should check them out if you can "
Not exactly, I don't like Silver Surfer that much. THX by the way =) "
I say new because it is common knowledge To anyone who read comics since the late 70's or early 80's
SS. His control of energy and matter seems higher than Anti-Man. Also, he has too many powers and he is much much faster than Anti-Man.
About others: Ms. MArvel is too weak and won't be able to absorb anything from SS,Wonder Man will be drained, Iron Man, Ares and others would be non factor.
"SS. His control of energy and matter seems higher than Anti-Man. Also, he has too many powers and he is much much faster than Anti-Man. About others: Ms. MArvel is too weak and won't be able to absorb anything from SS,Wonder Man will be drained, Iron Man, Ares and others would be non factor."
Ares is a non-factor? And who says MS Marvel can't absorb a degree of Power Cosmic? And I still don't think SS can drain Simon's living ionic energy And you forgot about Sentry
I don't think SS at the level he showed at that time woudl have a chance against that Avengers team Thor beat him easily and even Loki gave him a hard time
1.Ares is non factor. What he will do? He didn't show high energy projection durability. He is too slow. He don't have matter manipulation durability. He isn't immune or even highly resistant to TP. He is non factor.
2.Beside the fact that Surfer has better drainning and absorbing powers? Ms. Marvel even as a Binary would lose to Surfer.
3.Ms. Marvel currently absorbed Count Nefaria's energy to make him weak. Surfer can't do it much better. Or just disrupt him as Iron Man did in one of the first issues of current Avengers. Seriously, guy who is made of energy has no chance against high energy manipulator.
4.I've didn't forgot about him. I was just saying that others are non facotr or that they can be one shoted. Sentry would lose to Surfer, because he never showed power greater than a star, while Pre-A Surfer already showed that he can drain star. And Anti-matter energy weaks Sentry. Surfer has CA, so he will know about it.
5.Thor is different then Sentry or Wonder MAn. a)He isn't made of energy. b)He can't be drained. c)He don't have clear weaknes. d)He has many crazy powers like Surfer. e)He has much much better durability and strangth feats than Sentry or WM.
1) Ares is a tactician that would set him up for a smack with his Axe (he has done it before) 2) She would lose to Surfer in the end because he is more powerful, but it doesn't mean she can't absorb the PC to a degree (as you stated) 3) And I still don't think he can drain Simon's living ionic energy. There is nothing to drain, He is the energy.
@czarny_samael: She absorbs as much energy as the Captain Marvel does, and that Silver Surfer is not a great menance he has the same Strength Level as Spider-man back then (Oh well, the strength level back then wasn't so defined)
@StrongestOneThereIs: That is the list of the Super-medium weights I think that is the same as the current Power Grid, a lot of characters have the same number of power level, but that doesn't means that they have the same strength
What makes you think that? Its true that he fought against the Hulk back then, but a LOT of people fought and defeated Hulk back then, I think that he was able to fight against him because the power cosmic.
Colossus was 70 tons
I am not sure about him.
Cage 2 tons
I am agree with him.
Not sure about Valkyrie, SheHulk, Ghost Rider and Black Goliath
Me too, but as I said the strength level is not that defined back then, even now there is not a lot of accurancy.
What makes you think that? Its true that he fought against the Hulk back then, but a LOT of people fought and defeated Hulk back then, I think that he was able to fight against him because the power cosmic.
Colossus was 70 tons
I am not sure about him.
Cage 2 tons
I am agree with him.
Not sure about Valkyrie, SheHulk, Ghost Rider and Black Goliath
Me too, but as I said the strength level is not that defined back then, even now there is not a lot of accurancy.
"
I say that because the power cosmic can be used to increase strength to incalculable limits Though only the Surfer has been shown to do it
I know Colossus was because of the Marvel Handbook at the time stated him to be that level as a teenager
What makes you think that? Its true that he fought against the Hulk back then, but a LOT of people fought and defeated Hulk back then, I think that he was able to fight against him because the power cosmic.
Colossus was 70 tons
I am not sure about him.
Cage 2 tons
I am agree with him.
Not sure about Valkyrie, SheHulk, Ghost Rider and Black Goliath
Me too, but as I said the strength level is not that defined back then, even now there is not a lot of accurancy.
"
I say that because the power cosmic can be used to increase strength to incalculable limits Though only the Surfer has been shown to do it I know Colossus was because of the Marvel Handbook at the time stated him to be that level as a teenager "
That is a new Superpower, but its temporal his original should be different, Captain Marvel is 10/15 tonner, and even like that he defeats Thanos with his Cosmic Power
What makes you think that? Its true that he fought against the Hulk back then, but a LOT of people fought and defeated Hulk back then, I think that he was able to fight against him because the power cosmic.
Colossus was 70 tons
I am not sure about him.
Cage 2 tons
I am agree with him.
Not sure about Valkyrie, SheHulk, Ghost Rider and Black Goliath
Me too, but as I said the strength level is not that defined back then, even now there is not a lot of accurancy.
