Silver Surfer and Magneto vs John Stewart and Martian Manhunter

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#1  Edited By _Beastmaster_

Fight is on Earth,if it matters. 

 

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#2  Edited By pooty

Team 1

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#3  Edited By MrBigBalls

Surfer and Magneto!

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#4  Edited By TheMightyAvenger

Surfer could solo if he fought to his maximum fron the start.

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#5  Edited By nefarious

The Silver Surfer solos.

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#6  Edited By SilverGalford

magneto dies , but surfer can handle this team .

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#7  Edited By MarvelJackAss433
@SilverGalford: How does Mags die?
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#8  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon
@MarvelJackAss433 said:
@SilverGalford: How does Mags die?
He's by far the weakest in this fight.  He shouldn't even be here.  But Surfer solos. 
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#9  Edited By MarvelJackAss433
@Cosmic_Falcon: Galactus was unable to penetrate his shields,he lifted a huge mass of the earth into space with his mind and killed a reality warper.
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#10  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon
@MarvelJackAss433 said:
@Cosmic_Falcon: Galactus was unable to penetrate his shields,he lifted a huge mass of the earth into space with his mind and killed a reality warper.
Galactus never tried penetrating his shields, he gave Xavier and Magneto a warning shot, he wasn't trying to kill them.  Also Galactus was starving when this happened.  
Lifting a huge mass of land isn't an impressive feat, John Stewart and Martian Manhunter can move entire celestial bodies and at one point, 1/3 of the entire planet. 
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#11  Edited By MarvelJackAss433
@Cosmic_Falcon
 
No one,on record,has ever gotten through Magneto's shields.

 
He could possibly manipulate the particles in Manhunter's body,considering they are unstable.Hell,he could possibly manipulate Oan Energy.
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#12  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon
@MarvelJackAss433 said:
@Cosmic_Falcon:   No one,on record,has ever gotten through Magneto's shields.  He could possibly manipulate the particles in Manhunter's body,considering they are unstable.Hell,he could possibly manipulate Oan Energy.
Martian can manipulate his own body better then Magneto could ever.  Also if you read X-men 113, Magneto was getting rocked by a bunch of rookie X-men and couldn't even harm Omerta because he was too durable for Magneto to manipulate, not compare that to someone who can increase their durability to Superman's level.  Magneto would get one shotted. 
I doubt that since you need a high amount of willpower to manipulate Oan energy, and Stewart has that in spades compared to Magneto. 
He's the weak link in this fight. 
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#13  Edited By MarvelJackAss433
@Cosmic_Falcon: Magneto willed through the holocaust.
 
He is in no way a weak link.
  @Cosmic_Falcon said:

@MarvelJackAss433 said:

@Cosmic_Falcon:   No one,on record,has ever gotten through Magneto's shields.  He could possibly manipulate the particles in Manhunter's body,considering they are unstable.Hell,he could possibly manipulate Oan Energy.
Martian can manipulate his own body better then Magneto could ever.  Also if you read X-men 113, Magneto was getting rocked by a bunch of rookie X-men and couldn't even harm Omerta because he was too durable for Magneto to manipulate, not compare that to someone who can increase their durability to Superman's level.  Magneto would get one shotted.  I doubt that since you need a high amount of willpower to manipulate Oan energy, and Stewart has that in spades compared to Magneto.  He's the weak link in this fight. 


 
Show me one other time this ever happened in another comic.
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#14  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon
@MarvelJackAss433 said:

@Cosmic_Falcon: Magneto willed through the holocaust.
 
He is in no way a weak link.
 

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@MarvelJackAss433 said:

@Cosmic_Falcon:   No one,on record,has ever gotten through Magneto's shields.  He could possibly manipulate the particles in Manhunter's body,considering they are unstable.Hell,he could possibly manipulate Oan Energy.
Martian can manipulate his own body better then Magneto could ever.  Also if you read X-men 113, Magneto was getting rocked by a bunch of rookie X-men and couldn't even harm Omerta because he was too durable for Magneto to manipulate, not compare that to someone who can increase their durability to Superman's level.  Magneto would get one shotted.  I doubt that since you need a high amount of willpower to manipulate Oan energy, and Stewart has that in spades compared to Magneto.  He's the weak link in this fight. 
 Show me one other time this ever happened in another comic.
WTF? Because he survived the holocaust that makes him a credible threat here?   Magneto didn't survive the it on willpower alone.
Magneto being far less powerful then the other characters here make him the weak link.
 
