Shuma Gorath vs. White Phoenix of the Crown. - Battles

#1 Posted by Edamame (26194 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

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#2 Posted by CortSether (1821 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Please don't put one of my favorites in battles it cannot win.

You're going to make me look bad whenever I defend Shuma.

#3 Posted by SilverGalford (2930 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

lol!

#4 Posted by Edamame (26194 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@CortSether: ?????????

#5 Edited by VictoriaGrey_2010 (337 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Edamame:

The White Phoenix would win this fight, no questions asked. :P
Do you really need reasons why she would win, or can you just use your common sence? lol,

:P

#6 Posted by ssejllenrad (11539 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

I'm not a Marvel fan so i know I'll be corrected one way or another.

My vote goes to Shuma. While Phoenix is obviously multiversal, Shuma's beyond the Marvel multiverse ain't he?

#7 Posted by capall (8278 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

white phoenix should win but it won't be easy at all

#8 Posted by VictoriaGrey_2010 (337 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@capall:
Why wouldn't it be easy? Shuma is like a dam fish, lol, And the phoenix is one of the most feared creatures in the world, All phoenix would have to do is invade the mind, or just through it into space. :)

#9 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7907 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

WPOTC wins easily

#10 Posted by VictoriaGrey_2010 (337 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

I am not saying that Shuma is weak, I am just saying the Phoenix would win easily because of how powerful she is. :)

#11 Posted by capall (8278 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@VictoriaGrey_2010 said:

" I am not saying that Shuma is weak, I am just saying the Phoenix would win easily because of how powerful she is. :) "

by you calling shuma a fish is stating shuma is weak imo, mind elaborating why?

#12 Posted by Edamame (26194 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@capall: The Phoenix Force has been defeated by less powerful opponents. However, I am not saying that White Phoenix of the Crown can't win here.

#13 Posted by capall (8278 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Edamame:
i never said you said such, i just don't think this is a stomp like some viners think it is, thats all

#14 Posted by Edamame (26194 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@capall: I agree.

#15 Edited by VictoriaGrey_2010 (337 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Edamame:
@capall:

I apologize of the confusion, I did not mean to sound like a noob, nore did I mean to make Shuma sound weak, I should have chosen my word choice more carefully, and I will from now on. :)
I was just trying to get the point across that the Phoenix would make it look to easy, that is all, not that Shuma would be an easy creature to defeat against anyone, just against the White Phoenix.

#16 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Shuma Gorath wins easily.

*activates flame shields*

#17 Posted by CortSether (1821 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@Baldy said:

" Shuma Gorath wins easily. *activates flame shields* "

What case can you make for this?

Though I guess if one looks at things from a certain perspective one could make a case for that.

Example: People say it took Eternity and Dormammu combined to stop Zom. Apparently, Dormammu was first written to be close to Eternity's level because he could at least go toe-to-toe with him, but throughout the years he has been retconned. In Shuma-Gorath's arc, it was made clear that Dormammu was far inferior to Shuma-Gorath in power at a time when Dorm was still being written as being capable of hanging with Eternity. Therefore, since Shuma-Gorath is demonstrated to be superior to Dormammu by a great deal at a time when Dormammu was written to be so super powerful, that means Shuma should also be able to take care of Eternity.

:D See what I did there?

But really, why do you think Shuma wins?

#18 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9280 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

i respect Shuma-Gorath's power.. but i guess he is just way out of his league here.. WPOTC wins but Shuma-Gorath will surely give a good fight..

#19 Posted by TheJuggernautpunch (6134 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Oh yeah , the person who said it will take Sise-Neg to beat Shuma now says that he loses to WPOTC .

#20 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@CortSether said:

" @Baldy said:
" Shuma Gorath wins easily. *activates flame shields* "
What case can you make for this? Though I guess if one looks at things from a certain perspective one could make a case for that. Example: People say it took Eternity and Dormammu combined to stop Zom. Apparently, Dormammu was first written to be close to Eternity's level because he could at least go toe-to-toe with him, but throughout the years he has been retconned. In Shuma-Gorath's arc, it was made clear that Dormammu was far inferior to Shuma-Gorath in power at a time when Dorm was still being written as being capable of hanging with Eternity. Therefore, since Shuma-Gorath is demonstrated to be superior to Dormammu by a great deal at a time when Dormammu was written to be so super powerful, that means Shuma should also be able to take care of Eternity. :D See what I did there? But really, why do you think Shuma wins? "

I can't make a case at all, hence why I added "*activates flame shields*" to the end of my comment. I was being sarcastic.

We havn't really seen enough from WPOTC, but from what I've seen I'd have to say she takes it, though possibly only by sealing him away again. Her best feat is healing a universe which is beaten by Sise-Neg's feats and when he was almost at full power he admitted that he couldn't destroy Shuma.

#21 Posted by CortSether (1821 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@TheJuggernautpunch said:

" Oh yeah , the person who said it will take Sise-Neg to beat Shuma now says that he loses to WPOTC . "

What? Sise-Neg at full power was > WPOTC and he would definitely have defeated Shuma, but when he wasn't at the end of his journey (almost at the end of it, and as such freakishly powerful) he still had to rely on putting Shuma to sleep.

A full power WPOTC would defeat Shuma, but I agree with Baldy in that Shuma would either have to be sealed away OR it would just reform from its seeming destruction anyway.

Also, if you take into consideration that Shuma-Gorath exists in Dark Horse publishing and in a book or two out there then Shuma would have to be destroyed in all of those publishings for it to be truly dead.

#22 Posted by Goenitz (2064 posts) - 3 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@lord_oraculous016 said: " i respect Shuma-Gorath's power.. but i guess he is just way out of his league here.. WPOTC wins but Shuma-Gorath will surely give a good fight.. "I agree

#23 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - 3 years, 2 months ago - Show Bio

white phoenix will be able to put shuma to sleep.

#24 Posted by GREGalicious (433 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago - Show Bio

I think i read somewhere that SHUMA can be defeated by HIGH level MAGIC or the GREATEST cosmic entities (which PHOENIX is definitely a candidate) so i predict that Phoenix would win the battle 9 times out of 10.
It would be a wasted still considering i dont think that either can EVER TRULY DIE.

#25 Posted by Cypher's Gambit (2109 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago - Show Bio

@CortSether said:

Please don't put one of my favorites in battles it cannot win. You're going to make me look bad whenever I defend Shuma.

Shuma wins.

#26 Posted by randumo24 (4640 posts) - 1 year, 11 months ago - Show Bio

#27 Posted by Metalslash (178 posts) - 3 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@Edamame said:

@capall: The Phoenix Force has been defeated by less powerful opponents.

by mega PIS

#28 Posted by Metalslash (178 posts) - 3 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

WPOTC Murderstomps this one eyed ugly monster.

#29 Edited by Setherial (161 posts) - 3 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

Classic Doc Strange had to merge with a god, the dark energy of another god, magic potential from a sorceress, learn extensive black magic from a dark wizard, and obtain an evil item that let him absorb magic, all in preparation just to face Shuma-Gorath, and he still could only stalemate Shuma until he started to absorb Shuma's power when Shuma struck him.

The Force itself as well as its avatars have been shattered, BFR'd, etc by much less. Give me implied powers all you want, but from what we've actually seen, Shuma's a more worthy opponent and would wreck any version of Phoenix.