Silver Surfer and Thor vs. The Flash and Superman

@Uno_Oscuro said:

Surfer solos both.

@202122: few punches @500+times speed of light are not going to put down thor?

@RyuHayabusa: He isn't going have that many and yes Thor can take it

@202122 said:

@RyuHayabusa: He isn't going have that many and yes Thor can take it

He can do more than that. I m not expecting any logical answer but i ll give you a chance to prove that Thor would standing after that.

@202122 said:

@blackadamFTW: They're on opposite sides of a planet you fanboy Thor isn't going to stand there and wait for Flash to come. Thor is quick enough, smart enough and Fast enough to get up and crush Flash. I'm sorry to tell you this but unless we are talking downgraded SS he is as fast if not faster then Wally. Also controlling the power cosmic really helps when messing with Flashes powers so what i'm saying is... Wally is going to land some blows but not enough to take either of these guys

Wally could run across the the globe in at least a nanosecond, and he doesn't even need to punch them. He just needs to speed steal them. Neither Thor or Silver Surfer have the feats to show they have reactions even close to Wally, or any feats to show they are anywhere near to Wally. Prove to me that Surfer or Thor are faster than or can react to Wally, and I'll take you seriously.

@The_Thunderer said:

@blackadamFTW: He is, there is a thread on it, check my previous posts, it is close but he has better feats..plus SS is much more durable and stronger than flash.

@Masterr: I can't recall the issue, but I can prolly find the scan, he does it on Earth to demonstrate his power. He can also call on every bit of weather from all the nine realms, which is definitely more than enough to encompass Jupiter and hurt flash.

To be honest, I can't see surfer solo'ing, but he can take Flash, and mjolnir will break superman due to his intolerance/weakness to magic. In a speed battle flash and superman will win, but SS and Thor have greater durability. In my opinion the gap between the speed of the teams is not significantly large enough to overcome the vast gulf in durability (especially considering superman's weakness to magic).

I do know for a fact he can control ridiculously strong winds and storms but I have never seen him do it in a planetary scale, it'd be nice to see that event you're talking about though.

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@XiiX: quite the mismatch you got here ..... probably not the first ... and probably not the last ....

Silver Surfer Solos both rounds ....

@nickthedevil said:

LOL okay, what'd i miss? This thread is back?

Dude, when did Flash show Zeptosecond reaction time? Which issue am i missing??

@202122 said:

@RyuHayabusa: He isn't going have that many and yes Thor can take it

So.. .Superman has less durability then Thor now, eh?

@Killemall said:

@nickthedevil said:

LOL okay, what'd i miss? This thread is back?

Dude, when did Flash show Zeptosecond reaction time? Which issue am i missing??

I'm leaving home now, meaning i won't be able to put up a scan. however, i do seem to recall a scan being shown in another thread. not a scan i would have personally (since i shipped out all my comics a week ago T__T)

@Bo88gdan said:

@blackadamFTW: silver surfer went toe to toe with a runner who is faster than flash.in Terms of a speed Runner>SIlver Surfer>Flash

Silver surfer pwns Flash .Flash is Overrated to the point that some Dc fanboys make me sick.If Flash is so damn allmighty how come he doesent destroy all bad characters on earth in one nano second ?Because he cant.

Since when is Runner faster? What feats does he have to make him faster? What feats does Surfer have to make him faster?

That's right, none.

I find it funny how you call me a fanboy when you are one of the biggest on here.

@blackadamFTW said:

Wally could run across the the globe in at least a nanosecond, and he doesn't even need to punch them. He just needs to speed steal them. Neither Thor or Silver Surfer have the feats to show they have reactions even close to Wally, or any feats to show they are anywhere near to Wally. Prove to me that Surfer or Thor are faster than or can react to Wally, and I'll take you seriously.

I think the best we have recorded is a nanosecond reaction feat, but SS has even himself talked about dodging asteroids and such as he flies through space -- and we know he can travel lightyears in seconds, has been able to at least tag the Runner, and so on. SS does have some serious speed, but suffers like Superman in that regards -- plot/story rarely allow him to use it -- he is only as fast as he needs to be for the story. I am completely biased for SS over Flash, but Flash is faster. I have many plausible theories on how SS can beat Flash with enough evidence to back it up...but am loathe to even do so at this point, as it takes too much time and explanation, and I have a decent buzz going on from the Shock Top beer (surprisingly good stuff, and I say that as a dark beer drinker).

Thor, I have no friggin clue how fast he is.

Bloodlusted Flash in a scenario like this can take it easy before anyone can react. Flash fighting in character...it depends on how soon Flash decides he needs take it to the next level for his more powerful/exotic attacks, and just what SS decides to do -- he is probably far more exceedingly versatile and dangerous than a lot of people realize. Thor's problem in either scenario is that he rarely starts out with his most powerful abilities, and generally starts out in hand to hand (or hammer to hand, but you get the idea). Where Supes fits into the equation...I'll just leave that be, because I have gone on much further in than I intended=P

@Wyldsong: Wow, I totally agree. Great post.

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@XiiX: quite the mismatch you got here ..... probably not the first ... and probably not the last ....

Silver Surfer Solos both rounds ....

I don't see how this is a mismatch at all.

Can't Flash just lend speed to Superman?

@blackadamFTW said:

@Wyldsong: Wow, I totally agree. Great post.

I try, buzz aside=)

I even have theories on why BFRing SS into the speedforce could be a bad idea, but again, too much time and too wordy for me to coherently put together at this point=)

Mmmm....beer...

Given the distance, I say Team 1.

