Silk Spectre vs Mother Russia

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Movie versions. To the death. Random encounter. Who wins?

No one?

My head says Silk Spectre...

Silk Spectre has better strength feats, whereas Mother Russia has better durability feats. Speed are probably the same.

I'd honestly give this to Silk Spectre. Mother Russia's hand-to-hand feats are rather limited; she did her best with weapons.

Silk Spectre kicks her a** from left to right lol

if movie hit girl could do it.... silk spectre will wax dat @$$ lol jk

but seriously.. silk spectre has the strength and skills to take her down

I actually thought Mother Russia's strength feats were more impressive than Silk Spectre. She tore a police car door right off its hinges and she kicked Hit-Girl what looked like 15 feet. In truth their strength are probably almost equal.

Actually movie Hit-Girl was getting dominated by Mother Russia until she took that adrenaline injection.

True regarding the car door; I forgot about that.

However, I think that Silk Spectre's ability to kick a fully grown man 15 feet is more impressive than kicking a 15 year old girl.

@willpayton: they were more impressive but im just saying SS is strong and skilled enough to be a problem

2. she was haha

That's why I'm saying that if I had to guess I'd say that they're about the same in strength. Ripping a car door off its hinges like that takes a lot of strength.

Mother Russia was superhuman, no doubt, she was able to toss a propane tank through a windshield, stop a rocking car with her foot, and rip a car door off with her bare hands.

Man, people really hate the KA2 universe, eh?

Seriously. I remember people dismissing Watchmen movie fighters as featless and weak, but people are saying SS is too STRONG for movie Mother Russia??

She ripped off a police cruiser door, stopped a rolling cruiser with her foot, and broke Colonel Stars and Stripes' hand with her face while the other bad guys watched. She killed 10 policemen. And she was winning against Hit-Girl who is impressive in her own right until she made the mistake of thinking the last resort was suicide.

Mother Russia has this until someone sways me with a very convincing argument.

SS.

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propane tank weights 30 pounds. What is superman about that?

the car wasn't even on. it blew up and started rolling. I can push my own car, does that make me superhuman?

And ripping a car door of the hinges isn't Superhuman either.

That's because they were so engrossed by the amazing story they didn't pay attention to the action.

How many car doors have you ripped off their hinges?

When I was a tween I once got one off of an old jalopy my great grandfather owned, granted I did it mostly by kicking.

Yes, because I can't do it means NO ONE can.

You realize people (with training) can deadlift in excess of 1000 pounds?

In extreme cases with adrenaline humans have lifted up 1-2 ton vehicles to help people trapped underneath.

There was case this year in Oregon, where two teenaged girls (16 and 14) lifted up a 3000 pound tractor that their dad was stuck under.

So no. That isn't a superhuman feat.

So you didnt just grab it with your hands and rip it off its hinges? What human do you think can actually do that?

Actually it is.

Because you say so?

No it isn't. You're woefully underestimating what human beings are capable of.

Speaking of my great grandfather; He probably could. Once, he changed a car wheel without a jack.

She is nowhere near superhuman. People tend to forget how she died, pieces of glass.

So, it isnt... because you say so?

I'm not underestimating anything. There's no human in the world who can do what Mother Russia did ripping off the door of that car.

You realize mma fighters and boxers can generate 1500+ pounds of force in a punch? You know what weights 1500 pounds? A hippo.

But I'm sure you've gone across every human in the world and seen them fail to rip one off, because that's the only way you could make such a statement.

I'm really impressed that you can push your car with one leg from the front.

*Dumbfounded*

Wuuh....No human in the world? You're saying out of 7 billion people, not a single one can rip this?

You don't think Andre The Giant coulda done that? You don't think Brian freaking Shaw could rip that like paper?

my brain is telling me spectre.... my... ahem, my other brain says:

mmm step on me mistresses

I'm sure the police use old junkers when they choose their vehicles...

Mother Russia didn't do that either. She stopped a barely moving car. You'd be generous if you said it moved 5 mph.

People have LIFTED up cars in extreme moments of adrenaline. Two teenage girls lifted a tractor off their dad this year in Oregon earlier this year.

I'm not trying to say she's a scrub or anything, but that isn't superhuman.

I wish it was the 17th already. I need to rewatch the rampage scene.

When a boxer hits something they're generating instantaneous force... which just means that force applied for a very small amount of time. In other words, it's a completely useless measurement for this situation. Go ahead, try to punch something made of solid steel... and tell me how it felt.

Ripping off a car door will require sustained force in a standing position. Even for the strongest man in the world who can lift 1,000 lbs, at best he might be able to generate around 300 lbs... since he wouldnt be able to apply all this arm strength against an immobile object like when bench pressing. So... 300 lbs... which is nothing compared to what you need to even bend steel.

http://www.custompartnet.com/calculator/v-bending-force

I plugged in some numbers (0.5" x 3" steel sheet with 60,000 psi tensile strength. Die opening 4"). For this single 1/2" piece of metal you need 15,000 lbs of force.

