#1 Posted by CapitolPunishment (2303 posts) - - Show Bio

Shuma is well fed, he is just finishing up devouring the 616 marvel universe when he is confronted by Jean Grey, avatar of the Phoenix. Jean wants to set things right but first must kill Shuma Gorath. No bfr, battle to the death, who wins?

#2 Posted by doublezeroduck (98 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Shuma have X-23 and Magneto as assists? MvC3 anyone?

#3 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio
@doublezeroduck said:

Does Shuma have X-23 and Magneto as assists? MvC3 anyone?

lmao. depends on how well they use the team. rom magneto and corner them, and all it takes is just magneto. phoenix has a very low health bar and magneto's attacks will not give her anytime to build her bars at the maximum. 
#4 Posted by CapitolPunishment (2303 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Bastro said:
@doublezeroduck said:

Does Shuma have X-23 and Magneto as assists? MvC3 anyone?

lmao. depends on how well they use the team. rom magneto and corner them, and all it takes is just magneto. phoenix has a very low health bar and magneto's attacks will not give her anytime to build her bars at the maximum. 
Talking video games huh? Well Magneto beat the Phoenix in a comic with an EMP that shattered her into billions of pieces, they should use that as a finishing move in the game.
#5 Edited by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio
@CapitolPunishment said:

@Lance Bastro said:

@doublezeroduck said:

Does Shuma have X-23 and Magneto as assists? MvC3 anyone?

lmao. depends on how well they use the team. rom magneto and corner them, and all it takes is just magneto. phoenix has a very low health bar and magneto's attacks will not give her anytime to build her bars at the maximum. 
Talking video games huh? Well Magneto beat the Phoenix in a comic with an EMP that shattered her into billions of pieces, they should use that as a finishing move in the game.
hm... i didn't even recognize you without your rock on george bush icon. well, in the game, magneto has this black hole finishing move called gravitational squeeze lol. anyway, as for the thread battle...... shuma. unless phoenix could put it to sleep and push it out like sise-nig once did. either that or a stalemate because neither of them can die; magneto can.
#6 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio

on wait.... jean can die. but she'll just rise all over again. the phoenix force itself can't die. well... not the same way we think of death... it will just raise back from the ashes.

#7 Posted by Killemall (18252 posts) - - Show Bio

@CapitolPunishment said:

@Lance Bastro said:
@doublezeroduck said:

Does Shuma have X-23 and Magneto as assists? MvC3 anyone?

lmao. depends on how well they use the team. rom magneto and corner them, and all it takes is just magneto. phoenix has a very low health bar and magneto's attacks will not give her anytime to build her bars at the maximum.
Talking video games huh? Well Magneto beat the Phoenix in a comic with an EMP that shattered her into billions of pieces, they should use that as a finishing move in the game.

that would be a wicked finishing move. :)

@Lance Bastro said:

on wait.... jean can die. but she'll just rise all over again. the phoenix force itself can't die. well... not the same way we think of death... it will just raise back from the ashes.

Absolutely this, as long as PF is determined to win and Jean is not fighting with PF internally, she is unstoppable. specially with the current incarnation of white phoenix i see no reason why she should not win.

#8 Posted by Killemall (18252 posts) - - Show Bio

@doublezeroduck said:

Does Shuma have X-23 and Magneto as assists? MvC3 anyone?

Would that really help against seeming unlimited might of PF, i fail to see them making any difference.

No offense intended, i was just stating my opinion, please dont think otherwise.

#9 Posted by Prince CortSether (2301 posts) - - Show Bio

It's not like Shuma can die either. And the Phoenix Force may be a "Force" but it's very vulnerable. It's ben repeatedly buffered or shattered by things lower than Shuma-Gorath in power.

#10 Posted by Killemall (18252 posts) - - Show Bio

@Prince CortSether said:

It's not like Shuma can die either. And the Phoenix Force may be a "Force" but it's very vulnerable. It's ben repeatedly buffered or shattered by things lower than Shuma-Gorath in power.

