Fight is on Earth,if it matters.
Silver Surfer and Magneto vs John Stewart and Martian Manhunter
@SilverGalford: How does Mags die?He's by far the weakest in this fight. He shouldn't even be here. But Surfer solos.
@Cosmic_Falcon: Galactus was unable to penetrate his shields,he lifted a huge mass of the earth into space with his mind and killed a reality warper.Galactus never tried penetrating his shields, he gave Xavier and Magneto a warning shot, he wasn't trying to kill them. Also Galactus was starving when this happened.
Lifting a huge mass of land isn't an impressive feat, John Stewart and Martian Manhunter can move entire celestial bodies and at one point, 1/3 of the entire planet.
No one,on record,has ever gotten through Magneto's shields.
He could possibly manipulate the particles in Manhunter's body,considering they are unstable.Hell,he could possibly manipulate Oan Energy.
@Cosmic_Falcon: No one,on record,has ever gotten through Magneto's shields. He could possibly manipulate the particles in Manhunter's body,considering they are unstable.Hell,he could possibly manipulate Oan Energy.Martian can manipulate his own body better then Magneto could ever. Also if you read X-men 113, Magneto was getting rocked by a bunch of rookie X-men and couldn't even harm Omerta because he was too durable for Magneto to manipulate, not compare that to someone who can increase their durability to Superman's level. Magneto would get one shotted.
I doubt that since you need a high amount of willpower to manipulate Oan energy, and Stewart has that in spades compared to Magneto.
He's the weak link in this fight.
He is in no way a weak link.
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@MarvelJackAss433 said:
@Cosmic_Falcon: No one,on record,has ever gotten through Magneto's shields. He could possibly manipulate the particles in Manhunter's body,considering they are unstable.Hell,he could possibly manipulate Oan Energy.Martian can manipulate his own body better then Magneto could ever. Also if you read X-men 113, Magneto was getting rocked by a bunch of rookie X-men and couldn't even harm Omerta because he was too durable for Magneto to manipulate, not compare that to someone who can increase their durability to Superman's level. Magneto would get one shotted. I doubt that since you need a high amount of willpower to manipulate Oan energy, and Stewart has that in spades compared to Magneto. He's the weak link in this fight.
Show me one other time this ever happened in another comic.
WTF? Because he survived the holocaust that makes him a credible threat here? Magneto didn't survive the it on willpower alone.@Cosmic_Falcon: Magneto willed through the holocaust.
He is in no way a weak link.
@Cosmic_Falcon
said:Show me one other time this ever happened in another comic.@MarvelJackAss433 said:
@Cosmic_Falcon: No one,on record,has ever gotten through Magneto's shields. He could possibly manipulate the particles in Manhunter's body,considering they are unstable.Hell,he could possibly manipulate Oan Energy.Martian can manipulate his own body better then Magneto could ever. Also if you read X-men 113, Magneto was getting rocked by a bunch of rookie X-men and couldn't even harm Omerta because he was too durable for Magneto to manipulate, not compare that to someone who can increase their durability to Superman's level. Magneto would get one shotted. I doubt that since you need a high amount of willpower to manipulate Oan energy, and Stewart has that in spades compared to Magneto. He's the weak link in this fight.
Magneto being far less powerful then the other characters here make him the weak link.
I don't have to show this ever happening in another comic because Magneto has never damaged a character with durability higher then Omerta. That same fight ended with Wolverine stabbing him in the gut.
You obviously like the character and that's fine, but he wouldn't survive more then 10 seconds against Stewart or the Martian. The only chance of not getting completely wrecked in this fight that he has is to hide behind Surfer while he does all the work.
I said that to show Magneto has great willpower himself.
He is not far less powerful than anyone here.Your just not accepting legitimate feats.
I do not like Magneto any more than I like any other character.
So the Hulk and Silver Surfer are below Omerta in durability.Yea,sure.
@Cosmic_Falcon: I said that to show Magneto has great willpower himself. He is not far less powerful than anyone here.Your just not accepting legitimate feats. I do not like Magneto any more than I like any other character.So the Hulk and Silver Surfer are below Omerta in durability.Yea,sure.That isn't great willpower, Magneto had no choice but to survive the holocaust or die, if you actually read Magneto Testament you can see how he survived the holcaust.