"
I say that because the power cosmic can be used to increase strength to incalculable limits Though only the Surfer has been shown to do it I know Colossus was because of the Marvel Handbook at the time stated him to be that level as a teenager "
That is a new Superpower, but its temporal his original should be different, Captain Marvel is 10/15 tonner, and even like that he defeats Thanos with his Cosmic Power "
Your are right It shows that inconsistencies were evident in back then
" @czarny_samael: By the way, What makes you think that Ares is slow? "
What makes You think that he isn't? I've didn't saw any minisecond reaction from him, let alone microsecond reaction.
And Spidey punching Surfre is PIS. As it was when he was blitzing Firelord.
@StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @czarny_samael: 1) Ares is a tactician that would set him up for a smack with his Axe (he has done it before) 2) She would lose to Surfer in the end because he is more powerful, but it doesn't mean she can't absorb the PC to a degree (as you stated) 3) And I still don't think he can drain Simon's living ionic energy. There is nothing to drain, He is the energy. "
1.He don't have prep. Surfer was cutted into pieces before and he regenerated from it. And Ares is to slow to cut Surfer. 2.If he will use his energy projection and drainning in the same moment - she can't. She would only be able to do it, if he will use only energy balsts. 3.Exatly. He is the energy. So he will absorb him. Like King Hyperion did to Holocaust or Thor to Presence or Ms. MArvel to Count Nefaria (who also is living ionic energy).
" @czarny_samael: By the way, What makes you think that Ares is slow? "
What makes You think that he isn't? I've didn't saw any minisecond reaction from him, let alone microsecond reaction. And Spidey punching Surfer is PIS. As it was when he was blitzing Firelord.
No, Ares is so goddamn fast in the Mighty Avengers and he is an awesome strategist in a genious level even when he has normal intelligent, he is pretty underated here in Comic Vive. And back then it wasn't, Spiderman was so overpowered, today it is PIS, back then, not really, because is something that have happened a lot of times, Spider-man was able to fight back then against Th Fire Lord, Silver Surfer, Hulk and Thor, Is the same as seeing Captain Marvel defeating Thanos, he is just a 10 tonner and defeats Thanos.
" @czarny_samael: By the way, What makes you think that Ares is slow? "
What makes You think that he isn't? I've didn't saw any minisecond reaction from him, let alone microsecond reaction.
And Spidey punching Surfre is PIS. As it was when he was blitzing Firelord.
@StrongestOneThereIs said:
" @czarny_samael: 1) Ares is a tactician that would set him up for a smack with his Axe (he has done it before) 2) She would lose to Surfer in the end because he is more powerful, but it doesn't mean she can't absorb the PC to a degree (as you stated) 3) And I still don't think he can drain Simon's living ionic energy. There is nothing to drain, He is the energy. "
1.He don't have prep. Surfer was cutted into pieces before and he regenerated from it. And Ares is to slow to cut Surfer. 2.If he will use his energy projection and drainning in the same moment - she can't. She would only be able to do it, if he will use only energy balsts. 3.Exatly. He is the energy. So he will absorb him. Like King Hyperion did to Holocaust or Thor to Presence or Ms. MArvel to Count Nefaria (who also is living ionic energy). "
You have to understand That was the state of comics back then It wasn't PIS because it didn't exist Writers didn't really take everything into consideration Iron Man and Cap once beat the Hulk Thor matched the Hulk's strength in a contest Cage defeated Dr Doom
And why would Ares need prep He is the god of war He didn't need prep against Ultron or in the Secret War He did it on the fly And Holocaust is a different form on energy Ionic energy beings is said to be unique That's why their energy can't exhausted And only other ionic based beings can drain them (like Nefaria) Surfer isn't ionic
Nefaria was drained by Ms. MArvel. And where did You found an info that they can't be drained? You have to show some resistance to energy draining from guys as powerfull as Surfer.
Ares is only 70t class. And Ultron isn't Surfer class. A specially in speed. Ares won't even touch Surfer.
"Nefaria was drained by Ms. MArvel. And where did You found an info that they can't be drained? You have to show some resistance to energy draining from guys as powerfull as Surfer. Ares is only 70t class. And Ultron isn't Surfer class. A specially in speed. Ares won't even touch Surfer. "
She didn't drain him Ms Marvel doesn't drain She is able to absorb energy to make her stronger So if the Superman hit her with his heat vision
She would get stronger. She wouldn't then drian the solar energy from him (And before you say something like "I didn't say anything about Superman" that was an example)
Don't need to show resistance since the only person ever to drain the energy of an Ionic was another Ionic And the special properties of ionic energy beings have been stated before. Even in Wonder Man's official bio
As far as Ares. We are talking about him being part of the same group that fought Anti-Man (he is not fighting solo) My man point was that I don't believe that the classic earthbound Surfer could take on that same group of Avengers You made Ares a nonfactor when I felt he (being the god of war) is a tactician and could devise a tactic on the fly That could setup Surfer with the use of the others to allow him to hit him with his axe I think when you look at some characters, you only look at their base power and not everything in unison Ares knows fighting and he knows war. He doesn't need prep. He just sees it. They showed that in the Dark Avengers
"But still CN was weakned. I know what You were talking about and Ares is a non factor. He will be one-shoted and he can't keep up with Surfer. He can't even hurt him. His tactic will do nothing. And he can't make a tactic against Surfer."
