Silver Age Superman vs Necro Thor

• Silver Age Superman comes with The Sword of Superman.
• Necro Thor comes with The Destroyer Armor + Necro Sword.

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Pretty sure Silver age superman stomps

Silver Age Superman is extremely vulnerable to Magic. There is a chance Thor could pull off a time stop or attack Superman mentally.

Because Thor is superior to Odin with the Odin Force, the options available should endless at this point, that and Thor is wielding a Sword capable of defeating Galactus (Well Fed).

So we've got a version of Thor who is at the Cosmic Level with some awesome Magic abilities fighting SA Superman, whose probably stronger but has a severe weakness to Magic.

Superman sneezes him away. Only plot can stop him.

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Since when is SA Superman vulnerable to magic? I a huge Thor fan but there is nothing Necro Thor can do against SA Superman. Though SA Superman will have a trouble knocking about King Thor.

NKT stomps SA Supes. Most people put SA Supes at or below Skyfather level and NKT is like 2-3 steps above Skyfather at least. It would take a galaxy busting type attack to even phase him most likely and his hits can lay low mid tier cosmics with one shot. So ya, even SA Supes dies horrifically. Two hits or less or one instant god blast = dead Supes.

@pr0d1gy: Here's a description of him from superman vs Galactus that I found interesting

. "Taking a body that has mass from below the speed of light to the speed of light, without cheating by piddling with physical law ala Silver Surfer and other Galactus creations, requires literally infinite energy. Superman is said, in the King Cosmos Superman annuals, to accomplish the feat by "sheer muscle and sinew." This shows he has, in his best showings, infinite physical strength. This is sort of like Flash's infinite mass punch, but on steroids - Flash nears light speed and his mass approaches infinity, but in order to get to light speed or beyond he taps the speed force and changes the rules of nature. Superman, pre-COIE, does it by being strong enough to bully the laws of nature.

While he lacks the flexibility of the 'reality alterers' and abstracts so highly regarded on this board, in raw power he is by far their superior.

Galactus needs his heralds to find planets for him to eat without going into cosmic energy debt. If Superman were to go the planet eating route, he would, by super senses, immediately locate every world worth Super Snacking on, memorize their locations in an instant, and then be able to eat two on opposite sides of the universe, simultaneously, while saving space kittens on some other planet in order to salve his conscience.

Galactus' got his power from having the previous MU's phoenix force endow him, inside a space womb to change him, and protect him from the ravages of the big crunch. Silver/Bronze age Superman survived the big bang unaided, at point blank range.

The best of Galactus' heralds, Surfer, might have a millionth, not two percent, of Galactus' power, and could challenge current Superman. To Silver Age/Bronze Age Superman the difference between the strength, speed, intelligence, and power of the Silver Surfer and the Prankster or the Toyman would be negligible, not because Surfer is not, by MU standards, a beast - he is! - but because Superman, pre-Crisis on infinite earths, is just shy of God in a cape. The thought that Surfer, or Galactus, could bypass Superman's big-bang defying, Monitor-needs-a-plot-device to trump invulnerability is an error born of deeper familiarity with MU than with the pre-Crisis Kryptonian powerset.

The Anti-Monitor, infinitely more powerful than fully-fed Galactus, was only able to hurt Superman in COIE 7 because the anti-matter universe's physics messed with Superman's powers. The REAL reason he was able to hurt Superman was PIS, as Superman had previously travelled to the anti-matter universe and been fine.

Frankly, ANY comic with SA Superman that doesn't end with the antagonist defeated in the first panel of the first page is PIS.

Galactus is a powerful, cool character. He has a more flexible powerset than Superman, but lacks Superman's infinite physical power. His most powerful weapon, the Ultimate Nullifier, would no more hurt Superman than the big bang did. He can't evaporate or transmute or whatever Superman automatically because, since he is not kryptonite nor magic, he does not bypass Superman's invulnerability, which, as stated in COIE 7, Anti Monitor himself needed a plot device to get around.

Galan against any pre-Crisis Kryptonian level character is a spite thread. Streaky the Cat would kill Galactus in a femtosecond and then wrap his ship in space yarn. Galactus has a very broad powerset, but he can not hurt silver age Superman, and he can not take the big hit if Superman unloads on him with an infitely fast, infinitely hard super punch.

Of course, Galactus then just comes back with another M-body. But, Superman can dimension hop, and could destroy the universe that holds M-bodies just as easily as Superboy Prime could have destroyed DCNU by flying at exactly the speed of light - the 'through OA' part is just to decide what the next universe will look like, universe destruction - by flying at exactly light speed to generate an infinite-mass singularity - is nothing to a pre-COIE Kryptonian.

Pre-Crisis kryptonians are, in power level, simply too raw for anything in Marvel short of Thanos with THOTU, maybe, or a genius like Doom or Reed coming up with some super-scientific hack that could take out someone with less flexibility than pre-retcon beyonder, but raw power on the same, or greater, level. A fairer match would be Silver age Superman vs Thanos with THOTU, or vs TLT.