Phoenix force itself has not been shattered, its avatars have. Its is only recently that Jean reached white phoenix and would have full access to the power, that does not by itself makes her stronger or more powerful than the phoenix force. Being the fire of creation, which is what PF has been described to be its power should be limitless. Seeing how Shuma becomes less powerful outside his relm, he most certainly doesnt have unlimited powers.

On a side note: when has it been stated that Shuma Gorath cannot be killed?

#11 Posted by Fire Star (3478 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix. Easily.

#12 Edited by Prince CortSether (2301 posts) - - Show Bio
@Killemall said:

@Prince CortSether said:

It's not like Shuma can die either. And the Phoenix Force may be a "Force" but it's very vulnerable. It's ben repeatedly buffered or shattered by things lower than Shuma-Gorath in power.

Phoenix force itself has not been shattered, its avatars have. Its is only recently that Jean reached white phoenix and would have full access to the power, that does not by itself makes her stronger or more powerful than the phoenix force. Being the fire of creation, which is what PF has been described to be its power should be limitless. Seeing how Shuma becomes less powerful outside his relm, he most certainly doesnt have unlimited powers.

On a side note: when has it been stated that Shuma Gorath cannot be killed?

 
In Shuma's official bio. And on panel most recently in Thanos Imperative.  

Regarding the Phoenix Force, the force itself got blown up by the Shiar. Not an avatar.
   

#13 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9282 posts) - - Show Bio

@Prince CortSether: yes.. the Shi'ar planned to destroy it.. but even them are not sure if such feat can truly be done.. some thing during the X-Men/Ultraforce crossover.. many have tried to destroy it in fear, but even them knows one thing, how can you kill LIFE itself? the PF may be shattered, killed, reconstitueted, but one thing is sure, as its name suggest, it will resurrect itself again and again, for the PF is also the force of resurrection..

#14 Edited by Prince CortSether (2301 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_oraculous016 said:

@Prince CortSether: yes.. the Shi'ar planned to destroy it.. but even them are not sure if such feat can truly be done.. some thing during the X-Men/Ultraforce crossover.. many have tried to destroy it in fear, but even them knows one thing, how can you kill LIFE itself? the PF may be shattered, killed, reconstitueted, but one thing is sure, as its name suggest, it will resurrect itself again and again, for the PF is also the force of resurrection..

I'm not saying the Force can be killed here. 
 
But in a battle between a Force and a demonic entity where both can reconstitute itself from seeming destruction, how does one win? 
 
Shuma-Gorath vs PF wouldn't exactly have a "winner" seeing as neither can die. But from the comic panels provided throughout the years, it seems to take significantly more effort to shatter the shell of Shuma-Gorath than it takes to shatter the corporeal form of the PF.
#15 Posted by tron_bonne (2286 posts) - - Show Bio

When battles between two forces like this happen, the battle has to be determine on who can contain and banish who 1st. Neither of this characters can "die" so a battle to the death is moot.

#16 Posted by Goenitz (2064 posts) - - Show Bio

Shuma Gorath

#17 Posted by TheSpiritStalker (2013 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lance Bastro said:

on wait.... jean can die. but she'll just rise all over again. the phoenix force itself can't die. well... not the same way we think of death... it will just raise back from the ashes.

couldn't he just weaken it and store the PF in his belly like a pokeball?

#18 Posted by Metalslash (178 posts) - - Show Bio

@CapitolPunishment said:

Shuma is well fed, he is just finishing up devouring the 616 marvel universe when he is confronted by Jean Grey, avatar of the Phoenix. Jean wants to set things right but first must kill Shuma Gorath. No bfr, battle to the death, who wins?

LOL nobody except writers can defeat any of phoenix's avatars in a battle to death. She can keep on resurrecting for ever and ever.

Anyways, even if it is not till death still Jean grey solos.