Team 1. The power cosmic is a game changer in any fight

@fangirl101: Hopefully it isn't Gaea or Wonder Woman again. And true, the Power Cosmic is not omnipotence...

There isn't anything to stop the Surfer from handling both fights on his own. It just ends a lot faster in round two.

@fangirl101: If you'd like too, i suppose. I just feel like surfer is getting really underplayed here

@mr_gone said:

@fangirl101: If you'd like too, i suppose. I just feel like surfer is getting really underplayed here

Nope, he isn't. People just think Wally will knock him out speed blitzing him both rounds. I'm of the opinion the current Surfer can't be KOed outside PIS, mostly based off a more recent showing where he turned his body into snow, air and the cold, completely chatting it with his fellow defenders without a brain. It really should be hard to KO someone who doesn't need a brain to be conscious.

@fangirl101 said:

@mr_gone: I feel like Flash is getting over played, Surfer gets over played, Superman gets over played, Thor is getting under played, etc. Speed is being played up too much here. Superman nor Surfer use their speed all that much. And Even Flash doesn't use his top speed all the time. Who fights at full throttle all the time? You'd be worn out.

Blood-lust in round two allows for the Flash to go at full speed, why people think in round one he'll murder stomp his opponents without breaking a sweat I don't know though.

@isaac_clarke: Thats pretty much what i was getting at. I don't know how someone who can be threatened by captain boomerang could go very long against norrin.

@mr_gone said:

@isaac_clarke: Thats pretty much what i was getting at. I don't know how someone who can be threatened by captain boomerang could go very long against norrin.

It helps that speedsters job. Realistically most of these guys written to their best of their ability would normally trash their more forgettable rogues.

Round one is up in the air for me. Round two Flash should win it

@Masterr: found a few:

Thor shaking a planet breaking mountains, pretty cool.

Here he is overtaking Ego, when Ego was moving at hyperspace speeds, so isn't that slow.

Thor can make a crack in the planet for flash to fall in:

This is the worldwide storm (2 scans):

So i feel as though Thor has been underestimated.

Thor is slow.

@CitizenBane: clearly..

@The_Thunderer: The planet is indestructible in this OP

@vuviper: Oh yeah, I thought it was so flash could have an advantage cos bloodlusted Thor would break the planet, and then flash would just float around and be useless. I thought you might be allowed to crack the planet, especially considering the size of the planet, a crack with the magnitude I showed would be very insignificant however I take your point. Storm would still work though..

@The_Thunderer said:

@vuviper: Oh yeah, I thought it was so flash could have an advantage cos bloodlusted Thor would break the planet, and then flash would just float around and be useless. I thought you might be allowed to crack the planet, especially considering the size of the planet, a crack with the magnitude I showed would be very insignificant however I take your point. Storm would still work though..

Don't think Thor can whip up a storm in time, Flash may even be able to run around it fast enought to creat a vrotex that just throws all of it back to Thor in one focused blast. Also even if they did destroy the planet, Flash could always give up all his speed to Superman which would be pretty scary.

@vuviper: Im not doubting flash's speed nor his ability to create vortex's but this no ordinary storm, this is a storm summoned through asgardian magic, magic summoned by the son of the all father and so isn't getting blown away by no one. Flash's durability < Planet Busting Attack

Thor has other means to keep flash away..

@nickthedevil: Couldn't Flash just lend Superman speed?

Team one. Both times. Now if it was Superman and Sinestro or Superman and Martian Manhunter than I would take them for both rounds.

@SavageDragon: there aren't enough manhunter threads...

^^ You Think Flash is the weak link of the team? SS solos all the teams you mentioned

@The_Thunderer said:

@vuviper: Im not doubting flash's speed nor his ability to create vortex's but this no ordinary storm, this is a storm summoned through asgardian magic, magic summoned by the son of the all father and so isn't getting blown away by no one. Flash's durability < Planet Busting Attack

Thor has other means to keep flash away..

He would still need to summon it fast enough to not be knocked out. And Thor durability is < mass of a white dwarf star hitting at the speed of light. Which Flash is fully capable of doing when bloodlusted.

@vuviper: Thor can tank a white dwarf star easy, he has displayed fantastic resilience to heat:

(sorry about size)

Plus in terms of the gravitational force of the sun he has been subjected to the gravity of a neutron star:

@The_Thunderer: The mass of a white dwarf star coming at him at light speed.

@vuviper: I showed you why not...

@The_Thunderer said:

@vuviper: I showed you why not...

@vuviper said:

@The_Thunderer: The mass of a white dwarf star coming at him at light speed.

Not heat. Can he take the force resulting from Flash punching him with the mass of a white dwarf star

@vuviper: I'm pretty sure he can dodge it.

@The_Thunderer said:

@vuviper: I'm pretty sure he can dodge it.

He's not known to dodge very much and I doubt he could if neither Professor Zoom and Zum could. In fact Flash said he could IMP Zum 1000 times before he could blink. Thor isn't any faster

@vuviper: that seems like PIS if zoom couldn't doge it cos it is only going at lightspeed. What is the mass of a star?

@The_Thunderer said:

@vuviper: that seems like PIS if zoom couldn't doge it cos it is only going at lightspeed. What is the mass of a star?

It probably going much faster than light speed.

@blackadamFTW: he said lightspeed.

@The_Thunderer said:

@blackadamFTW: he said lightspeed.

He said IMP which is different.

@blackadamFTW: @vuviper said:

@The_Thunderer: The mass of a white dwarf star coming at him at light speed.

^ read it.