I don't have to show this ever happening in another comic because Magneto has never damaged a character with durability higher then Omerta.  That same fight ended with Wolverine stabbing him in the gut.  
You obviously like the character and that's fine, but he wouldn't survive more then 10 seconds against Stewart or the Martian.  The only chance of not getting completely wrecked in this fight that he has is to hide behind Surfer while he does all the work. 
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#15  Edited By MarvelJackAss433
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 I said that to show Magneto has great willpower himself.
 
He is not far less powerful than anyone here.Your just not accepting legitimate feats.
I do not like Magneto any more than I like any other character.
So the Hulk and Silver Surfer are below Omerta in durability.Yea,sure.
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#16  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon
@MarvelJackAss433 said:
@Cosmic_Falcon:   I said that to show Magneto has great willpower himself.  He is not far less powerful than anyone here.Your just not accepting legitimate feats. I do not like Magneto any more than I like any other character.So the Hulk and Silver Surfer are below Omerta in durability.Yea,sure.
That isn't great willpower, Magneto had no choice but to survive the holocaust or die, if you actually read Magneto Testament you can see how he survived the holcaust.
What legitimate feats?  You tried passing off bullcrap like Galactus being unable to breach his shields which I had to correct btw, then you bring mediocre feats like Magneto lifting large masses of land when Steward and Martian can move planets and celestial bodies.  Here's another interesting fact, in the 90's X-men volume, Magneto was shown to barely be able to deflect a nuclear warhead, it strained his abilities.  Another interesting fact, Magneto needs a device to amp his powers when he tries to do something on a planetary scale.  
I never said you like him more then any other character, I said you like him in general, but it doesn't change the fact that he is the weakest link and is far less powerful then anyone in this fight.
 
No but I don't recall Magneto ever damaging the Hulk or Surfer before. 
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#17  Edited By TrueIlluminatus

Surfer solos with ease.

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#18  Edited By MarvelJackAss433
@Cosmic_Falcon
 
You still haven't acknowledged how the team are going  to get through the shield.
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#19  Edited By daak1212

Team 1

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#20  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon
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@Cosmic_Falcon:   You still haven't acknowledged how the team are going  to get through the shield.
Simple, Martian can phase through them, or just shatter them with a single hit.  Stewart can destroy them with a planet busting attack.  90's Xmen showed that Magneto's shields are not very strong. 
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#21  Edited By MarvelJackAss433
@Cosmic_Falcon: Magneto has changed a great deal since the 90's............
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#22  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon
@MarvelJackAss433 said:
@Cosmic_Falcon: Magneto has changed a great deal since the 90's............
Prove that his powers have grown drastically since the 90's because last time I saw him, he put himself in a coma trying to pull Kitty Pryde from outerspace.
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#23  Edited By MarvelJackAss433
@Cosmic_Falcon
 
I don't need to prove it to you.This debate is pointless.
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#24  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon
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@Cosmic_Falcon:   I don't need to prove it to you.This debate is pointless.
You do need to prove it because you're the one who said that he changed a great deal, don't make such absurd remarks if you can't back them up.
It's pointless because you can't bring a solid defense to back Magneto up. 
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#25  Edited By MarvelJackAss433
@Cosmic_Falcon: The fact that no one has ever gotten through his shields besides one encounter that is more than likely PIS.
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#26  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon
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@Cosmic_Falcon: The fact that no one has ever gotten through his shields besides one encounter that is more than likely PIS.
Thor has broken his shields, so has Cyclops. 
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#27  Edited By MarvelJackAss433
@Cosmic_Falcon: Thor didn't break his shield,he manipulated the energies that fuel it.Neither GL or Manhunter can do this.
 
How many times has cyclops broken magneto's shields?
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#28  Edited By Cosmic_Falcon
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@Cosmic_Falcon: Thor didn't break his shield,he manipulated the energies that fuel it.Neither GL or Manhunter can do this.  How many times has cyclops broken magneto's shields?
Thor HAS broken through his shields before (in their first one on one fight I believe) and controlling Electro Magnetism is something a GL can easily do.  
Cyclops has broken through his shields at least twice in the 90's X-men run.  Possibly more according to Gambler.  
Martian doesn't have to do this anyway, a single punch would crack Magneto's shields like an egg, or he could just phase through them all together. 
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#29  Edited By supermandefender
@Illuminatus:  no Surfer cant solo this with ease. MM is more than enough to give Surfer a tough fight. MM has broke the Spectres mind. If MM really wanted to he would break Surfers mind no question. Surfers psi powers are no match for MM's. It will be tough. GL (john) should be enough to beat Mageneto but Mag can hang int there and put up a tough fight. Im not sure if GL's Ring is made out of any metal if it is John is in trouble because Mag. can just force it off him. But I dunno? 
 
anyway I think team 1 wins but its not going to be easy. I def. dont htink Surfer can solo this....if anything Magneto should be able to stall GL (John) long enough for Surfer to be able to defeat MM. But barely. Really this fight can go either way. To me it all depends on who wins between MM and Surfer. If Magneto cant hold GL off tho and GL and MM team up on Surfer then they win for sure. 
 