@sheenlantern said:

*Dumbfounded*

Wuuh....No human in the world? You're saying out of 7 billion people, not a single one can rip this?

You don't think Andre The Giant coulda done that? You don't think Brian freaking Shaw could rip that like paper?

You're crazy if you think a human can rip a solid piece of metal like that (much less several in a car door hinge) at all, much less "like paper".

I've tried researching and your best bet is to repeatedly wear down the hinges of an old car with the door open. It can be done, but are we this disenchanted that casually tearing off a police cruiser door with ease isn't impressive at all?

theres the internet for that.....

Yeah well I paid to see it four times in the theaters (my uncle and brother didn't want to see it with me and it only lasted 3 weeks) and want to own it on Blu-Ray.

This is CV, remember. I've seen people claim that Ozymandias didnt have superhuman strength, even though he easily picked up Rorschach off the ground by the leg and threw him 15 feet. And now we have people saying that a human can rip a police car door off its hinges like paper.

Ok, I resorted to YouTube but I'm still going to purchase it.

Do the NYPD not lock their doors? Cause it was closed when she opened it and ripped it off.

Why would cops lock the doors of cars when they're inside of them?

@willpayton said:

@fallschirmjager said:

You realize mma fighters and boxers can generate 1500+ pounds of force in a punch? You know what weights 1500 pounds? A hippo.

But I'm sure you've gone across every human in the world and seen them fail to rip one off, because that's the only way you could make such a statement.

When a boxer hits something they're generating instantaneous force... which just means that force applied for a very small amount of time. In other words, it's a completely useless measurement for this situation. Go ahead, try to punch something made of solid steel... and tell me how it felt.

Ripping off a car door will require sustained force in a standing position. Even for the strongest man in the world who can lift 1,000 lbs, at best he might be able to generate around 300 lbs... since he wouldnt be able to apply all this arm strength against an immobile object like when bench pressing. So... 300 lbs... which is nothing compared to what you need to even bend steel.

http://www.custompartnet.com/calculator/v-bending-force

I plugged in some numbers (0.5" x 3" steel sheet with 60,000 psi tensile strength. Die opening 4"). For this single 1/2" piece of metal you need 15,000 lbs of force.

@sheenlantern said:

*Dumbfounded*

Wuuh....No human in the world? You're saying out of 7 billion people, not a single one can rip this?

You don't think Andre The Giant coulda done that? You don't think Brian freaking Shaw could rip that like paper?

You're crazy if you think a human can rip a solid piece of metal like that (much less several in a car door hinge) at all, much less "like paper".

My mistake, looking back, the door hinge in the movie is actually far flimsier.

Hands in the air here. Icould have ripped that door off.

@willpayton: I figure the same reason it's standard that car doors lock after going 15 mph. And these guys were backing up so they were obviously spooked.

@sheenlantern said:

My mistake, looking back, the door hinge in the movie is actually far flimsier.

Hands in the air here. Icould have ripped that door off.

You're delusional. Even if that steel is only 1/4" thick, you'd still need something like 7,500 lbs of force to even bend it. To actually rip it off you'd have to apply that for several seconds. Even the best MMA fighter with a full-force kick might only be able to apply that for a fraction of a second.

It's choppy, but I think she ripped it off when it was locked. If so, she's clearly stronger than people give her credit for. If not, it's still downplayed like hell.

You think this is a quarter of an inch?

And you say I'm delusional.

There's only one way to settle this. We need someone to rip off a NYPD car door and tell us how difficult it was.

I agree. And again, tossing Hit-Girl is... meh. If memory serves, she picked her up and tossed her, now that I think about it.

Whereas Silk Spectre kicked a man - who was on the ground - and he flipped upside down in mid-air while traveling straight forward. That's more impressive than lifting an 80-pound girl.

Watchmen fighters are dismissed when they're compared to characters with better feats (which means the majority of comic characters). Kick-Ass characters are simply weaker than Watchmen characters, in every way.

She did do that, but she also kicked her 15 feet easy:

Movie version watchmen are above them. Comic version? Not at all. @silent_bomber: actually did a very good post about this here: http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/rorschach-and-nite-owl-ii-vs-kick-ass-and-hit-girl-1517146/

Kicking a fully grown man is a lot more impressive than kicking a girl... who is at punting height.

Silk Spectre's kick landed higher, and still generated greater force. SS's kick caused her opponent to flip in mid-air. Don't see Hit-Girl flipping.

I wonder: would you have thought it such a good point if his outcome favored Watchmen?

It's easy to claim you have a good argument when nobody else attempts to challenge it. And before you ask, no, I'm not going to, because I haven't read Before Watchmen and I am in no hurry to do so.

• Yes, if his posted favored watchmen, along with using proper feats. (too bad they don't have those)
• Why not read before watchmen? I have only read the Rorschach one though.

I fail to see why you automatically think Watchmen > Kick-Ass. Yes, you can have an opinion, yes, you can like that story more, but being honest feat and battle wise, Kick-ass wins. Not too mention you have openly said you hate kick-ass and that it sucks.