No Prep!
Shredder vs Batman
@tabascosauce: @carter_esque: how is this a stomp? shredder's a martial arts expert and is ruthless.
without prep all batman is is a skilled fighter with some gadgets.
i'm not saying shredder wins but it's definitely not a stomp.
@tabascosauce: @carter_esque: how is this a stomp? shredder's a martial arts expert and is ruthless.
without prep all batman is is a skilled fighter with some gadgets.
i'm not saying shredder wins but it's definitely not a stomp.
@cooldes: how does prep affect martial arts mastery? shredder gets beat regularly by turtles that don't even use their weapon batman has more and better feats then shredder so its not a instant stomp but a easy win
Shredder is 1 guy who usually beats 4 turtles. Don't give the feat to the turtles because you know Shredder stomps them until the PIS kicks in.
@cooldes: how does prep affect martial arts mastery? shredder gets beat regularly by turtles that don't even use their weapon batman has more and better feats then shredder so its not a instant stomp but a easy win
Shredder is 1 guy who usually beats 4 turtles. Don't give the feat to the turtles because you know Shredder stomps them until the PIS kicks in.
its not PIS and shredder isn't impressive at all and compared to batman a guy who has so many feats i can fill up to 10 pages of scans gonna get beat by some guy from a 90's cartoon wearing a cheese grater outfit? come on man it's extremely obvious who wins here
@tabascosauce: @carter_esque: How is this a stomp?
The turtles are all bullet timers, they are superhuman in nearly every aspect, and they are extremely well trained by someone who could also fight Batman on even ground. Yet Shredder stands up to all of them with mild difficulty, in an even match.
Any one of the turtles could give Batman a good fight, and all of them together would likely whoop him.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
@tabascosauce: @carter_esque: How is this a stomp?
The turtles are all bullet timers, they are superhuman in nearly every aspect, and they are extremely well trained by someone who could also fight Batman on even ground. Yet Shredder stands up to all of them with mild difficulty, in an even match.
Any one of the turtles could give Batman a good fight, and all of them together would likely whoop him.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
The only sensible answer I've seen in this thread.
@tabascosauce: Turtles are comic books characters too dude
@tabascosauce: Turtles are comic books characters too dude
do you see the comic version being used
yeah 4 turtles that are ninja masters and can each lift a ton and he usually beats all 4 of them it is usually splinter that beats him.
but batman still wins
@tabascosauce: Turtles are comic books characters too dude
do you see the comic version being used
On comicvine, we generally are to assume the comic versions are being used, unless stated otherwise.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
yeah 4 turtles that are ninja masters and can each lift a ton and he usually beats all 4 of them it is usually splinter that beats him.
1.batman is a ninja master too
2.strength doesn't matter in a fight like this
3.the turtles are impressive at all either
@tabascosauce: Turtles are comic books characters too dude
do you see the comic version being used
On comicvine, we generally are to assume the comic versions are being used, unless stated otherwise.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
alright alright if you show me some decent feats for shredder ill reconsider my choice
@tabascosauce: You'd have to ask someone like @lvenger for TMNT feats. I only read the kids comics back in the day, but I know they have much better feats. I've seen them in more than a few comicvine battles, as well as Shredder actually.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
I said batman would win I am just saying don't take shredder lightly.
i am sure shredder is a beast in the comics but i haven't seen anything noteworthy in the comics to say he takes a win over bats
Shredder is a beast,,he's being very underestimated here,,I can't post scans on an iPad but shredder holds his own quite often against all four turtles at once,,and honestly even batman would have his hands full,,this would be a very VERY close fight..batmans gadgets give him an edge though so I might take him but if this were just h2h I might choose differently
@tabascosauce: You'd have to ask someone like @lvenger for TMNT feats. I only read the kids comics back in the day, but I know they have much better feats. I've seen them in more than a few comicvine battles, as well as Shredder actually.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
You called Floopay? :P I'm afraid I'm only familiar with the IDW Turtles and Shredder's feats so it depends on which version is being used.
Anyway, since I was called, I do have to say that Batman takes this. Even though TMNT writer Tom Waltz generously put Splinter on Batman's level during one of Gregg's Does Batman always win? articles, I have to give the skill edge to Batman. He has mastered all 127 main forms of combat and utilises an effective style that blends them all together. If pure skill doesn't do it, his belt contains way more variety than what Shredder uses. And he's more heavily armoured if Shredder tries to stab him. It might take a while but Shredder's more likely to go down than Batman really.
Man, this thread makes me sad at pepole low balling Shredder and the TMNT's
Are you saying that Shredder will win or you are just disappointed that people are underestimating Shredder so much?