The only chance Galactus has in this battle is his immense scientific knowledge and intelligence. He can challenge Superman the way Brainiac or Luthor or Darkseid would challenge him, via tech (the notion btw that pre-COIE Darkseid ever did squat to silver or bronze age Superman is a myth, unless you want to count a battle under a red sun with the stolen power of artifacts, Mordru, and a controller propping up Darkseid.) And Galactus is at least, unlike other abstracts, full real, and can not be made to simply evaporate by Superman's flying through the marvel MU at superspeed using Super Hypnosis to order sentient beings to disbelieve in Order, Chaos, Judgement, or wtv."

Also he casually absorbed magic like a sponge

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/98379/2284985-worldsfinest21020.jpg

@skyroid:

"DC expanded the Kryptonite line to three varieties in Superman #157. Quex-Ul, a Phantom Zone Prisoner, is released and vows to get revenge on Superman for his imprisonment. He has observed Gold K taking away the powers of a Krytonian beast permanently, and knows it will do the same to Superman.

Of course, the problem with Gold K is that being permanent, DC could never use it on Superman, only threaten its use.

In addition to Kryptonite, we learned that Superman had another vulnerability: Magic. This required the return of a Golden Age villain, Mr Mxyzptlk (although in the GA he was known as Mxyztplk), who proceeded to appear with alarming regularity. Several other characters used magic to cause trouble for Superman as well:

We also learned that Superman lost his powers under the influence of a sun that was not yellow, like Earth's:"

That all came from a website which does nothing but blog about sa comics. SA Superman was weak to magic. Its how they allowed him to have stories where he wouldn't automatically win. He had to have weaknesses.

@spambot: So his weakness is gold kryptonite?

In the link I provided the can casually absorb monumental among of magic so I would really call it a weakness

It's a common fact that Silver Age Superman is vulnerable to Magic. He's had trouble with Magic wielders before and in this particular scenario he's facing someone with 10,000 years of Odin Force experience, which makes him stronger than Odin by default, having it been stated that he was. That is before we give him The Necro Sword that single shotted a well fed Galactus.

Even if Silver Age Superman's speed is an issue Thor can definitely find a way to counter it through Magic. Seeing as how Silver Age Superman has a weakness to Magic Thor's time stop would definitely come through and either stall him or freeze him entirely.

What if Silva Age Superman tries to speed blitz Thor? Well first he has to get through The Destroyer Armor. Here we see that all of the Skyfathers are nothing compared to The Celestials.

In this following scan we now see that The Destroyer Armor is capable of surviving Celestial level attacks and it took the combined might of the entire Fourth Host to destroy it.

Necro Thor will be wearing that particular Armor, so for him to pierce and destroy it he would need to be able to physically punch as hard as The Entire Fourth Host of The Celestials, which really doesn't seem likely.

As a final counter concerning the power of Necro Thor, I'll finish with proving that Necro Thor is capable of single shotting a well fed Galactus.

@skyroid: That same link also has a panel where Superman talks about the vine he grabbed saving his life(presumably from falling) which would seem to indicate he had been greatly depowered(possibly by magic). That one panel where he absorbs magical energy doesn't of itself prove he has no magical weakness. It just says he has some ability to absorb magical energy. You'd also need to give a comic reference to be sure that is SA Supes unless you are certain it is. Regardless though, one page by itself can often by taken out of context and its widely known he had magical weaknesses because it was a major plot device for his character.

@mrdevilOf course Silver Age Superman was weak to magic. It was a major plot point and there were many stories that revolved around it. Everybody knows that.

I think what it comes down to is can Superman punch his way through The Destroyer Armor before Thor does something with his magic abilities?

Necro-Thor.

That is probably what it comes down to and on that I am not sure of. I'd like to think even SA Superman wouldn't immediately speedblitz and use his most powerful punches on a character he knew nothing about, but I really don't know on that point. I also do not know exactly how powerful an attack would have to be to actually go through the Destroyer Armor.

SA Supes

I was hoping more people would provide some constructive arguments.

IDK i just know some feats of him but Necro Thor defeat Galactus who had done fest from the earth's energy. So he should be able to defeat him.

Necro thor has better feats so he wins

Thor superman may be 1 shoting solar systems by clapping but thats nothing on beating galan thor wins.

That sort of physical power would allow you to take his head clean off.

@dextersinister: Iam quite sure a skyfather amped to abstract level can take that.

SA Stomps...mismatch

Only if you think Silver Age Superman can physically punch a well fed Galactus to death.

Give this thread a read: http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/superman-silver-age-vs-galactus-376254/

Then come back here and check out Necro Thor's feat of single shotting a well fed Galactus, and let me know if it's still a mismatch.

SA Superman wins

SA superman is only vulnerable to plot

Necro Thor

Superman throws a midget out of his palm, readjusts his top-hat before punching people who matter, and resumes his pot of soup in front of the outhouse.

Mismatch.

Necro Thor.

Nacro Thor is strong but I think SAS will win because he is a plot device..and I think we all know what a plot device can do if he wants..

thor stomps silver age superman has lost to bricks like mongul and validus so he isn't unbeatable or even unversal

the lowball though. pre crisis mongul and validus were insanely powerfull. Aswell as it doesnt take away his broken feats. Mangul was still beaten by Superman, he even used black mercey because he couldnt defeat Supes.

Superman wins. Even big bang wasnt harming that superman let alone thor.

SA Superman

Necro Thor wins

Being serious and excluding toon-force feats, Thor stomps.

Including toon-force feats, The Man of PIS stomps