It didn't show that Nefaria was weakened at all It just showed that she was stronger He even questioned her tactic Doubting her ability to handle him in her stronger state Void didn't one-shot Ares He took several blows and didn't go down until he was ripped apart The Surfer wasn't even clse as being as strong as Sentry back then And who is the Surfer that someone can't make a tactic to fight? Is he the Living Tribunal or something? Everyone has a weakness And that mystical god-forged adamantine axe could hurt him
"But still CN was weakned. I know what You were talking about and Ares is a non factor. He will be one-shoted and he can't keep up with Surfer. He can't even hurt him. His tactic will do nothing. And he can't make a tactic against Surfer."
It didn't show that Nefaria was weakened at all It just showed that she was stronger He even questioned her tactic Doubting her ability to handle him in her stronger state Void didn't one-shot AresHe took several blows and didn't go down until he was ripped apart The Surfer wasn't even clse as being as strong as Sentry back then And who is the Surfer that someone can't make a tactic to fight? Is he the Living Tribunal or something? Everyone has a weakness And that mystical god-forged adamantine axe could hurt him "
Ow, yes he was. This was his worst fight in his history. Ares can't make a tacitc against someone as powerfull as Surfer. Nefaria is made of energy, that is why Ms. Marvel was able to make him weak. Void didn't want to one-shot anyone. When he wanted - he did it. WWHulk one-shoted Ares. Ares is non factor. He is below Thing, Colossus or She-Hulk. And all of them will be non factor against Surfer. Surfer doesn't have a weaknes. And even then he was a planet buster with nanosecond speed reaction.
"But still CN was weakned. I know what You were talking about and Ares is a non factor. He will be one-shoted and he can't keep up with Surfer. He can't even hurt him. His tactic will do nothing. And he can't make a tactic against Surfer."
It didn't show that Nefaria was weakened at all It just showed that she was stronger He even questioned her tactic Doubting her ability to handle him in her stronger state Void didn't one-shot AresHe took several blows and didn't go down until he was ripped apart The Surfer wasn't even clse as being as strong as Sentry back then And who is the Surfer that someone can't make a tactic to fight? Is he the Living Tribunal or something? Everyone has a weakness And that mystical god-forged adamantine axe could hurt him "
Ow, yes he was. This was his worst fight in his history. Ares can't make a tacitc against someone as powerfull as Surfer. Nefaria is made of energy, that is why Ms. Marvel was able to make him weak. Void didn't want to one-shot anyone. When he wanted - he did it. WWHulk one-shoted Ares. Ares is non factor. He is below Thing, Colossus or She-Hulk. And all of them will be non factor against Surfer. Surfer doesn't have a weaknes. And even then he was a planet buster with nanosecond speed reaction. "
Because his power has nothing to defend against Wolverine's claws And Ares made a tactic against Ultron, who was as powerful as Sentry at that moment And Sentry is more powerful than the earth-bound Surfer Void wasn't holding back in those blows (and there is no indication that he was) Again you are looking at one factor of a character, instead of everything yes, Ares is below the Thing, but only in strength When you add his 70 tons, his godly stamina and durability His countless years of fighting prowness His power of knowing war and and his axe And the addition of powerful teammates like Sentry, Wonder Man and Ms Marvel He is far from a non-factor in battle
But as far as the thread
Earthbound Surfer
Coudln't not defeat the same Avengers team that Anti-Man defeated easily
" And I still don't think SS can drain Simon's living ionic energy "
,Surfer defated Wonder Woman a couple of times now the first time he damaged Wonder Man's spiritual form, the second time he soaked a combined attack from Wasp, Vision, Cap, Simon, Ms Marvel and then defeated Wonder Man by messing with the iconic modulation of his iconic energy, his whole body was pushed out of phase and Wonder Man was almost dispersed DrManhattan / Moleculeman style
@StrongestOneThereIs
said:
" And who says MS Marvel can't absorb a degree of Power Cosmic? "
Surfer has a high level of power cosmic, Ms Marvel absorbing Surfer would be like Surfer absorbing Galactus...not happening without a high level of PIS Also she's not gonna absorb nothing if he rushed in and punches her hard in the head or just sends his board bulleting into her
@StrongestOneThereIs
said:
" And you forgot about Sentry I don't think SS at the level he showed at that time"
Sentry without that tentacle Void thing wasn't a very powerful Avengers brick, he had trouble many times. When he was at full power with the Void Sentry was a crazy silver age character. But when he lost to anti-Man Sentry was at low power Any A-Lister can defeat Sentry if he's not using the Void.
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