Id give it to Magneto and Surfer still 6/10 at best.
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#30  Edited By Evil-Incarnate

If team one wins it's only due to Surfer IMO.

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#31  Edited By SilverGalford
@MarvelJackAss433 said:

@SilverGalford: How does Mags die?

the combined power of these  two DC characters , john and martian would kill mag , but silver sulfer can protect mag and beat them in a decent fight. but if the mindrape that spectre suffered by martian man hunter is true . then it's not going to be an easy fight.
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#32  Edited By Remoness
@SilverGalford said:
@MarvelJackAss433 said:

@SilverGalford: How does Mags die?

the combined power of these  two DC characters , john and martian would kill mag , but silver sulfer can protect mag and beat them in a decent fight. but if the mindrape that spectre suffered by martian man hunter is true . then it's not going to be an easy fight.
Your forgetting Mag's shield and  his helmet.He is immune to telepathy.
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#33  Edited By SilverGalford

Your forgetting Mag's shield and  his helmet.He is immune to telepathy. 


martian man hunter wouldn't have any trouble.
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#34  Edited By TheCerealKillz

Team 2. 
 
Magneto's useless

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#35  Edited By TheGoldenOne
Team 1
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#36  Edited By czarny_samael666
@Nefarious said:
The Silver Surfer solos.
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#37  Edited By Thor's hammmer

Surfer solos. but mags isn't useless.
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Team 1
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#39  Edited By Japeto
@Cosmic_Falcon said:
@MarvelJackAss433 said:
@SilverGalford: How does Mags die?
He's by far the weakest in this fight.  He shouldn't even be here.  But Surfer solos. 
I think Magneto could mess with Stewart's mind. Couldnt he? 
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#40  Edited By Pharoh_Atem
@TheCerealKillz said:
Team 2.  Magneto's useless
agreed.
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#41  Edited By Japeto
@dccomicsrule2011 said:
@TheCerealKillz said:
Team 2.  Magneto's useless
agreed.
Useless? How? I mean Stewart has a brain and Magneto could mess with it I guess Martian Hunter has a brain too. So?
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#42  Edited By andre54

the dr. polaris knock-off dies in the first couple of minutes, then, after a lengthy battle, silver surfer overpowers the green lantern's constructs and takes him out then he focuses more on j'onn who goes down not too long afterwards.

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#43  Edited By TheThe
@dccomicsrule2011 said:
@TheCerealKillz said:
Team 2.  Magneto's useless
agreed.
Same here.
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#44  Edited By Japeto
@TheThe said:
@dccomicsrule2011 said:
@TheCerealKillz said:
Team 2.  Magneto's useless
agreed.
Same here.
Again, why? I mean Martian Hunter is a Martian I know, I dont know if Magneto could mess with his brain but John Stewart is a human, as far as I know so I dont why Magneto couldn't do it. There's must be an explanation but you keep saying the same and don't say why. 
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#45  Edited By Spidermayne

Surfer Solos... and yes surviving the Holocaust would take willpower.

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#46  Edited By MutenRoshi
@MarvelJackAss433 said:
@SilverGalford: How does Mags die?
Magneto doesn't have speed feats to match John or the Martian, he would spend most of his time trying to magnetic shield himself and keep them out.  
Both of these guys are powerful enough to bust him up   
 

 

  
Silver Surfer on the other hand is a real test for them
Surfer has insane speed feats, durability, matter to energy conversion etc etc 
 
 
 If he's bloodlusted he could possibly challenge two top tiers at once 
 
 
  
 


 
 
 
  


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#47  Edited By Dark Cloud™

After a short, but brutal battle, Surfer and Mags take the fight.

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#48  Edited By sa5m

Team 1 I believe =)

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#49  Edited By Stompa

Does GL have super speed? I don´t think so and if he does not have it i think one thought of magneto would be enough to affect the iron in Stewarts body to stop him while protecting himself with a shield. I don´t think he can do anything angainst MM but SS would take care of him.

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Team 2 wins.