What legitimate feats? You tried passing off bullcrap like Galactus being unable to breach his shields which I had to correct btw, then you bring mediocre feats like Magneto lifting large masses of land when Steward and Martian can move planets and celestial bodies. Here's another interesting fact, in the 90's X-men volume, Magneto was shown to barely be able to deflect a nuclear warhead, it strained his abilities. Another interesting fact, Magneto needs a device to amp his powers when he tries to do something on a planetary scale.
I never said you like him more then any other character, I said you like him in general, but it doesn't change the fact that he is the weakest link and is far less powerful then anyone in this fight.
No but I don't recall Magneto ever damaging the Hulk or Surfer before.
@Cosmic_Falcon: You still haven't acknowledged how the team are going to get through the shield.Simple, Martian can phase through them, or just shatter them with a single hit. Stewart can destroy them with a planet busting attack. 90's Xmen showed that Magneto's shields are not very strong.
@Cosmic_Falcon: Magneto has changed a great deal since the 90's............Prove that his powers have grown drastically since the 90's because last time I saw him, he put himself in a coma trying to pull Kitty Pryde from outerspace.
@Cosmic_Falcon: I don't need to prove it to you.This debate is pointless.You do need to prove it because you're the one who said that he changed a great deal, don't make such absurd remarks if you can't back them up.
It's pointless because you can't bring a solid defense to back Magneto up.
@Cosmic_Falcon: The fact that no one has ever gotten through his shields besides one encounter that is more than likely PIS.Thor has broken his shields, so has Cyclops.
How many times has cyclops broken magneto's shields?
@Cosmic_Falcon: Thor didn't break his shield,he manipulated the energies that fuel it.Neither GL or Manhunter can do this. How many times has cyclops broken magneto's shields?Thor HAS broken through his shields before (in their first one on one fight I believe) and controlling Electro Magnetism is something a GL can easily do.
Cyclops has broken through his shields at least twice in the 90's X-men run. Possibly more according to Gambler.
Martian doesn't have to do this anyway, a single punch would crack Magneto's shields like an egg, or he could just phase through them all together.
anyway I think team 1 wins but its not going to be easy. I def. dont htink Surfer can solo this....if anything Magneto should be able to stall GL (John) long enough for Surfer to be able to defeat MM. But barely. Really this fight can go either way. To me it all depends on who wins between MM and Surfer. If Magneto cant hold GL off tho and GL and MM team up on Surfer then they win for sure.
Id give it to Magneto and Surfer still 6/10 at best.
the combined power of these two DC characters , john and martian would kill mag , but silver sulfer can protect mag and beat them in a decent fight. but if the mindrape that spectre suffered by martian man hunter is true . then it's not going to be an easy fight.@SilverGalford: How does Mags die?
@MarvelJackAss433 said:Your forgetting Mag's shield and his helmet.He is immune to telepathy.the combined power of these two DC characters , john and martian would kill mag , but silver sulfer can protect mag and beat them in a decent fight. but if the mindrape that spectre suffered by martian man hunter is true . then it's not going to be an easy fight.@SilverGalford: How does Mags die?
Your forgetting Mag's shield and his helmet.He is immune to telepathy.
martian man hunter wouldn't have any trouble.
@dccomicsrule2011 said:Again, why? I mean Martian Hunter is a Martian I know, I dont know if Magneto could mess with his brain but John Stewart is a human, as far as I know so I dont why Magneto couldn't do it. There's must be an explanation but you keep saying the same and don't say why.@TheCerealKillz said:Same here.Team 2. Magneto's uselessagreed.
@SilverGalford: How does Mags die?Magneto doesn't have speed feats to match John or the Martian, he would spend most of his time trying to magnetic shield himself and keep them out.
Both of these guys are powerful enough to bust him up
Silver Surfer on the other hand is a real test for them
Surfer has insane speed feats, durability, matter to energy conversion etc etc
If he's bloodlusted he could possibly challenge two top tiers at once
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Does GL have super speed? I don´t think so and if he does not have it i think one thought of magneto would be enough to affect the iron in Stewarts body to stop him while protecting himself with a shield. I don´t think he can do anything angainst MM but SS would take care of him.
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