Man, this thread makes me sad at pepole low balling Shredder and the TMNT's
Are you saying that Shredder will win or you are just disappointed that people are underestimating Shredder so much?
Oh no Batman wins, he's to versatile and has to many feats on record not to win but it's not easy and it's definitely not a stomp. Maybe haveing both characters stripped of all there assets and throw down mano-a-mano in an abandoned dojo in nothing more than a pair of gi's would be a better fight
@jonny_anonymous: How is it easy? Batman has the physicals over Shredder, and he also has the skill. It is an easy win.
@thebourneposter: And you know this because you have a high working knowledge of Shredders skills and feats or.... because you just like Batman more?
@jonny_anonymous: Provide me some Shredder feats please. I want to see him dodging bullets, kicking down steel doors, and taking people like Shiva and Prometheus in h2h.
@thebourneposter: I don't have scans like that but I can find scans of Shredder soloing four super human bullet timers with a 1 ton strength level
@jonny_anonymous: The Turtles can not lift one ton, and are not bullet timers. If you have scans to prove me wrong, good for you. If not, well....
Man, this thread makes me sad at pepole low balling Shredder and the TMNT's
Are you saying that Shredder will win or you are just disappointed that people are underestimating Shredder so much?
Oh no Batman wins, he's to versatile and has to many feats on record not to win but it's not easy and it's definitely not a stomp. Maybe haveing both characters stripped of all there assets and throw down mano-a-mano in an abandoned dojo in nothing more than a pair of gi's would be a better fight
This would indeed be a great battle and I,too,can't see Batman winning in a stomp.But all of the tech he has and everything else gives him an edge in the battle and that will be everything he needs for the win.
@thebourneposter: and Shredder can beat Splinter one on one who can in turn solo the Turtles
@jonny_anonymous: Man this puts my Turtle knowledge to shame. I only started on issue 13 which is where the bullet dodging scan is from. If I may though, Shredder only beat a weakened Splinter who had just fought off a large Foot Soldier, a bunch of fodder Foot and Alopex, a skilled Foot Ninja mutant with enhanced stats. I was catching up on my TMNT synopses recently and I remembered that Splinter had just fought all those guys off before fighting Shredder. So Shredder beat a tired Splinter who had used most of his stamina on the other guys. I'm not sure who'd win in a proper fight but I'd say Splinter due to his greater discipline. Great scans though.
TMNT artist Mateus Salacunto has stated that Splinter is on Batman's level of fighting skill. Shredder holds his own against Splinter regularly. He can take on Batman.
TMNT artist Mateus Salacunto has stated that Splinter is on Batman's level of fighting skill. Shredder holds his own against Splinter regularly. He can take on Batman.
I thought that was too generous an estimation. Splinter has been shown as using several different martial art styles but not as many as Batman. Plus he doesn't have the level of feats Batman does. It'd be a good fight though if Batman took on either of them.
I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 time. - Bruce Lee.
It's how many fighting styles you know. It's how you implement them into an efficient fighting system. Splinter is an example of that. I think it's pretty reasonable to say he's an equal to Batman.
@wolverine08: Yes someone's used that quote on me before. Batman's not too shabby at implementing what he's learnt into an effective martial arts style along with beating far better foes than Splinter. I wouldn't rank Batman and Splinter on the same level myself.
Batman.
TMNT artist Mateus Salacunto has stated that Splinter is on Batman's level of fighting skill. Shredder holds his own against Splinter regularly. He can take on Batman.
His name is Santolouco, not Salacunto; and considering he's never written Batman before I don't see how his claim has any credence.
@lvenger: Batman is a master at using his fightning styles in a efficient system. All I'm saying is that Splinter does too, and he has more fighting experience than Batman. But I would label them as equal. Splinter would lose a fight to Batman though, due to his weak physicals.
@jonny_anonymous: Man this puts my Turtle knowledge to shame. I only started on issue 13 which is where the bullet dodging scan is from. If I may though, Shredder only beat a weakened Splinter who had just fought off a large Foot Soldier, a bunch of fodder Foot and Alopex, a skilled Foot Ninja mutant with enhanced stats. I was catching up on my TMNT synopses recently and I remembered that Splinter had just fought all those guys off before fighting Shredder. So Shredder beat a tired Splinter who had used most of his stamina on the other guys. I'm not sure who'd win in a proper fight but I'd say Splinter due to his greater discipline. Great scans though.
This is true Splinter had been put through the ringer already and when they went one on one again it seemed more even but they where interrupted.
Also not to mention Shredder is the Dragon Warrior and effectively immortal so I take it this fight is to the KO?
Anyway you guys are distracting me, I need to go for a shower :-P
@wolverine08: Splinter's mutated though. Doesn't that mean he has enhanced stats too like the Turtles do?
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